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Actually the databooks put their speed as a 4.5. Its completely even. Also what do you mean he would see the 8 trigrams?
Sasuke VS Konoha 11 including Sai without Naruto
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If the sharingan slows down taijutsu to the point where it looks like a snail then someone like Neji who uses high speed taijutsu within his sphere of 8 trigrams 64 palms and up then Sasuke would be able to dodge them.
According to naruto wikia - (As the Sharingan evolves, gaining more tomoe seals, this ability extends to being able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker’s next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counterattack or dodge without any wasted movement. However, even though the user may be able to see an attack or know it is coming, their body may not always have time to react. Since Sasuke and Neji's speeds are equal( according to wikia) he would be able to keep up with Neji's attacks.
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Dude...you're looking too deep into the words instead of what they really are...
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So I get called a jerk for telling and showing the truth of why Sasuke would lose....
Sasuke is severly outmatched and outnumbered....we've shown and proved those who say that choji isn't strong enough to break susanoo or isn't fast enough in his butterfly mode to dodge Amaterasu...the Gedo Statue is far stronger than Susanoo...it has to be to house the Bijuu's it's holding....come on...it's common sense...
Since when did Sasuke get Rock Lee's Speed???....For those that are talkin about Rock Lee's Genin status speed....I laugh at your horribly flawed post. The Rotation of the Hyuuga Clan is so far the 2nd in deflection....only to the Yata mirror (And I'm still waiting to see if it'll deflect a TBB), so those that say that he'll spam arrows to kill them off....I say....he'd shoot about...6-8 arrows before he's tapped out of chakra....
By show of hands, who thinks that Shikamaru would be killed by an arrow or amaterasu beforeSasuke is snagged and trapped in a shadow bind or a snare?? Cuz I don't see it Shikamaru dying at all....you can call me a Sasuke hater all you want....but the facts are facts.....Susanoo can be broken.....It's arrows can be deflected....Sasuke CAN be bounced around by 2 people who are WAAAAY faster than him.....and Sasuke's chakra pool wouldn't outlast the sheer bombarment of attacks....especially IF they intend of killing him, rather than capturing him...
Sasuke is severly outmatched and outnumbered....we've shown and proved those who say that choji isn't strong enough to break susanoo or isn't fast enough in his butterfly mode to dodge Amaterasu...the Gedo Statue is far stronger than Susanoo...it has to be to house the Bijuu's it's holding....come on...it's common sense...
Since when did Sasuke get Rock Lee's Speed???....For those that are talkin about Rock Lee's Genin status speed....I laugh at your horribly flawed post. The Rotation of the Hyuuga Clan is so far the 2nd in deflection....only to the Yata mirror (And I'm still waiting to see if it'll deflect a TBB), so those that say that he'll spam arrows to kill them off....I say....he'd shoot about...6-8 arrows before he's tapped out of chakra....
By show of hands, who thinks that Shikamaru would be killed by an arrow or amaterasu beforeSasuke is snagged and trapped in a shadow bind or a snare?? Cuz I don't see it Shikamaru dying at all....you can call me a Sasuke hater all you want....but the facts are facts.....Susanoo can be broken.....It's arrows can be deflected....Sasuke CAN be bounced around by 2 people who are WAAAAY faster than him.....and Sasuke's chakra pool wouldn't outlast the sheer bombarment of attacks....especially IF they intend of killing him, rather than capturing him...
everyone here who thinks sasuke will just have amateratsu covering his susanoo the whole fight does not realise that it will cost him tons of chakra because susanoo is not made up of amateratsu its made of chakra. however, sauske will see shino's bugs because when he fought deidara he could see his microscopic c4 bombs by the color of the chakra. However he will not have the time to kill them because shikamaru or ino will have him under control. This is because it is likely that shikamaru and ino and shino would know fighting up close with sasuke would be instant death and that staying hidden would yeild the best results. meanwhile sakura and hinata could back him up while choji, lee, and neji fight susanoo while tenten and sai provide distractions and then all ino and shikamaru have to do is capture him.
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he's not as fast as rock lee but he still beats rock lee jus like he might not be as fast as sasuke but with out suasnoo he'll beat sasuke. He can block amaterasu with the rotation(yes the rotation will burn but since expands when its finished it'll blow the black flame away with the chakra burning). If plus with byukugan he maybe able to see it comin along withthe air pressure change before its use. Neji i dout will get caught with a genjutsu, he's no idoit an he knows the sharingan an will be expecting it. But i dont deny that if he does catch him with it he'll win. But sasukes no where a near as good as itachi in casting genjutsu. An the chidori thing i just dont see being a super probably. As far as close range goes if your talking about the attack i think you are itll be just as useful as neji's rotation
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this may be true but killer bee was to fast for sasukes eyes to follow which we saw when killer bee destroyed taka. an if anyones had speed can be to fast for sharingun it would be neji's. An is the website going by hand speed or movement speed?cause i think it's movement
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Nope...Shikamaru, Shino, and Sai.....
WTH??? Mastery of Tsukyomi??? He NEVER mastered Tsukyomi....so far, we've only seen him use it twice....BOTH times yielded in not only an EPIC FAIL....but one had no effect whatsoever, the other, he damn near got himself killed at the hands of Killer Bee.
What part of the manga states that he can see the 8 Trigrams?? Show your proof of your homework. The only thing he has going for him is Amaterasu and the Chidori variants.....The Databook v3 says that both Neji and Lee are both faster than Sasuke. It also states that Shikamaru is smarter than he is. Choji, Neji, and Sakura all have a bigger chakra pool than Sasuke...
So all in all...With Shikamaru, Neji, and Sai leading the attack.....Sasuke wouldn't win....U_U
Haha ppl are so stupid NONE of them can break susanoo haha ppl talk like choji broke the gedo mazo he did nothing to it not one scratch, if Neji gets close to susanoo he will gets crushed all taijutsu users are useless. Rock lee is the only one with gated mode who dodge a arrow no one else is faster than him. ppl talk about shikamaru like he some kage he is a fodder ninja with no speed to escape Amaterasu, Choji,ino,,shikamaru,hinata, sakura all gets killed from his enton disc while sai, kiba gets killed with susanoo arrows rock lee gets hit with Amaterasu from his eye they all die.
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I can't believe the BS I'm seeing....Just how is Neji gonna get crushed?? Show where did Rock Lee dodge and arrow....Shikamaru is Kage level, he's just too lazy to take the job. .....To BEAT Amaterasu, all you have to do is be faster than the eyes of the caster...So tell me,....since when did Sasuke have the Enton Disc??? Rock Lee is far too fast to be hit with Amaterasu....You act like this is a 1 vs 1 fight....it's 1 vs 11, and they're all gonna protect each other...
You refuse to acknowledge that he'd get his ass kicked.
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Mighty rapid I like that name anyway Lee never dodge an arrow but he could in gate mode he fast enough too. Haha did you ask how would neji get crushed did you forget about this?I can't believe the BS I'm seeing....Just how is Neji gonna get crushed?? Show where did Rock Lee dodge and arrow....Shikamaru is Kage level, he's just too lazy to take the job. You are by far the stupidest guy on NB.....To BEAT Amaterasu, all you have to do is be faster than the eyes of the caster...So tell me, Mighty Rapid....king of all knowledge of the Naruto manga....since when did Sasuke have the Enton Disc??? Rock Lee is far too fast to be hit with Amaterasu you dunce....You act like this is a 1 vs 1 fight....it's 1 vs 11, and they're all gonna protect each other...
You are another Sasuke nut sucker who refuse to acknowledge that he'd get his ass kicked. Do yourself a favor....delete your NB acct. and save yourself the embarressement of any further posting because you just top all other fanboys with all diarrhea that spewed from your mouth...:sy:U_U
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Did you forget sasuke can manipulate his flames which allowed him to create his susanoo with and enton orb
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Yes rock lee would block sasuke enton disc, but not Amaterasu from the eye which is instant he cant dodge that, and dont matter if its 11 on 1 they cant harm sasuke none have dust release, or tbb to destroy susanoo..
MangekyouJ
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You are just so oblivious to your own patheticness....it's rather entertaining...First off....that Danzo that got crushed.....Danzo who was using Izagani to be exact so he wasn't worried about being hit in the first place.
Did you not pay any attention to anything I typed....Lee....who is FASTER than Sasuke's eyes, would be able to dodge anything that Sasuke throws at him....Since when was Amaterasu "Instant"???
You've YET to counter anything that I've said in my last few post. In case you hadn't realized it yet, but they don't have to break Susanoo....they're be smart enough to let him use all his chakra...the moment he starts shooting arrows...is when his chakra pool drastically drops...Amaterasu won't work on Neji and Hinataa...Rotation is gonna block/deflect it....so it's basically gonna be burning chakra....and the moment he's still Shikamaru wil catch him....close his eyes....make him take his own sword and kill himself.....it's too easy...all he needs is a distraction.....and wait....but you're too much on the Uchiha sac to forsee the Intelligence of a guy who's too lazy and smart to actually see how easy it is....especially since he's out numbered....
6pathofpain
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Sauske will use up to much chakra to stay in suasnoo he has ems not unlimited chakra. Neji an hinata can block amatesau with the rotation, true it will burn the chakra but when they stop the rotation it expands an the the black flames will fly away with the chakra. An with the byukugan on there side not to metion the change in air pressure there not gonna get hit an sure sauaske can spam it but once again it might not hurt his eye but itll still be a waste of chakra. The arrows MAY also be able to be block by the rotation. This is not a fact but its a possiblilty. An if it cant the air palm can change the direction or detroy the arrows so thats not gonna work either. If neji did run up on susanoo(which he wouldnt) he unlike danzo can see suasnoo with his byukugan an wont be caught off guard like danzo was.An if sasuke tries taijutsu, he might beat hinat but neji will **** him up. THat ends neji an hinata's defence against sasuke.
Amatersu moves by sight an rock lee with out his weights on(not in the gates) has been seen to move faster than the eye since he was a child. So with neji an hinata's warning or payin attention to the change in air pressure im sure he'll escape no problem. The arrow may be a lil more difficult but i dout it. I seen danzo's fight an if he can grow a dam tree outta his arm before the arrow got there rock lee can move outta the way. If he gets close suasnoo's hands arent fast enough to hit rock lee. It worked on danzo cause he's slow an once your really get down to it without izangi he jus wasnt a real nigga(he wasnt that good). Taijutsu obviously rock lee would **** sasuke up so i think that ends that dicussion.
Choji in that butterfly mode is not a fodder or whatever you guys keep saying. He's considerably fast an strong espeacially if he makes his fist big. If he broke suasnoo or at least crack him or knocked him down i wouldnt be surprised. I know what your thinking "he get hit with the black flame".
...Stop it...:sy:
There fighting with shikamaru, no one beside kibas gonna rush in stupidly an get killed, theres always a plan. Lets stop talkin about what could happen an start talkin how these people actually fight. Shikamaru, ino, ten te, sai, shino, an maaaaaaybe sakura(she may go out an try to be a hero an get ****ed up i wouldnt be surprised) are not gonna be on the front line. Sai would most likely be paintin up everything in his armory from a safe distance in the air or something. ten ten will be throwing random ninja tolls from a far to distract him(An lets not forget she now has a powerful ledgendary fan that she picked up during the war). Ino an sakura will be cheering everyone on an hoping for the best. Shino will also be use as a distraction by using bugs from a far an eating away at suasnoo an making him weak. An kiba will proably try to attack suasnoo with the fang over fang if he's not already dead somewhere cause he's kinda dumb.
An yes i know saukes not jus gonna be standing there letting it happen. But in all honesty suasnoo's to big to dodge any of the attack i just said. The most he can do is black flame kiba, the paintings, an the bugs an possibly choji too. But he'll use up to much chakra an be to busy to notice shikamaru's shadow possesion an get ****ed up. Cause if he leaves suasnoo he's done for.
It's not the fact that sasukes not strong, its jus to much going on at once :shrug:
MangekyouJ
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I couldn't agree more....This ends this discussion with the fact that his chakra pool isn't big enough to handle/kill everybody...the moment he jumps into Susanoo and start shooting arrows.....is when his chakra start really taking hits....so they'll eventually tire himself out....
If any of the get close to susanoo they will be crushed simple as that. Sasuke looks at danzo
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Post what I didnt counter? Anywat neji nor hinata can see stop Amaterasu they wont even see it coming you act as if he is throwing kunai's at them. waste chakra? Have you been watchin sasuke spamming susanoo with with no exhaustion anyway shikamaru will be dead by susanoo arrow or Amaterasu he is slow.
EMS seems to drain very little chakra cause we seen sasuke spam his eye technique with no exhuastion. Neji and hinata wont even see Amaterasu coming they can't block it once its on them they're dead. Sasuke was fast as lee without weights on and he got caught by Amaterasu so how do you expect lee to dodge it? Whats Shikamaru plan gonna be when sasuke fire consecutive multiple susanoo arrows