Sasuke vs Minato, endless argument, proofs are inside

[bogosixone]

First of all, i'd like to say this is my opinion, and not everything is right and few are speculations, so no flames, allright?

Sasuke's counter to Minato's tech

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1 FTG
We know that Minato needs kunai to teleport. Kunai is a basic ninja weapon.
- Sharingan
Sharingan can predict movements and attacks including kunais because kunai is a weapon. So by utilizing his Sharingan, Sasuke can predict where Minato's kunai heading. Based on Naruto wikia, the more the tomoe Sharingan have will grant the user much more prediction for movements and faster attack. However, Minato's reflexes is one of the top notch (ex: when A attacks). So sharingan might be not able to read the kunai movements that give minato a slight edge.

2. Susanoo
Susanoo in my opinion can actually help Sasuke. Why? because susanoo is a defence and Kunai will not be able to pass through it. Minato might throw his kunai near susanoo, but not inside it. Based on the manga, ways to attack Susanoo is through take it's user out of it (gaara's sand to madara) or destroy it by overwhelming power. Minato's powerful attacks are rasengan and summoning:bring down the house. While rasengan obviously cant destroy susanoo, bring down the house might destroy it but only ribcage susanoo. complete susanoo will have arrows that can hurt or kill Gamabunta especially with amaterasu. Speaking of Amaterasu, Sasuke can cover his susanoo with amaterasu so Gamabunta will burned.

3. Summoning
Sasuke's known summonings are snake and Hawks. Hawks will be more benefitable because it can fly. Minato can actually throw kunai in the air so Minato can fly (i read it somewhere here). But i doubt minato can do that. While he's flying Sasuke can spam amaterasu or susanoo arrows.

4. Remove the kunais
Easiest way actually. with Susanoo long arms and arrows it can destroy or remove Minato's kunai.

Note : KCM Minato's tech are still unknown.

Sasuke's attacks

Spoiler

1. Amaterasu
Amaterasu spamming can actually works. Because sasuke can manipulate it and make susanoo kinda wear it. Minato needs to get close to sasuke and the only way to get close is by teleports near him but.. bam amaterasu.

2. Genjutsu
Minato have a bad habbit to look straight to his opponent eyes which is very bad if he fight against an Uchiha.

3. Susanoo
Susanoo arrows is the fastest long range attack. But i still doubt it can hit Minato. Maybe with some kind of trick

Minato's chance of winning

Spoiler

Living minato definetely can beat 3T sasuke because obvious reason.
Living minato actually have a chance against MS sasuke because of sasuke's exhaustion for using MS.
EMS Sasuke definetely beats Minato because Sasuke no longer have exhaustion for using Sharingan.
EDO minato can beat sasuke because of it has unlimited chakra and KCM.

Summaries

Spoiler

3T Sasuke < lliving Minato
MS Sasuke >=< Living Minato
EMS Sasuke > Living Minato
EMS Sasuke =< Edo Minato

Thoughts with reasons? peace up!

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Replace Edo Minato with Alive Minato with KCM.

He wins mid diff at best.

 

[Minator93]

Lol

Alive Minato is above every version of Sasuke U_U

Tell EMS Sasuke to simultaneously beat MS+Mokuton Obito and his Kurama or Solo a war or beat Ay and Bee simultaneously!! Oh wait Didn't Sasuke shat against all of them.

Sasuke needs some great powerups in order to match Alive Minato.

 

[Blaze Release]

Lol

Alive Minato is above every version of Sasuke U_U

Tell EMS Sasuke to simultaneously beat MS+Mokuton Obito and his Kurama or Solo a war or beat Ay and Bee simultaneously!! Oh wait Didn't Sasuke shat against all of them.

Sasuke needs some great powerups in order to match Alive Minato.

Interesting you say this because minato did none of the above.

True be bested obito, however he never simultaneously beat obito + kurama, the same way hashirama did to madara.

Kurama was in konoha wrecking havoc which obito/minato were doing battle. After the fight did he AND kushina overcame the fox.

True his contrbution to the war was immense, but to say he solo'ed a war isn't true. Other shinobi's were involved including those that were aiming his kunai's at the opposition for him.

The final one is the most overrated feat ever with people still not understanding how simple it is.
Minato never fought Ei and Bee. That was a duel between EI and minato with the premise from start, middle and end being on who had the greater speed, something that minato came out on top.

Bee never realised his intervention in his brother;s duel as his duel as he claimed an inexperienced ms sasuke to be the strongest shinobi he has fought, but also claimed that nobody apart from sasuke and EI has evaded his number 8 attack. Going by that statement he should have landed it on minato if they had fought.

Anyway i believe km minato is the only minato above current sasuke

 

[Minator93]

Interesting you say this because minato did none of the above.

True be bested obito, however he never simultaneously beat obito + kurama, the same way hashirama did to madara.

Kurama was in konoha wrecking havoc which obito/minato were doing battle. After the fight did he AND kushina overcame the fox.

True his contrbution to the war was immense, but to say he solo'ed a war isn't true. Other shinobi's were involved including those that were aiming his kunai's at the opposition for him.

The final one is the most overrated feat ever with people still not understanding how simple it is.
Minato never fought Ei and Bee. That was a duel between EI and minato with the premise from start, middle and end being on who had the greater speed, something that minato came out on top.

Bee never realised his intervention in his brother;s duel as his duel as he claimed an inexperienced ms sasuke to be the strongest shinobi he has fought, but also claimed that nobody apart from sasuke and EI has evaded his number 8 attack. Going by that statement he should have landed it on minato if they had fought.

Anyway i believe km minato is the only minato above current sasuke

Minato never had the luxury Hashirama had i.e. fighting Kurama and Obito at VOTE. He had to finish Obito quickly while the fox was destroying his village. And he did things simulataneoulsy i.e. in one marking move he pretty much ended it all [

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] From starting he was ready to fight Kurama, Obito used his techniques in order to keep Minato away from Kurama [

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He also didn't have free time that Hashirama had! His wife was dying his village was burning and he had to seal the fox in his own son! Had he had a free fox [no Kushina involved] and some adult shinobi like say Kakashi for sealing purposes he'd have sealed the fox with Hakke fuuin in Kakashi no need for Kushina to die or Minato to seal half of Kurama within himself. And we also know that the mark never disappears! It was a cakewalk after that for Minato but the circumstances were different!

Again Same thing with "Ay" and Bee the mark never disappears, Minato could have killed Bee with superior refelxes, Ay a thick-head who believed that there's no shinobi greater than Minato had no chance of beating him! Whereas Sasuke failed against both of them! Agree EMS Sasuke can take on Ay but he's not gonna "Solo" them both.

With Current Kage Bunshin feat and his other feats + godly reflexes + new ftg haxxes [mark never fading away and teleporting others to marks] + his experience + his brains he's above Current Sasuke! KM is an overkill.

Minato has been portrayed someone who is "Perfect" in the manga, I don't suppose that Naruto has surpassed him yet! I know what Kurama and Pa said but raw power isn't everything.

PS : What's up with you and some spellings? Deidora? Rennegan? Ei?

 

[Blaze Release]

Minato never had the luxury Hashirama had i.e. fighting Kurama and Obito at VOTE. He had to finish Obito quickly while the fox was destroying his village. And he did things simulataneoulsy i.e. in one marking move he pretty much ended it all [

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] From starting he was ready to fight Kurama, Obito used his techniques in order to keep Minato away from Kurama [

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]

He also didn't have free time that Hashirama had! His wife was dying his village was burning and he had to seal the fox in his own son! Had he had a free fox [no Kushina involved] and some adult shinobi like say Kakashi for sealing purposes he'd have sealed the fox with Hakke fuuin in Kakashi no need for Kushina to die or Minato to seal half of Kurama within himself. And we also know that the mark never disappears! It was a cakewalk after that for Minato but the circumstances were different!

Again Same thing with "Ay" and Bee the mark never disappears, Minato could have killed Bee with superior refelxes, Ay a thick-head who believed that there's no shinobi greater than Minato had no chance of beating him! Whereas Sasuke failed against both of them! Agree EMS Sasuke can take on Ay but he's not gonna "Solo" them both.

With Current Kage Bunshin feat and his other feats + godly reflexes + new ftg haxxes [mark never fading away and teleporting others to marks] + his experience + his brains he's above Current Sasuke! KM is an overkill.

Minato has been portrayed someone who is "Perfect" in the manga, I don't suppose that Naruto has surpassed him yet! I know what Kurama and Pa said but raw power isn't everything.

PS : What's up with you and some spellings? Deidora? Rennegan? Ei?

That isn't simultaneously beating kurama + obito though. He dealt with kurama after the fight, with kushina. Dunno why people like to blast out kushina's help, which was very evident. Most likely to exaggerate this already impressive feat.

Again minato never fought bee, a speed duel between ei and minato. As for the marking on bee, true it would prove troublesome but you forget something, in v2 mode its not as simple as having a mark on bee when the opposition will find it hard to do any damage to bee in this state.


Likewise you shoot yourself in the foot when you claim he fought bee because then why are we arguing?. The shinobi that has fought both ninja's claimed sasuke to be stronger.

A fight between bee and minato never happened

I like to style out my spelling though besides people spell Ai, Ei, A, AY. lol

 

[Minator93]

That isn't simultaneously beating kurama + obito though. He dealt with kurama after the fight, with kushina. Dunno why people like to blast out kushina's help, which was very evident. Most likely to exaggerate this already impressive feat.

Again minato never fought bee, a speed duel between ei and minato. As for the marking on bee, true it would prove troublesome but you forget something, in v2 mode its not as simple as having a mark on bee when the opposition will find it hard to do any damage to bee in this state.


Likewise you shoot yourself in the foot when you claim he fought bee because then why are we arguing?. The shinobi that has fought both ninja's claimed sasuke to be stronger.

A fight between bee and minato never happened

I like to style out my spelling though besides people spell Ai, Ei, A, AY. lol

Alright I see, Minato never really fought Bee! However if he has enough tools to teleport Super Bijju dama then taking out Bee in his v2 is nothing [

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] And both of us knows that Edo's don't get chakra boosts [only get quick refill] and Minato showed no signs of fatigue further the edoes aren't even back at their full powers Lol

Also if there's a battle between Current Sasuke and Alive Minato, I don't see Minato losing not with all the new feats we saw!

Minato is someone who is second to likes of Hashirama and Madara [not talking about a top 10 here] so if someone are to surpass him [Naruto and Sasuke] they need to be at Hashi-Maddie level and that'll happen at the end of the series so in my books as of now Sasuke can't beat Minato.

 

[Blaze Release]

Alright I see, Minato never really fought Bee! However if he has enough tools to teleport Super Bijju dama then taking out Bee in his v2 is nothing [

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] And both of us knows that Edo's don't get chakra boosts [only get quick refill] and Minato showed no signs of fatigue further the edoes aren't even back at their full powers Lol

Also if there's a battle between Current Sasuke and Alive Minato, I don't see Minato losing not with all the new feats we saw!

Minato is someone who is second to likes of Hashirama and Madara [not talking about a top 10 here] so if someone are to surpass him [Naruto and Sasuke] they need to be at Hashi-Maddie level and that'll happen at the end of the series so in my books as of now Sasuke can't beat Minato.

Not here to really talk of a fight between bee and minato. Just saying an intervention doesn;t constitute his fight.
Majority like myself see minato/itachi as the mediums to hash/madara and imo its already been established that naruto/sasuke have already surpassed their mediums.

Anyway its a matter of opinion i guess

 

[Minator93]

Not here to really talk of a fight between bee and minato. Just saying an intervention doesn;t constitute his fight.
Majority like myself see minato/itachi as the mediums to hash/madara and imo its already been established that naruto/sasuke have already surpassed their mediums.

Anyway its a matter of opinion i guess

I suppose it is.

And about the mediums I know your thread which I agreed at the time but now I think that they have had multiple mediums and not just Minato/Itachi. Itachi in many ways was a medium for Naruto as well!

 

[Shura]

EMS Sasuke > Minato > MS Sasuke.

 

[TheEvilOne]

MS or EMS Sasuke > Minato.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

MS or EMS Sasuke > Minato.

Haha, yeah no.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Haha, yeah no.

Minato has still absolutely nothing to destroy his Susanoo, not even the V1.

 

[DarkClaw]

Minato's speed gives him the victory.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato has still absolutely nothing to destroy his Susanoo, not even the V1.

And Sasuke has nothing to hit him with, difference being Susanoo exhausts Sasuke while Minato can dodge his attacks for hours.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Minato's speed gives him the victory.

The speed alone is not enough when Minato lacks firepower to destroy the Susanoo.

 

[DarkClaw]

The speed alone is not enough when Minato lacks firepower to destroy the Susanoo.

He teleport dodges the susanoÓ arrows till he is out of chakra and then finishes him in style.

 

[Sygris]

The speed alone is not enough when Minato lacks firepower to destroy the Susanoo.

he has nothing? minato can ftg susanoo away by touching it or use s/t barrier and send sasukes arrows back to him.
and if you're saying he can't touch susanoo cause of enton shield, minato can use a KB to ftg it away.

edo minato>>minato>ems sasuke

 

[TheEvilOne]

he has nothing? minato can ftg susanoo away by touching it or use s/t barrier and send sasukes arrows back to him.
and if you're saying he can't touch susanoo cause of enton shield, mianto can use a KB to ftg it away.

edo minato>>minato>ems sasuke

Sasuke covers the Susanoo with enton shield. GG.

 

[Sygris]

Sasuke covers the Susanoo with enton shield. GG.

my previous post already answered this. ^

enjoy:

and if you're saying he can't touch susanoo cause of enton shield, minato can use a KB to ftg it away.