Sasuke vs Minato

[DHOH]

Sasuke is restricted...
This is adult Sasuke with one arm.
No sword
Rinnegan but can only use Ameno
No Rikdou chakra or Rinnengan chakra boost
No Susanoo
Chakra level is EMS.
This is a made up Sasuke so don't ask all the dumb questions like, "how can Sasuke have Ameno without Rinnengan chakra boost".

This is alive Minato.. No restrictions..
Who wins and why.

They both has full intell..

 

[Tantalus Thief]

This battle would depend on who has the better flexes/speed. FTG/Ameno is instant, but I'm not sure who has the better reflexes. Without rikoudo chakra, Sasuke would get slower. I'll have to go with Minato. If someone can provide some good feats for Sasuke's speed that would make it superior to Minato then I'd gladly change my mind.

 

[Tarkatower]

Sasuke has better physical stats all-around based on his performance against Momoshiki. His skillset is superior to Minato's too since Minato doesn't have kyuubi chakra. Sasuke would take this

 

[DHOH]

This battle would depend on who has the better flexes/speed. FTG/Ameno is instant, but I'm not sure who has the better reflexes. Without rikoudo chakra, Sasuke would get slower. I'll have to go with Minato. If someone can provide some good feats for Sasuke's speed that would make it superior to Minato then I'd gladly change my mind.

I personally think speed/reflexes would be the last thing to decide this battle.. I say that because with full intell and Sasuke and Minato are both geniuses, they both will be to smart to be caught by speed attacks or space time jutsu.

I don't think either has speed feats to put one above the other.. I'm going with Sasuke. I feel like he has more ways to win in a long dragged out battle.. Like controlling the battlefield with Amaterasu and Enton, along with the possibility of Genjutsu..

Sasuke has better physical stats all-around based on his performance against Momoshiki. His skillset is superior to Minato's too since Minato doesn't have kyuubi chakra. Sasuke would take this

You're right I forgot to take in account on how Sasuke improved physically over vote2 battle.. That gives Sasuke a bigger advantage.

 

[KidGamer65]

This version of Sasuke surpasses Minato in every physical stat. Minato has Hiraishin, but now Sasuke has the superior Ameno to counter that. So he wins.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

This battle would depend on who has the better flexes/speed. FTG/Ameno is instant, but I'm not sure who has the better reflexes. Without rikoudo chakra, Sasuke would get slower. I'll have to go with Minato. If someone can provide some good feats for Sasuke's speed that would make it superior to Minato then I'd gladly change my mind.

This cuz Minato's reflexes are faster than non rikudou Sasuke's as evident from both of their fights against Ay. Ay himself thought Minato to be the fastest even after fighting Sasuke.

 

[Jiren]

This battle would depend on who has the better flexes/speed. FTG/Ameno is instant, but I'm not sure who has the better reflexes. Without rikoudo chakra, Sasuke would get slower. I'll have to go with Minato. If someone can provide some good feats for Sasuke's speed that would make it superior to Minato then I'd gladly change my mind.

EMS Sasuke kept up with Jubbi Jin and managed to save Naruto before Minato could react with ftg

 

[DHOH]

This cuz Minato's reflexes are faster than non rikudou Sasuke's as evident from both of their fights against Ay. Ay himself thought Minato to be the fastest even after fighting Sasuke.

Lol what a joke eddevil. Ay fought Teen MS Sasuke. Minato is fighting adult EMS Sasuke... Meaning his physical abilities and chakra is far above the Sasuke Ay fought and the Minato Ay fought..

Sasuke has the advantage in CQC, mid and long range.. And can cotrol the battlefield with Amaterasu and Genjutsu..

With that being said, I believe neither has the reflexes to react to FTG or Ameno if put in that situation. Sasuke wins mid diff.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Lol what a joke eddevil. Ay fought Teen MS Sasuke. Minato is fighting adult EMS Sasuke... Meaning his physical abilities and chakra is far above the Sasuke Ay fought and the Minato Ay fought..

Sasuke has the advantage in CQC, mid and long range.. And can cotrol the battlefield with Amaterasu and Genjutsu..

With that being said, I believe neither has the reflexes to react to FTG or Ameno if put in that situation. Sasuke wins mid diff.

Well you made this thread to know other's opinion and when some one did you're bashing them lol with your own biased opinion. And if you know so confidently that Sasuke wins mid diff then why make this thread at all lol. Just as expected from a Sasuke fanboy.
Coming to the OT, you mentioned Sasuke without rikudou chakra advantage. So without it I don't think he's faster reflexes than Minato, doesn't matter he's adult or teen.

 

[DHOH]

Well you made this thread to know other's opinion and when some one did you're bashing them lol with your own biased opinion. And if you know so confidently that Sasuke wins mid diff then why make this thread at all lol. Just as expected from a Sasuke fanboy.
Coming to the OT, you mentioned Sasuke without rikudou chakra advantage. So without it I don't think he's faster reflexes than Minato, doesn't matter he's adult or teen.

I'm not bashing. Lol You are making a comparison between Sasuke that was much weaker than the one who is in this battle.

As you can see in my first post, I had Sasuke winning but only through a long dragged out battle.. Then I was reminded of Adult Sasuke physical growth that would give him more advantages to winning the battle.

Even you should be able to admit his speed and physical abilities grew a lot from vote2 to adult..

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I'm not bashing. Lol You are making a comparison between Sasuke that was much weaker than the one who is in this battle.

As you can see in my first post, I had Sasuke winning but only through a long dragged out battle.. Then I was reminded of Adult Sasuke physical growth that would give him more advantages to winning the battle.

Even you should be able to admit his speed and physical abilities grew a lot from vote2 to adult..

Sasuke's enhanced speed and reflexes come largely from him being Rikudou enhanced. That's no different in case of adult Sasuke as well, on top of it we don't know how much his speed and reflexes would be affected if you take away rikudou chakra. Even Momo was able to react to Sasuke's ameno and counter attack him with a slap in the face which rikudou Sasuke couldn't avoid. So it'd be interesting to see how fast adult Sasuke is without rikudou chakra but I guess we'll never get to see that. So based on feats alone I still believe Minato takes this.

 

[DHOH]

Sasuke's enhanced speed and reflexes come largely from him being Rikudou enhanced. That's no different in case of adult Sasuke as well, on top of it we don't know how much his speed and reflexes would be affected if you take away rikudou chakra. Even Momo was able to react to Sasuke's ameno and counter attack him with a slap in the face which rikudou Sasuke couldn't avoid. So it'd be interesting to see how fast adult Sasuke is without rikudou chakra but I guess we'll never get to see that. So based on feats alone I still believe Minato takes this.

Sasuke couldn't match Adult RSM Naruto in speed and reflexes at vote2, proving being Rikoudo enchanced had very little to do with his physical growth over his adult hood.
What are the feats that Minato have?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sasuke couldn't match Adult RSM Naruto in speed and reflexes at vote2, proving being Rikoudo enchanced had very little to do with his physical growth over his adult hood.
What are the feats that Minato have?

Well just like his Rinnegan his speed and strength with Rikudou chakra hadn't matured back then during VoTE 2. Btw, you're not saying by any chance that Sasuke's speed and reflexes are independent of his Rikudou chakra are you? Cuz that'd be complete BS.
As for Minato's feats in the manga then there are many, some of his speed feats are..
- Being considered as the fastest shinobi ever, ofc pre fourth ninja war.
- Toyed with Ay and being acknowledged by Ay.
- First ninja to land a hit on Obito all by himself and defeating him
- Praised by Tobirama for his teleportation speed
and so on.

 

[DHOH]

Well just like his Rinnegan his speed and strength with Rikudou chakra hadn't matured back then during VoTE 2. Btw, you're not saying by any chance that Sasuke's speed and reflexes are independent of his Rikudou chakra are you? Cuz that'd be complete BS.
As for Minato's feats in the manga then there are many, some of his speed feats are..
- Being considered as the fastest shinobi ever, ofc pre fourth ninja war.
- Toyed with Ay and being acknowledged by Ay.
- First ninja to land a hit on Obito all by himself and defeating him
- Praised by Tobirama for his teleportation speed
and so on.

It's not like Rinnegan..
Rikudou chakra doesn't grow over time.. Sasuke body Matured(with possible training), allowed his speed and physical abilities to enhance.

I'm not saying Sasuke speed and reflexes are independent of Rikudou chakra. I'm sayin his speed and reflexes grew even more after having Rikudou charkra... Meaning all the credit can't be given to Rikudou boost when obviously he gotten stronger after the boost.

So all Minato feats was are average at best compared to a EMS Sasuke? Are you saying Minato relexes are good enough to escape Ameno? If so thst just complete BS.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

It's not like Rinnegan..
Rikudou chakra doesn't grow over time.. Sasuke body Matured(with possible training), allowed his speed and physical abilities to enhance.

I'm not saying Sasuke speed and reflexes are independent of Rikudou chakra. I'm sayin his speed and reflexes grew even more after having Rikudou charkra... Meaning all the credit can't be given to Rikudou boost when obviously he gotten stronger after the boost.

Its not the rikudou chakra that grew but Sasuke's efficiency using it. Take away the Rikudou chakra and Sasuke would be much slower in comparison.

So all Minato feats was are average at best compared to a EMS Sasuke? Are you saying Minato relexes are good enough to escape Ameno? If so thst just complete BS.

Lol EMS only improved Sasuke's doujutsu abilities not his speed and reflexes. If Minato's feats are average then give examples of EMS Sasuke's beyond average speed and reflexes...xd.

@Bold Yes, but you restricted ameno didn't you?

 

[TheSages456]

Sasuke is restricted...
This is adult Sasuke with one arm.
No sword
Rinnegan but can only use Ameno
No Rikdou chakra or Rinnengan chakra boost
No Susanoo
Chakra level is EMS.
This is a made up Sasuke so don't ask all the dumb questions like, "how can Sasuke have Ameno without Rinnengan chakra boost".

This is alive Minato.. No restrictions..
Who wins and why.

They both has full intell..

Sasuke doesn't have the bold regardless and the Rinnegan's Six Paths power does nothing to someones physical stats.
There is no difference between the Sasuke in this thread and manga Adult Sasuke.


Minato possesses the superior foot speed & reflexes while Sasuke has the superior visual perception. Combat speed should be about equal though.

Minato would win since excessive use of Sasuke's Rinnegan puts it on temporary cooldown. Eventually Sasuke would be stuck against a Hiraishin user without the aid of Amenotejikara and that is when Minato kills him.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I can see Minato taking this high diff(sad to say) if we say the reflexes are around the same, and the s/t jutsus are around the same(I always figured sasuke could replicate Minato's tactics with ameno with pretty much any random objects, except he can't spam it too much as far as we know) basically my basis on him winning realistically is catching sasuke while on guard. Say he uses a clone(he can at least use one) if the clone goes to strike sasuke and sasuke blocks, Minato can blitz him with a rasengan from the other side, I mean without the the sword and at least susanoo to block he's pretty open right? Granted he can dodge the clone and guard Minato's blitz but that would still leave him open somewhat.... If it sounds dumb sorry, I tried lol

Edit: pretty much if I was fighting a one armed bad ass I would try to take advantage of that

 

[DHOH]

Its not the rikudou chakra that grew but Sasuke's efficiency using it. Take away the Rikudou chakra and Sasuke would be much slower in comparison.



Lol EMS only improved Sasuke's doujutsu abilities not his speed and reflexes. If Minato's feats are average then give examples of EMS Sasuke's beyond average speed and reflexes...xd.

@Bold Yes, but you restricted ameno didn't you?

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Sasuke have two of the oldest wises being praising his Chakra efficiency.. Efficiency has nothing to do with it. Yes of course without Rikoudo chakra Sasuke would be much slower, but not slower than Minato.

EMS Disn't improve Sasuke's doujutsu abilites. EMS gives more chakra, take away the side effects of pain and going blind.. After gaming EMS, said said he can feel his power growing. That power was more chakra that allowed him to us his MS abilites better.
EMS Sasuke only has average speed feats compared to Minato... Meaning neither of there feats outshines the other

No I didn't restrict Ameno. That's the only Rinnegan ability I gave him.

 

[DHOH]

I can see Minato taking this high diff(sad to say) if we say the reflexes are around the same, and the s/t jutsus are around the same(I always figured sasuke could replicate Minato's tactics with ameno with pretty much any random objects, except he can't spam it too much as far as we know) basically my basis on him winning realistically is catching sasuke while on guard. Say he uses a clone(he can at least use one) if the clone goes to strike sasuke and sasuke blocks, Minato can blitz him with a rasengan from the other side, I mean without the the sword and at least susanoo to block he's pretty open right? Granted he can dodge the clone and guard Minato's blitz but that would still leave him open somewhat.... If it sounds dumb sorry, I tried lol

Edit: pretty much if I was fighting a one armed bad ass I would try to take advantage of that

Any tatics you come up with using a blitz or FTG can be replicated by Sasuke, so I would just stay away from that.. In fact Sasuke can come up with tatics that Minato can't replicate because Sasuke can Bing Minato directly to him or doesn't need a object to swap with.. But as I said in my first post, I don't see either falling for trap since they are both genius of the highest level.

Clones won't help, Sasuke has them too. And Minato resengan is cancelled out by chidori.
I haven't seen Sasuke one arm hindered him so far but who knows.

 

[DHOH]

Sasuke doesn't have the bold regardless and the Rinnegan's Six Paths power does nothing to someones physical stats.
There is no difference between the Sasuke in this thread and manga Adult Sasuke.


Minato possesses the superior foot speed & reflexes while Sasuke has the superior visual perception. Combat speed should be about equal though.

Minato would win since excessive use of Sasuke's Rinnegan puts it on temporary cooldown. Eventually Sasuke would be stuck against a Hiraishin user without the aid of Amenotejikara and that is when Minato kills him.

So many things wrong here... I'll just let someone else deal with this.