[VS] Sasuke vs Naruto

[ARGUS]

they are both equal, i think the manga made it pretty clear,
one could say that naruto didnt use his full arsenal such as BRS and BDRS barrages, but the same could be said for sasuke, as he didnt use his rinnegan based techniques to the full extents either,

not to mention that once sasuke manifested his PS with the bijuus, it had surpassed everything in narutos arsenal, until he himself gained a new avatar and absorbed a heck load of nature energy, and their strongest techniques clearly cancelled each other out

so either way, they're equal no matter how you look at it

 

[RustledJimmies]

He didn't use this [

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] It's clear which one is the strongest attack

Yet the former's explosion wasn't nowhere near the latter's. Go back to wanking Minardo and Kakashi, that's the only thing you're good at, Boggie.

 

[Transcendence]

I don't see the basis of this. Only because he didn't use their powers does not mean their powers were unavailable to him. Sasuke didn't use PS encoated with PS, does that mean it was unavailable to him? No. Sasuke didn't use Rinneswap, Shinra Tensei, Soul rip or chakra rods, does that mean all of these where unavailable to him? Nope. Naruto's cloak clearly increased in size, and it didn't happen randomly, so one can assume the other Bijuu's chakras are within his avatar as well in the form of Kurama's shroud.

And @bold. What? Naruto and Sasuke's PS were definitely equal, otherwise Naruto's shroud wouldn't have lost its tail. Sasuke lost his sword (I believe), so they were equal then as well. Naruto's prior avatar wasn't even comparable to Sasuke's Biju PS, not the slightest. It was being obliterated by TBB detonations via Raiton projectiles, whereas Sasuke was laughing at those bombs are solo'ing 3 avatars while doing so. Unless I am misunderstanding here, since your parenthesis placement may have been misconstrued by me.

And I disagree, that was Naruto's full power, even if he had used KKG's that he didn't utilise canonically, Sasuke could still have tanked them or ploughed through them with Indra's arrow, since Indra's arrow=Naruto's excess Nature energy attack, which is his strongest attack to this point. Not to mention that Chou Shinra Tensei would also have a high likelihood of countering them, given a regular ST was able to repel a regular FRS, and that was from a transplanted Rinnegan without its user wielding a potent chakra, but rather knocking on death's door.

@First Bold -> Naruto's Avatar's durability renders those pretty useless and or ineffective (I mean his Ashura Avatar, not his normal Kurama Avatar). The entirety of the fight (besides when they were both exhausted out of chakra and fighting with Taijutsu) was done using chakra avatars (PS and AA) so chakra rods are a negligible ability and Human Path's soul rip will never be effective (unless Sasuke can use it through Susano'o but I doubt that).

@Second Bold -> I wasn't talking about Naruto's Kurama Avatar Shroud. That was scaled to Sasuke's prior PS. It was getting absolutely destroyed by Sasuke's Bijuu enhanced PS (Case in point, 3 clones of it were getting stomped by Sasuke's Bijuu PS). I was talking about Naruto's Ashura Avatar that was clearly scaled to Sasuke's Bijuu PS. Nothing really suggests he can't use it with or without the Bijuu, as they were clearly made purely of Kurama clones merging.

@Third Bold -> I'm talking about the entire fight as a whole. The versatility of the Bijuu KKG would have given Naruto an edge in many areas of the battle, plus, assuming there was a restriction on the Bijuu's powers, Naruto wasn't able to use the 9 Bijuu Rasenshuriken which would have been a powerful technique available to him during the fight.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The beasts might have made this a more noticeable win in one corner, but I fail to see what 9 TSB's would have done to something scaled to such a high tier as Sasuke's PS.

Harogomo's sword. Since its based on will and Naruto's will is unbreakable. It should be held at a higher standard than all of sasuke's attacks.
Then there's the fact that Sasuke can't out range all 9 tsbfrs which should stronger than the 2 used to match indra's arrow.

 

[Bogard]

they are both equal, i think the manga made it pretty clear,
one could say that naruto didnt use his full arsenal such as BRS and BDRS barrages, but the same could be said for sasuke, as he didnt use his rinnegan based techniques to the full extents either,

not to mention that once sasuke manifested his PS with the bijuus, it had surpassed everything in narutos arsenal, until he himself gained a new avatar and absorbed a heck load of nature energy, and their strongest techniques clearly cancelled each other out

so either way, they're equal no matter how you look at it

Which Rinnegan technique Sasuke didn't use?

Naruto had the following restrictions

- No Bijus outside Kurama
- Lost Gudodamas(if he had gudodamas he wouldn't even have been damaged by Sasuke's strongest attack)
- Low on chakra according to Kurama
- Didn't/couldn't use his strongest move and yes his strongest move wasn't a sennin powered up rasenshuriken+bijudama when with other bijus help, he could have had a complete stronger sennin powered-up attack(with ink, lava, gudodamas and other elemental transformations)

Sasuke on the other side powered up with all Bijus however

No matter how you look at it, Sasuke wasn't equal to full power Naruto, strong enough to give him a good fight, but not equal

Yet the former's explosion wasn't nowhere near the latter's. Go back to wanking Minardo and Kakashi, that's the only thing you're good at, Boggie.

Maybe when you will stop being biased, you'll see the truth

 

[Bronze]

Naruto's superiority have been proven multiple times. He held and damaged Kaguya while Sasuke was being boxed around, and not having the intent to kill stalemated a blood-lusted Sasuke. There is no argumentation for tie, after Sasuke acknowledges his inferiority to Naruto.

 

[Transcendence]

Harogomo's sword. Since its based on will and Naruto's will is unbreakable. It should be held at a higher standard than all of sasuke's attacks.
Then there's the fact that Sasuke can't out range all 9 tsbfrs which should stronger than the 2 used to match indra's arrow.

Until Naruto shows that he can use Hagoromo's sword, he doesn't have it.

@Apex No. He fused the Kurama avatars to make an Avatar resembling Ashura's Avatar. I just refer to it as Ashura's Avatar because it's easier. The basis here is that, assuming he's able to do that normally, it's scaled to Sasuke's Bijuu PS, which in the point we're arguing that he doesn't have it, Naruto would end up winning with his Avatar against Sasuke's inferior PS.

 

[Apêx1]

@First Bold -> Naruto's Avatar's durability renders those pretty useless and or ineffective (I mean his Ashura Avatar, not his normal Kurama Avatar). The entirety of the fight (besides when they were both exhausted out of chakra and fighting with Taijutsu) was done using chakra avatars (PS and AA) so chakra rods are a negligible ability and Human Path's soul rip will never be effective (unless Sasuke can use it through Susano'o but I doubt that).

That's exactly my point, all of the KKG's Naruto posses from the Bijuu are ineffective against Sasuke's PS. There's literally no reason to suggest they can bypass something on the level of Sasuke's PS, let alone imply that Sasuke cannot dodge its epicentre with his PS's speed.

@Second Bold -> I wasn't talking about Naruto's Kurama Avatar Shroud. That was scaled to Sasuke's prior PS. It was getting absolutely destroyed by Sasuke's Bijuu enhanced PS (Case in point, 3 clones of it were getting stomped by Sasuke's Bijuu PS). I was talking about Naruto's Ashura Avatar that was clearly scaled to Sasuke's Bijuu PS. Nothing really suggests he can't use it with or without the Bijuu, as they were clearly made purely of Kurama clones merging.

Once again, I don't see how you came to the conclusion that they were scaled together, when Naruto's AA never went for a hit. All it had going for it was equivalent durability, its ability to stop Sasuke's speed and power in CQC is fallacy. However, I am simply going with it because Naruto and Sasuke are portrayed equals and there's nothing one can say to debunk such parallel notions. I don't get how bold establishes Naruto being able to use AA without Bijuu chakra, nor do I see how it insinuates Naruto's ability to form a chakra as potent as the Kyuubi's, which is the durability factor of the avatar similar to how Sasuke's potent chakra is the durability/power factor of his.

@Third Bold -> I'm talking about the entire fight as a whole. The versatility of the Bijuu KKG would have given Naruto an edge in many areas of the battle, plus, assuming there was a restriction on the Bijuu's powers, Naruto wasn't able to use the 9 Bijuu Rasenshuriken which would have been a powerful technique available to him during the fight.

The versatility of Naruto's KKG cannot possibly compare to Sasuke's Shinra Tensei versatility, coupled with Preta Path's ability to negate Naruto's KKG versatility and Sasuke ability to manifest eyes 360 degrees across his head given he uses Asura's mechanical capabilities like Nagato did (who has inferior usage to Sasuke in terms of Rinnegan). That would have most definitely helped him fight the clones, absorb chakra>Soul rip on Naruto when they were on the floor, absorb Naruto's attempted KKG versatility employment and increase his CQC potential with mechanical arms, equipment, etc.

 

[Transcendence]

I'll respond to your post tomorrow. Have some things to do.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Why wouldn't Sasuke have it ? It's part of his arsenal.

He can't use it without outside interference, so I don't consider it part of his arsenal. I'll just consider it an extension of Rikudo Sasuke, like I do for EMS Sasuke with the Kyuubi Chakra Cloak.​

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[RustledJimmies]

He can't use it without outside interference, so I don't consider it part of his arsenal. I'll just consider it an extension of Rikudo Sasuke, like I do for EMS Sasuke with the Kyuubi Chakra Cloak.​

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Lol, so EMS Madara can have Kurama as part of his arsenal, but Sasuke can't have the Bijuu, even though they both controlled and acquired their respective powers in a legit way. Unlike the cloak, which Naruto pretty much handed out to him.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Lol, so EMS Madara can have Kurama as part of his arsenal, but Sasuke can't have the Bijuu, even though they both controlled and acquired their respective powers in a legit way. Unlike the cloak, which Naruto pretty much handed out to him.

Madara can summon Kurama whenever he wants. Sasuke can't summon the Bijuu whenever he wants.

I don't even consider Kurama as part of EMS Madara in vs fights either though :| EMS Madara and EMS Madara + Kyuubi are two different things to me.​

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[adeshina365]

Sasuke will lose without the Bijuu with his current level of Rinnegan proficiency.

Chapter 698 made it clear that Sasuke needs time to master the Rinnegan to become truly invincible.

 

[Naruto9001]

I see it as like with Hashirama and Madara. Hashirama is stronger than Madara w/o Kyuubi but their equal with Kyuubi like Naruto is stronger than Sasuke w/o Bijuus but equal with.