Sasuke Vs. Kinshiki - Full Fight - Insane Speed Fight

[DHOH]

The problem is Momoshiki doesn't seem to have any ninjutsu unless she absorbs it from someone.. So if that's the case there's no Hutus for him to absorb if his opponent is a taijutsu/kenjutsu fighter like Kinshiki. Meaning momo has no choice but to fight Kinshiki with taijutsu.. Or am I missing something

 

[lndra]

You guys forget that Momoshiki has the Rinnegan, meaning he has the Path abilities too. He used CT in the movie, and a few others (even the black rods).

He defeated Killer Bee without having any stolen power from Boruto's device nor KB's Bijuudama, so obviously he's strong. Momoshiki would just pull Kinshiki with BT and remove his soul out.

 

[DHOH]

You guys forget that Momoshiki has the Rinnegan, meaning he has the Path abilities too. He used CT in the movie, and a few others (even the black rods).

He defeated Killer Bee without having any stolen power from Boruto's device nor KB's Bijuudama, so obviously he's strong. Momoshiki would just pull Kinshiki with BT and remove his soul out.

I know mono has the Rinnengan but it's power was shown to only absorb and multiple jutsu.. All other feats goes to the fusion.

Sorry but killer bee is a joke compared to top ninjas..

 

[LuckyMan]

I know mono has the Rinnengan but it's power was shown to only absorb and multiple jutsu.. All other feats goes to the fusion.

Sorry but killer bee is a joke compared to top ninjas..

Yet he negged Sasuke.

Edit- and his lackey's.

 

[DHOH]

Yet he negged Sasuke.

Edit- and his lackey's.

Your post are retarded. Sadie was the main reason both were defeated.

 

[lndra]

I know mono has the Rinnengan but it's power was shown to only absorb and multiple jutsu.. All other feats goes to the fusion.

Sorry but killer bee is a joke compared to top ninjas..

That doesn't sound right, Kinshiki doesn't have the Rinnegan so their fusion doesn't really account to anything when it comes to Rinnegan Paths.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

The problem is Momoshiki doesn't seem to have any ninjutsu unless she absorbs it from someone.. So if that's the case there's no Hutus for him to absorb if his opponent is a taijutsu/kenjutsu fighter like Kinshiki. Meaning momo has no choice but to fight Kinshiki with taijutsu.. Or am I missing something

Maybe, you're right. But it depends on whether he has the ninjutsu pills or not. If Momo has backup means of using ninjutsu, then Kinshiki gets wrecked. Otherwise, Kinshiki wins in pure taijutsu.

You guys forget that Momoshiki has the Rinnegan, meaning he has the Path abilities too. He used CT in the movie, and a few others (even the black rods).

He defeated Killer Bee without having any stolen power from Boruto's device nor KB's Bijuudama, so obviously he's strong. Momoshiki would just pull Kinshiki with BT and remove his soul out.

Momoshiki's Rinnegan only has the "absorption and release" ability.

Killer Bee is pretty low tier compared to Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Naruto and Sasuke. Defeating him isn't that big a deal. That doesn't prove Momoshiki can use Six Paths techniques aside from speculating.

That doesn't sound right, Kinshiki doesn't have the Rinnegan so their fusion doesn't really account to anything when it comes to Rinnegan Paths.

Regardless of whether Kinshiki has the Rinnegan or not, Momoshiki's red Rinnegan transforms into purple Rinnegan in addition to gaining another purple Rinnegan on his forehead AFTER the fusion. And that purple Rinnegan is the actual Rinnegan which grants the Six Paths techniques. So yes, their fusion accounts for the Rinnegan Paths, and Momoshiki can only use them after the fusion. Momo's red Rinnegan only allows absorption and release of ninjutsu.

 

[lndra]

Rinnegan only has the "absorption and release" ability.

Momoshiki has used CT in the Movie which he trapped Naruto in giant rocks, and then he later broke out through Kurama. He also used the Black Rods Nagato/Pain used to restrain Naruto.

Obviously he has the Rinnegan Paths, but he didn't use them.

Regardless of whether Kinshiki has the Rinnegan or not, Momoshiki gains the purple Rinnegan on his forehead (which is the actual Rinnegan that allows the usage of Rinnegan Paths) AFTER the fusion. So yes, their fusion accounts for the Rinnegan Paths. Momo's red Rinnegan only allows absorption and release of ninjutsu.

That doesn't make sense either, your coming to the conclusion that the Rinnegan on their forehead somehow accounts to his Paths which has no correlation what's so ever. Especially when Madara didn't have the Path abilities after he gained the Forehead Rinnegan, it was before.

Lastly, Momoshiki's Rinnegan has been performing the overall same features before he fused with Kinshiki, he only gained his physical attributes that he lacked with his small frame.

 

[Guitar Hero]

Momoshiki's Rinnegan only has the "absorption and release" ability.

Lol no, he uses CT in the movie . Just watched the film.

EDIT: what Indra said since he beat me to it. Anyway Momo is far more powerful than Kinishiki.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Momoshiki has used CT in the Movie which he trapped Naruto in giant rocks, and then he later broke out through Kurama. He also used the Black Rods Nagato/Pain used to restrain Naruto.

Obviously he has the Rinnegan Paths, but he didn't use them.


That doesn't make sense either, your coming to the conclusion that the Rinnegan on their forehead somehow accounts to his Paths which has no correlation what's so ever. Especially when Madara didn't have the Path abilities after he gained the Forehead Rinnegan, it was before.

Lastly, Momoshiki's Rinnegan has been performing the overall same features before he fused with Kinshiki, he only gained his physical attributes that he lacked with his small frame.

Go read the post again. I've made changes to it.

Lol no, he uses CT in the movie . Just watched the film.

After the fusion i.e. after gaining the purple Rinnegan.

 

[lndra]

Killer Bee is pretty low tier compared to Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Naruto and Sasuke. Defeating him isn't that big a deal. That doesn't prove Momoshiki can use Six Paths techniques aside from speculating.

Kinshiki can't defeat a Tailed Beast, much less stop a Bijuudama. Only Momoshiki has that qualified power with his abilities, and he has the power of lifting himself up in the air just like Pain did.

Which is a Rinnegan ability.

Regardless of whether Kinshiki has the Rinnegan or not, Momoshiki's red Rinnegan transforms into purple Rinnegan in addition to gaining another purple Rinnegan on his forehead AFTER the fusion. And that purple Rinnegan is the actual Rinnegan which grants the Six Paths techniques. So yes, their fusion accounts for the Rinnegan Paths, and Momoshiki can only use them after the fusion. Momo's red Rinnegan only allows absorption and release of ninjutsu.

Momoshiki has two Rinnegan's, one red one, and one purple one.

So this argument is just as invalid as your last one.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Kinshiki can't defeat a Tailed Beast, much less stop a Bijuudama.

Assumption only. But it is more on the agreeable side.

Only Momoshiki has that qualified power with his abilities,

Irrelevant. The argument isn't about whether Momoshiki is stronger than Kinshiki in a fight or not (which is debatable). The argument is whether Momoshiki can use Rinnegan Paths or not. And having the ability to defeat a Jin doesn't prove he has Rinnegan Paths.

and he has the power of lifting himself up in the air just like Pain did.

Which is a Rinnegan ability.

It's a Rinnegan ability. But it's not solely a Rinnegan ability. Just like how absorbing chakra is also a Rinnegan ability, but not solely a Rinnegan ability.

Momoshiki has two Rinnegan's, one red one, and one purple one.

So this argument is just as invalid as your last one.

Proof? As far as I know, Momoshiki only gains the purple Rinnegan after absorbing Kinshiki.

 

[lndra]

Assumption only. But it is more on the agreeable side.

It's a fact. Kinshiki can't even stand against a Bijuudama, no feats :lol

Going to end this discussion here. (The point above I mean) Let's not continue a long argument without evidence on your side.

Irrelevant. The argument isn't about whether Momoshiki is stronger than Kinshiki in a fight or not (which is debatable). The argument is whether Momoshiki can use Rinnegan Paths or not. And having the ability to defeat a Jin doesn't prove he has Rinnegan Paths.

How is it irrelevant when Momoshiki is the only one with the qualified skill for his abilities? It's not even the fact that he defeated a Jinchuriki, it's how he defeated a Jinchuriki :lol

It's a Rinnegan ability. But it's not solely a Rinnegan ability. Just like how absorbing chakra is also a Rinnegan ability, but not solely a Rinnegan ability.

He has the Rinnegan and he performs this ability, clearly he has the power. Otherwise go ahead and show how Momoshiki has levitation through any other means. He didn't start using Ninjutsu until after the CExams, and before that he was still raising Hachibi in the air while he was restrained.

Proof? As far as I know, Momoshiki only gains the purple Rinnegan after absorbing Kinshiki.

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I can't access Cam rips at school, but he has two Rinnegan. They were originally purple, but later it turned out it was red. The other hand carries the Purple color.

 

[lndra]

Momoshiki himself doesn't have any paths as stated by himself and Sasuke.

Momoshiki ''My ability is like that child gauntlet'' [Referring to Boruto]
Sasuke ''His ability is absorb and release'' [/FONT]

Please don't twist Sasuke's word. He did not state that Momoshiki doesn't have Rinnegan Abilities, he stated what his special Rinnegan ability does.

Much less the fact that he has SHOWN Rinnegan abilities, ends this arugment.

Momoshiki with his red Rinnegan has no paths, after eating Kinshiki both his red Rinnegan's evolved to purple and awaken a third purple 1 on his forehead.[/COLOR][/FONT]

Read my argument with Demon, I talked about this.

Kinshiki weapons are very effective and how are you not going to mention that he can use his deadly 5 finger technique that shattered the entire stadium.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Bijuudama negs.

Momoshiki himself has 2 red Rinnegan's.
Momoshiki after eating Kinshiki has 3 purple Rinnegan's.[/FONT][/COLOR]

What the are you talking about :lol

>1 Red Rinnegan
>1 Purple Rinnegan

After absorbing Kinshiki

>One Forehead Rinnegan while retaining the other two

 

[lndra]

Momoshiki said it, not me.[/COLOR

Yet you can't find the words

"My only abilities" in that sentence. Concession accepted.

- Momoshiki didn't have the Rinnegan abilities you mention until after eating Kinshiki.
- Momoshiki was running away because he had no other ability.
- Sasuke told everyone not to use ninjutsu which had Momoshiki shaking with fear.
- Kinshiki then saved him and told him it was time to consume him like he himself once did to his Guardian.

Wrong. Momoshiki used a form of ST just like Pain, to keep himself levitated in the air. Unless you can explain that isn't a Rinnegan ability, then go ahead.

Much less you can't prove why a forehead Rinnegan would unlock the Path techniques when that isn't how it works. Why do you think Kaguya didn't have the Paths in the first place? Much less Madara who had the Paths from the beginning, not after he absorbed the Shinju :lol

There's nothing stopping his from cutting Gyuki to pieces.
Sasuke chidori stream easily cut off his tentacles and Kinshiki casually sliced the shinju in 2.

Except logic. The only way Kinshik is beating a TB is if the host is in human form, because his speed would clearly blitz them and the'y die.

That doesn't change the fact that he has no defenses for a TB Roar, or a Bijuudama. Much less their aoe affect. He can't stop a Bijuudama, therefore he's weaker than any form of Momoshiki who can.

You should watch the movie again because you're forgetting/confusing the facts.

You should watch the Movie because you don't even know what your talking about. You must be some kind of fool if you think you can argue against someone who has seen the movie, God Kaneki :lol

 

[The Demon Hawk]

It's a fact. Kinshiki can't even stand against a Bijuudama, no feats :lol

I already said it was on the agreeable side. BTW, who said Kinshiki necessarily has to tank BD?

Going to end this discussion here. (The point above I mean) Let's not continue a long argument without evidence on your side.

LOL, WTF? Firstly, you're talking like you've provided countless evidences. Secondly, I don't even have the burden of proof, you have.

How is it irrelevant when Momoshiki is the only one with the qualified skill for his abilities? It's not even the fact that he defeated a Jinchuriki, it's how he defeated a Jinchuriki :lol

It's irrelevant because
- This debate is not about whether Momoshiki is stronger than Kinshiki or not (as you seem to suggest @bold)
- It doesn't prove Momoshiki has Rinnegan Path (which is what the debate is about)

He has the Rinnegan and he performs this ability, clearly he has the power. Otherwise go ahead and show how Momoshiki has levitation through any other means.

He's an Otsutsuki with a chakra rivaling and equivalent of Six Paths chakra. Having an ability like that under these circumstances doesn't come surprising.

He didn't start using Ninjutsu until after the CExams, and before that he was still raising Hachibi in the air while he was restrained.

Not so sure about that. Haven't seen the entire movie, so...

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I can't access Cam rips at school, but he has two Rinnegan. They were originally purple, but later it turned out it was red. The other hand carries the Purple color.

Provide the cameras rips before progressing further. That will help with this debate.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Momoshiki said it, not me.



- Momoshiki didn't have the Rinnegan abilities you mention until after eating Kinshiki.
- Momoshiki was running away because he had no other ability.
- Sasuke told everyone not to use ninjutsu which had Momoshiki shaking with fear.
- Kinshiki then saved him and told him it was time to consume him like he himself once did to his Guardian.



There's nothing stopping his from cutting Gyuki to pieces.
Sasuke chidori stream easily cut off his tentacles and Kinshiki casually sliced the shinju in 2.



You should watch the movie again because you're forgetting/confusing the facts.

Wish I could rep you again.

Yet you can't find the words

"My only abilities" in that sentence. Concession accepted.



Wrong. Momoshiki used a form of ST just like Pain, to keep himself levitated in the air. Unless you can explain that isn't a Rinnegan ability, then go ahead.

Much less you can't prove why a forehead Rinnegan would unlock the Path techniques when that isn't how it works. Why do you think Kaguya didn't have the Paths in the first place? Much less Madara who had the Paths from the beginning, not after he absorbed the Shinju :lol




Except logic. The only way Kinshik is beating a TB is if the host is in human form, because his speed would clearly blitz them and the'y die.

That doesn't change the fact that he has no defenses for a TB Roar, or a Bijuudama. Much less their aoe affect. He can't stop a Bijuudama, therefore he's weaker than any form of Momoshiki who can.




You should watch the Movie because you don't even know what your talking about. You must be some kind of fool if you think you can argue against someone who has seen the movie, God Kaneki :lol

Grades N Grabba has a perfect point. Why did Momoshiki not use his Rinnegan abilities when he was getting owned? Why did he HAVE to absorb Kinshiki before using them?

 

[lndra]

I already said it was on the agreeable side. BTW, who said Kinshiki necessarily has to tank BD?

I do, because that was the argument in play.

LOL, WTF? Firstly, you're talking like you've provided countless evidences. Secondly, I don't even have the burden of proof, you have.

>Saw the movie
>Posted facts
>Posted your opinions.

You learn something new.

It's irrelevant because
- This debate is not about whether Momoshiki is stronger than Kinshiki or not (as you seem to suggest @bold)
- It doesn't prove Momoshiki has Rinnegan Path (which is what the debate is about)

Again repeating what I said before "It's not even the fact that he defeated a Jinchuriki, it's how he defeated a Jinchuriki"

Did you see the video I posted on their fight and afterwards? Check my latest threads, it's titled KB's death.

He's an Otsutsuki with a chakra rivaling and equivalent of Six Paths chakra. Having an ability like that under these circumstances doesn't come surprising.

Except he didn't gain Rikudou-like abilities until after Kinshiki absorbed the Shinju and they fused together. Even after that, it was't much except a boost in physical/ninjutsu prowess. He definitely doesn't have Madara or Kaguya's regenerative properties or powers (EX - Limbo, Amen) but he does have some form of outside ST which allows him to travel dimensions.

What I don't understand is how people can argue against him not having Path abilities when he has the Rinnegan. Who has shown a normal purple Rinnegan and has not shown Path abilities :lol?

Not so sure about that. Haven't seen the entire movie, so...

Well I did. When Boruto attacked him with the device, he copied his abilities and magnified it. Before that he did the same to Killer Bee, after he was restricted.

Provide the cameras rips before progressing further. That will help with this debate.

Read above, I showed you how to access them

 

[lndra]

Grades N Grabba has a perfect point. Why did Momoshiki not use his Rinnegan abilities when he was getting owned? Why did he HAVE to absorb Kinshiki before using them?

Why didn't Sasuke use Rinnegan abilities when Kinshiki was throwing him like a Rag doll?

Except the fact that I proved he used Rinnegan abilities even before he absorbed Kinshiki, let alone absorbing Kinshiki doesn't prove he didn't have them before. Featless argumentation.

The only Rinnegan not shown to have Paths viable was Kaguya's, and Momoshiki has the standard and the Red.

 

[Berner]

ha had to nerf sasuke and still was able to do all that