Sasuke vs. Kakashi

[DemonicAvenger]

He didn't accomplish that until later on in the Manga. I can agree with the rest.

Yea but his skill at shape manipulation should allow him to do so. I can't see early part 2 Sasuke being more capable than Kakashi in that department.

Regardless if he copies them or not they get matched and overpowered by CS buffed versions of the same Jutsu.

It's not gonna happen. Sasuke w/ CM2 should be a good ways above Kakashi in direct combat, and Sakura can't play any support role that cause him to divert all his attention to her, not when he can outright take her attacks and survive due to CM2's wings and when he can summon and control Manda to support him since he's absorbed Orochimaru here. All he needs is a glance while Manda distracts or holds off Kakashi. After that it's GG from there.

Manda would be busy with any summon Naruto brings out.

He's not good enough to blow by Kakashi without any resistance either, especially when Naruto will have Bunshin supporting him. These same Bunshin could all be in 0tk as well, so Sasuke will never know which one he needs to surpress until tails start coming out. By that time, it'll be to late for him to start trying to surpress.

Sakura potentially has Katsuya here too

 

[KidGamer65]

Manda would be busy with any summon Naruto brings out.

He's not good enough to blow by Kakashi without any resistance either, especially when Naruto will have Bunshin supporting him. These same Bunshin could all be in 0tk as well, so Sasuke will never know which one he needs to surpress until tails start coming out. By that time, it'll be to late for him to start trying to surpress.

Sakura potentially has Katsuya here too

Ok. I'll agree that Sasuke loses S2.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Ok. I'll agree that Sasuke loses S2.

I gotchu, it's not an easy fight though. He wins if he can prep Kirin though, I'll say that.

 

[blazekev90]

S1: High difficulty- Sasuke

S2: no restrictions for Naruto? Team 7 low-mid difficulty.

 

[NarutoX28]

Pre-Hebi Sasuke takes this, mid-diff at most.

 

[Icelerate]

Scenario 2: Sasuke absorbs Orochimaru, Kakashi gets Beginning of Part 2 Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura.

I think you made a typo here considering Kakashi getting Kakashi makes sense. Either you meant Yamato, Sai or didn't mean to include anyone else. Also is this beginning of part two Sakura or War Arc Sakura?

Sasuke beats Kakashi mid difficulty in scenario one but I refrain from commenting on scenario two until you address my concerns.

 

[KidGamer65]

I think you made a typo here considering Kakashi getting Kakashi makes sense. Either you meant Yamato, Sai or didn't mean to include anyone else. Also is this beginning of part two Sakura or War Arc Sakura?

Sasuke beats Kakashi mid difficulty in scenario one but I refrain from commenting on scenario two until you address my concerns.

I meant Sai, and it's definitely Beginning of Part 2 Sakura.

 

[blazekev90]

I meant Sai, and it's definitely Beginning of Part 2 Sakura.

Does Naruto have control of the Kyuubi? Or will be be a danger to everyone, including his team?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Does Naruto have control of the Kyuubi? Or will be be a danger to everyone, including his team?

In anything under 4TK he shouldn't be any danger to his team unless they're in his way or too close to him while he's attacking

 

[blazekev90]

In anything under 4TK he shouldn't be any danger to his team unless they're in his way or too close to him while he's attacking

In order for them to defeat Sasuke, they'll need to use collaborative effort. Sakura would be probably be dead weight in that given situation since all rely on CQC. However, she'll lack the speed/reflexes to avoid Naruto's backlash.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

In order for them to defeat Sasuke, they'll need to use collaborative effort. Sakura would be probably be dead weight in that given situation since all rely on CQC. However, she'll lack the speed/reflexes to avoid Naruto's backlash.

She was dead weight the first time. That doesn't change here lol

She got wrecked after taking 2 steps towards the fight

 

[blazekev90]

She was dead weight the first time. That doesn't change here lol

She got wrecked after taking 2 steps towards the fight

I considered her being a mental distraction. However, Naruto would be a risk to everyone. Kakashi would have to worry about Sakura. Sai would be TKO'd by genjutsu.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

I considered her being a mental distraction. However, Naruto would be a risk to everyone. Kakashi would have to worry about Sakura. Sai would be TKO'd by genjutsu.

Your still not explaining why he's a risk. As long as they don't jump in the way of his attack they're fine

Sakura can stay back while Kakashi and Sai are skirting around 3TK Naruto attacking Sasuke. Sasuke isn't doing anything to anyone with 3TK Naruto, Sai, and Kakashi fighting him all at once. He doesn't have a chance in hell against Naruto and Kakashi alone, forget Sai.

 

[blazekev90]

Your still not explaining why he's a risk. As long as they don't jump in the way of his attack they're fine

Sakura can stay back while Kakashi and Sai are skirting around 3TK Naruto attacking Sasuke. Sasuke isn't doing anything to anyone with 3TK Naruto, Sai, and Kakashi fighting him all at once. He doesn't have a chance in hell against Naruto and Kakashi alone, forget Sai.

At that stage, early part 2, Naruto acted instinctively. He had little to no control of his actions whatsoever when relying on Kyuubi's chakra. We witness this with his pursue with Deidara. He'd either dart out at Sasuke, making himself an easy KO or would become unstable in the process

Why is he a risk you ask? Character depiction. I don't think you can show me a point where he was in good control.

Base Naruto and early part 2 Kakshi could very well lose to Hebi Sasuke.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

At that stage, early part 2, Naruto acted instinctively. He had little to no control of his actions whatsoever when relying on Kyuubi's chakra. We witness this with his pursue with Deidara. He'd either dart out at Sasuke, making himself an easy KO or would become unstable in the process

Why is he a risk you ask? Character depiction. I don't think you can show me a point where he was in good control.

Base Naruto and early part 2 Kakshi could very well lose to Hebi Sasuke.

Your first paragraph is completely baseless. I'd love to hear how he's an easy KO for Sasuke when he blitzed Orochimaru in 1TK and ripped off his arm with 3TK. He wasn't an easy KO for Oro and he won't be for Sasuke, ridiculous notion at best.

If he becomes unstable then he's likely turning into 4TK, at that point his team drops back and Naruto annihaltes Sasuke.

You need actually start explaining how any of this helps Sasuke win, because you've brought literally nothing to the table other than Sakura sucks and Naruto acts beastial in Tailed forms.

 

[blazekev90]

Your first paragraph is completely baseless. I'd love to hear how he's an easy KO for Sasuke when he blitzed Orochimaru in 1TK and ripped off his arm with 3TK. He wasn't an easy KO for Oro and he won't be for Sasuke, ridiculous notion at best.

If he becomes unstable then he's likely turning into 4TK, at that point his team drops back and Naruto annihaltes Sasuke.

You need actually start explaining how any of this helps Sasuke win, because you've brought literally nothing to the table.

Lol you're comparing careless Orochimaru to Sasuke? For one, Orochimaru didn't display the reflexes Sasuke had during the time. Secondly, Sasuke has sharingan. Baseless? I think not.

Yes, they casually back off and watch Naruto destroy himself. That's the team spirit.

Ironically, we're discussing something Sasuke has, one might say "surpressed" once already in the manga. We've also witnessed Naruto fall to genjutsu multiple times, unknowingly.

Brought nothing to the table? I asked for clarification because we've seen 4tk attack comrades. You jumped in something that didn't involve you guy.

So, as I said, base Naruto and Kakashi could very well lose. According to you, Sakura and Sai are non-factors. Now, if that's what you want to discuss, that can very well happen. I've already said why Naruto would be more harmful than helpful in his efforts. But without that, he's rather useless.

 

[EZQ]

Pre Pain Arc Kakashi has no Kamui feat that'd put his Kamui above what was shown against Deidara

Kakashi said in the immortals arc, that if Naruto and Yamato hadn't arrived, he would have used Kamui against Kakuzu. He was going to use Kamui on such a big attack from a very short distance at last moment. That would be > His feats against Deidara.

 

[EZQ]

Lmao at prince charles Obito's quote