Sasuke vs Kakashi

[TheAnds]

What are you talking about that little skirmish that they had at samuri bridge surprised kakashi. had naruto not stepped in he might have died right then and there..tru sasuke may have blind afterwards but that was about to be ugly. And we are forgetting the lightening dragon that he can produce that kakashi hasn't seen

come on dude...
the lightning dragon was only able to sasuke beacuse he knew that the black fire from his brother would be spreat all over the place to heat up the sky. and make it possible to make the dragon... he cant rely on that f****g dragon in a battle...
and... the part where naruto jumped in, was a hit to sakura not kakashi...

 

[KidGamer65]

Amaterasu.

 

[EZQ]

I think that sasuke wins high diff. But this doesn't implie that kakashi doesn't have chance at all, a blood lusted kakashi could warp him if he uses kamui faster than sasuke activates hisamaterasu (susanoo wouldn't work, since i've prooved before that kakashi can warp a whole susanoo)

 

[the last shinobi]

I think that sasuke wins high diff. But this doesn't implie that kakashi doesn't have chance at all, a blood lusted kakashi could warp him if he uses kamui faster than sasuke activates hisamaterasu (susanoo wouldn't work, since i've prooved before that kakashi can warp a whole susanoo)

Without the the cloak I think that will be the ONLY justu he can do if he can catch sasuke in. If haven't noticed any of Sasukes fights he usually attcks first so Kakashi would be on the defensive and you saw how useful Kamui was to him last time after one use he was as worn out as Sasuke and he just fought Danzo

 

[Unorthodox]

restrictioning sasuke for what? he still wins susanoo>kamui

 

[FatalChakra]

This one is a hard one but Probably Sasuke

 

[Bogard]

Doton > Susanoo
Kamui > Amaterasu
Sasuke has no counter for Kamui, Kakashi wins

 

[assassin]

Depends on who activates their eye techniques first.could go either way.one with greater reflexes wins this one

 

[Unorthodox]

Doton > Susanoo
Kamui > Amaterasu
Sasuke has no counter for Kamui, Kakashi wins

no kamui does not > ama when he amas his face he cant kamui what he cant see also ribcage susanoo > any donton attack from kakashi

 

[shelke]

Kakashi loses this fairly easily. He has shown no speed feats to counter Amaterasu or genjutsu. If he looks at the feet to avoid Sasuke's Tskuyomi, he is fried with Amaterasu. If he does exactly the opposite, he's fried regardless and is completely open to Genjutsu. It's a lose lose situation for him. Not to meintion this Kamui > Amaterasu point is so pure rubbish. If that was the case, Obito would have used it to suck in the flames. He's still tiers above Kakashi in this regard.

His dotons are tanked with Enton arrows. His Raikiri is tanked by CS, which is his strongest Raiton attack. Magatama can be thrown at his Kamui and Sasuke can take opportunity of the fatigue he immediately feels after Kamui usage.

EMS Sasuke wins low-mid difference.

 

[KidGamer65]

Doton > Susanoo
Kamui > Amaterasu
Sasuke has no counter for Kamui, Kakashi wins

Amaterasu spawns on Kakashi, he can't see it so he can't warp it.

Doton>Susanoo? In which universe?

 

[Bogard]

Amaterasu spawns on Kakashi, he can't see it so he can't warp it.

Doton>Susanoo? In which universe?

Kamui>Amaterasu simply because it's a warping ability and the vortex position can be controlled depending on Kakashi's will, which means that even if Amaterasu touched him, he could simply put the vortex around his position to warp the flames. It's a similar method he used to warp himself in or out of Kamui dimension. Both Obito and him even already warped Amaterasu flames in canon, so there is nothing to debate against here. Furthermore in the contrary of Sasuke, Kakashi is a bunshin specialist, so Kakashi has many ways to go around Amaterasu when Sasuke has no counter for Kamui.

And yes doton > Susanoo. Explain to me how Susanoo reaches Kakashi when he is underground or when he is hiding behind his doton wall? Explain to me how Sasuke protects himself inside Susanoo when we know that underground is his weakness and Kakashi has a doton jutsu that helps to travel underground?

 

[shelke]

^ If Amaterasu touched him, he'd Kamui it? Are you freaking kidding me? Obito NEVER warped the flames, he used Izanagi as his clothes were unaffected when he reappeared from behind the shadows. Doton what?

- Sasuke is able to sense objects behind solid hindrances:

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- As Sharingan gives colour to Chakra, Sasuke could see the mines even if they were underground.

How is he hiding underground then? Sasuke can simple use Enton arrows to pierce through the Doton wall. I keep seeing this, but how exactly is underground Susano'o's weakness?

 

[Bogard]

^ If Amaterasu touched him, he'd Kamui it? Are you freaking kidding me? Obito NEVER warped the flames, he used Izanagi as his clothes were unaffected when he reappeared from behind the shadows.

No time for Izanagi that requires 5handseals to be used. Kamui is instant. The time to activate Izanagi and he would have been incinerated. He did Kamui Amaterasu exactly like Kakashi did. Further proof of it is that we see no flames after that

- Sasuke is able to sense objects behind solid hindrances:

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- As Sharingan gives colour to Chakra, Sasuke could see the mines even if they were underground.

Itachi can as well, yet he was unable to see thru Kakashi's bunshin feints when he has superior insight in battle than Sasuke. Same goes for Pain

How is he hiding underground then? Sasuke can simple use Enton arrows to pierce through the Doton wall. I keep seeing this, but how exactly is underground Susano'o's weakness?

Useless when you know Kakashi can can freely move underground where he wants, so arrows or enton aren't reaching him except in his dreams maybe

 

[Owarij]

Sasuke summons his susanno and starts spamming arrows, kakashi has already stated they're too fast to defend with handseal jutsu and said his only option is to warp the arrows away with kamui, eventually he'll tire our, can't keep up his ms abilities more than a true heir to the kekke genkai

 

[shelke]

^ I see no burning on his clothes when the flames had engulfed him. He was spitting his lungs out, rolling on the floor. Since it is never shown and his perfecly smooth clothes depict otherwise, your 'it was totally Kamui and we know it for a fact' is just a far-fetched assumption.

Itachi had MS, Sasuke has EMS. EMS is able to see through Mokuton clones even, which are much more complex than Bushins. Your argument is flawed. I know, and that changed what? He can dream of getting inside Susano'o. That part of your posts never make much sense, in fact they make less sense than the other pointers.

 

[Sasuke Teen]

well... sasuske high diff...
kakashi has benn in a lot of battles ( the ninja who copied 1000 technices )
he has been in battle all his life.. plus he know how sasuske attacts, but lack of power..
kakashi + any 1 of the leaf 11 ( minus naruto and sakura ) vs sasuske = sasuke loses high diff

Sasuke is considered as a genius.He defeated danzo who was more experienced than kakashi.Sasuke can kick kakashi's ass anytime.

 

[Bogard]

^ I see no burning on his clothes when the flames had engulfed him. He was spitting his lungs out, rolling on the floor. Since it is never shown and his perfecly smooth clothes depict otherwise, your 'it was totally Kamui and we know it for a fact' is just a far-fetched assumption.

I don't even know what we're trying to debate here when even databook clearly implied it was kamui. I'll check and post the link. Also i notice you missed the part where i said Kakashi also kamui'd amaterasu, so it's already manga canon Kamui > Amaterasu

Itachi had MS, Sasuke has EMS. EMS is able to see through Mokuton clones even, which are much more complex than Bushins. Your argument is flawed. I know, and that changed what? He can dream of getting inside Susano'o. That part of your posts never make much sense, in fact they make less sense than the other pointers.

Giving Madara feats to Sasuke now? Where is it even stated it was EMS that sees thru clones? Madara only pointed the fact he possessed that eye ability and even said he was the only one able to see thru them in the past as a way to say in the various battles they had. It's not like he fought Hashirama with EMS all the time. He had MS before and was already battling Hashirama, so nothing shows that capacity comes from EMS when he even only fought Hashirama with EMS once(at the VOTE) where everyone thought he died. Furthermore, do you realise this thread concern MS Sasuke instead of EMS Sasuke?

Gaara has proven Susanoo's weakness is underground, so i don't know what you mean by flawed when i say Kakashi could easily go thru it with his doton hiding mole

 

[shelke]

@Bogard Since when is general inference and Implication a hard evidence? His clothes should have been burnt badly. Did Kamui fix them as well?

Pure Rubbish argument as usual. Madara clearly states that his 'eyes' - EMS - made him see through the Mokuton clones. THIS is hard evidence. Sharingan's basic detection traits remain the same through all tiers. This has yet to be refuted by the manga. No matter how many times I see this point of yours, it makes ZERO sense and makes you look infinitely desperate to try and score Kakashi a win. It's the same with Minato points.

The only one? Seriously? Who else EVER developed EMS other than Madara? He isn't even aware Sasuke has EMS. The latter is the only person after Madara to climb to this last, and perfect Ocular level the Sharingan has to offer. I still don't see anything that puts weight in this argumentation of yours. It's practically empty.

He has? That's why he got his sand Lightened and then penetrated Susano'o? Why couldn't he accomplish it before? That CS had no legs that time. Truly he has shown it.

 

[Bogard]

@Bogard Since when is general inference and Implication a hard evidence? His clothes should have been burnt badly. Did Kamui fix them as well?

Since when Izanagi repairs damages already made? So far i know, Obito after Izanagi still had no arms against Konan, Danzo still got the wound of Susanoo's arm after he re-activated Izanagi. Izanagi only operate at the moment it's activated, so in that situation, Izanagi would have change nothing especially when we talk about a jutsu that needs 5handseals. What a waste

Pure Rubbish argument as usual.

Talking about yourself? Stop whining when you know you start losing in debates

Madara clearly states that his 'eyes' - EMS - made him see through the Mokuton clones. THIS is hard evidence. Sharingan's basic detection traits remain the same through all tiers. This has yet to be refuted by the manga.

I'm not gonna try to convince you especially when we talk about a feat Sasuke never demonstrated. So it doesn't matter anyway since in versus threads we talk about feats

No matter how many times I see this point of yours, it makes ZERO sense and makes you look infinitely desperate to try and score Kakashi a win. It's the same with Minato points.

Same thing i notice about you concerning Sasuke. Reason why i already know arguing with you is meaningless because of the obvious fanboyism and biased opinion