[VS] Sasuke vs Guy gauntlet

[KidGamer65]

Him throwing someone through it does not mean he destroyed it especially considering he shot like 5 EE's which had no effect on the gudo dama. If a traveling bijuu dama would have smashed Obito into a gudo dama it would break to im sure

Him punching someone through the Gudo Dama means that he generated enough force to break it. So no, Gai does have the power to break the Gudo Dama, thus Sasuke's Susanoo gets wrecked by 5 steps of EE.

And are we implying a standard ass bijuu dama and susnaoo is enough to destroy his PS SMH!.

I'll let you use your brain and figure out what I said, especially since it's right there in plain english.

 

[Unorthodox]

Him punching someone through the Gudo Dama means that he generated enough force to break it. So no, Gai does have the power to break the Gudo Dama, thus Sasuke's Susanoo gets wrecked by 5 steps of EE.

Yet he could not break it with his initial attacks before using Madara's body as a cannon ball so no your wrong as shit. the gudo dama had no prior cracks to it either.

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Nothing happened to the gudo dama at all.


Then add the fact Madara's defense was composed of only 2 gudo dama's while the defense Obito blocked they're attack with was with atleast 4-5 of his gudo dama's

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and this would make since because he only needed 2 to stop a sword slash and a BM smack each

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So clearly he needed all his gudo dama's to stop a bijuu dama which >>>>>>>>> a Smack and a susanoo arrow which has more piercing force then a slash done in mid air.

Madara gudo dama's are stronger but not that much.

I'll let you use your brain and figure out what I said, especially since it's right there in plain english.

Cant say im surprised by this nonsense SMH!

 

[Apêx1]

Although KG is right with the 5th step being capable of smashing the Gudo Dama, I do believe 2 TBB's could do it as well. And those would completely smash the Gudo Dama, in contrast to only taking off half the face and wing of the PS. So if anything, even the 5th step isn't necessarily going to destroy PS. Not sure if this also counts, but seeing how the avatar is also much larger but the TBB is proportionally large, soI'd assume that it has more chakra in it as well (regardless of the quality being much higher). I doubt scaling works here.

 

[Unorthodox]

Although KG is right with the 5th step being capable of smashing the Gudo Dama, I do believe 2 TBB's could do it as well. And those would completely smash the Gudo Dama, in contrast to only taking off half the face and wing of the PS. So if anything, even the 5th step isn't necessarily going to destroy PS. Not sure if this also counts, but seeing how the avatar is also much larger but the TBB is proportionally large, soI'd assume that it has more chakra in it as well (regardless of the quality being much higher). I doubt scaling works here.

i wish you could dislike and like a post at the same time because it would be perfect for your post.

 

[Apêx1]

i wish you could dislike and like a post at the same time because it would be perfect for your post.

Like and then neg, or the other way around lmao

 

[KidGamer65]

Although KG is right with the 5th step being capable of smashing the Gudo Dama, I do believe 2 TBB's could do it as well. And those would completely smash the Gudo Dama, in contrast to only taking off half the face and wing of the PS. So if anything, even the 5th step isn't necessarily going to destroy PS. Not sure if this also counts, but seeing how the avatar is also much larger but the TBB is proportionally large, soI'd assume that it has more chakra in it as well (regardless of the quality being much higher). I doubt scaling works here.

If a Senjutsu Bijuu Dama couldn't completely destroy the Gudo Dama, then there's no reason to believe that 2 regular Bijuu Dama would do just that.

As for the Avatar stuff. The size and the BD scale up together. Take away Hagoromo's power and they all scale back down, together, to the regular sizes. So it'd be the same power.

Yet he could not break it with his initial attacks before using Madara's body as a cannon ball so no your wrong as shit. the gudo dama had no prior cracks to it either.

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Nothing happened to the gudo dama at all.


Then add the fact Madara's defense was composed of only 2 gudo dama's while the defense Obito blocked they're attack with was with atleast 4-5 of his gudo dama's

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and this would make since because he only needed 2 to stop a sword slash and a BM smack each

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So clearly he needed all his gudo dama's to stop a bijuu dama which >>>>>>>>> a Smack and a susanoo arrow which has more piercing force then a slash done in mid air.

Madara gudo dama's are stronger but not that much.



Cant say im surprised by this nonsense SMH!

Those aren't direct hits. Thus they are irrelevant to bring up. Though you do have a point with the number of Gudo Dama being used to make the shield. Madara used 2 while Obito used 3, 4 or 5. And his shield was much larger.

 

[Apêx1]

If a Senjutsu Bijuu Dama couldn't completely destroy the Gudo Dama, then there's no reason to believe that 2 regular Bijuu Dama would do just that.

As for the Avatar stuff. The size and the BD scale up together. Take away Hagoromo's power and they all scale back down, together, to the regular sizes. So it'd be the same power.

The explosion wouldn't just be 2x bigger, the epicentre would also be much more powerful. If it cracked it last time wit just 1 then it'll definitely destroy it with 2.

Yes, but the size scales up due to the increased chakra control. You can't account for that with power-scaling, you could only account for it if only the quality aspect of the chakra was changed, and thus you'd take away that quality and be back at square 1. With the increase in amount of chakra it would mean taking away the quality of the Rikudo chakra would still result in a bigger TBB, since chakra control doesn't affect PS's or BM's durability but can affect the chakra moulding rate of TBB.

 

[KidGamer65]

The explosion wouldn't just be 2x bigger, the epicentre would also be much more powerful. If it cracked it last time wit just 1 then it'll definitely destroy it with 2.

Except Senjutsu Bijuu Dama>>Regular Bijuu Dama. So no, there is no reason 2 BD will do what a far stronger type of BD failed to do. At best they'll do similar damage. Not vaporize the entire shield.

Yes, but the size scales up due to the increased chakra control. You can't account for that with power-scaling, you could only account for it if only the quality aspect of the chakra was changed, and thus you'd take away that quality and be back at square 1. With the increase in amount of chakra it would mean taking away the quality of the Rikudo chakra would still result in a bigger TBB, since chakra control doesn't affect PS's or BM's durability but can affect the chakra moulding rate of TBB.

First sentence is baseless and irrelevant. The fact that it sized up is why the ball is proportionally larger, thus that is why it's stronger. Chakra quality has nothing to do with that aspect so most of this post doesn't even matter. Why it sized up is irrelevant. Second of all, chakra control has nothing to do with it sizing up. It sized up because Naruto and Sasuke's powers are enhanced due to Hagoromo's power. Just how Sasuke's V3 Susanoo sized up when he got Kurama's chakra.

Take away Hagoromo's power and their Avatars downsize to regular size, and the quality of their attacks downsize to regular strength. Thus regular BM Naruto's BD is proportionally equal to RSM Naruto's standard BD.

And btw, unorthodox, Madara started off with 9 Gudo Dama, and shot 5 at Gai and used the rest to make his shield. 9-5=4, thus Madara used around 4 balls to make his shield just like Obito, thus my point still stands. Evening Elephant rapes Sasuke's Susanoo.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Lebron James to 3-peat this year.

 

[Apêx1]

Except Senjutsu Bijuu Dama>>Regular Bijuu Dama. So no, there is no reason 2 BD will do what a far stronger type of BD failed to do. At best they'll do similar damage. Not vaporize the entire shield.



First sentence is baseless and irrelevant. The fact that it sized up is why the ball is proportionally larger, thus that is why it's stronger. Chakra quality has nothing to do with that aspect so most of this post doesn't even matter. Why it sized up is irrelevant. Second of all, chakra control has nothing to do with it sizing up. It sized up because Naruto and Sasuke's powers are enhanced due to Hagoromo's power. Just how Sasuke's V3 Susanoo sized up when he got Kurama's chakra.

Take away Hagoromo's power and their Avatars downsize to regular size, and the quality of their attacks downsize to regular strength. Thus regular BM Naruto's BD is proportionally equal to RSM Naruto's standard BD.

And btw, unorthodox, Madara started off with 9 Gudo Dama, and shot 5 at Gai and used the rest to make his shield. 9-5=4, thus Madara used around 4 balls to make his shield just like Obito, thus my point still stands. Evening Elephant rapes Sasuke's Susanoo.

Hmm you're right about that, didn't take into account the Senjutsu boost Sasuke's PS had. However, I'd still argue that Madara's Gudo Dama was potentially weaker then what Juubito's had set-up as Unorthodox said. To say Juubito didn't use more then 4 for the TBB and arrow is just speculation and somewhat far-fetched. Juubito seems to have used at least 4 gudo dama to block the TBB+arrow, but again, I can't see your comparison standing since it doesn't necessarily deem itself true due to the ambiguity of it.

Again, you'd be right if chakra control made Susano stronger as well. Since chakra control increases the speed in which TBB can be formed due to the user's ability to use more chakra at a faster speed (I can explain the basics of chakra control if you want, think Kurama forming a TBB the same size the other 9 Bijuu's could form together by himself with the same speed), TBB can be larger as the standard BD. Chakra control improving is as a result of the Rikudo boost, it increases TBB's overall power but does not affect PS's durability one bit. So it would be illogical to downscale seeing how the variables don't add up when downscaling, imo.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hmm you're right about that, didn't take into account the Senjutsu boost Sasuke's PS had. However, I'd still argue that Madara's Gudo Dama was potentially weaker then what Juubito's had set-up as Unorthodox said. To say Juubito didn't use more then 4 for the TBB and arrow is just speculation and somewhat far-fetched. Juubito seems to have used at least 4 gudo dama to block the TBB+arrow, but again, I can't see your comparison standing since it doesn't necessarily deem itself true due to the ambiguity of it.

Again, you'd be right if chakra control made Susano stronger as well. Since chakra control increases the speed in which TBB can be formed due to the user's ability to use more chakra at a faster speed (I can explain the basics of chakra control if you want, think Kurama forming a TBB the same size the other 9 Bijuu's could form together by himself with the same speed), TBB can be larger as the standard BD. Chakra control improving is as a result of the Rikudo boost, it increases TBB's overall power but does not affect PS's durability one bit. So it would be illogical to downscale seeing how the variables don't add up when downscaling, imo.

All we see is Obito use 4-5 Gudo Dama. The difference in power isn't large enough to completely negate the argument. All it means is that instead of doing heavy damage to Sasuke's PS, it does moderate damage until it breaks through.

Chakra control not making the Susanoo itself stronger is irrelevant (And no, I know very well what chakra control is and how it works). I just explained that. The size is why it's stronger. Not sure why you are trying to bring chakra control in here when it doesn't matter. Don't mention it, cause you are just going to end up confusing us both.

-Sasuke's PS increases in size from what it was pre EMS, thus it's durability increases.
-Naruto's Avatar increases in size from what it was pre Rikudo, thus it's durability increases. Due to the increase in size, the standard BD that Naruto forms is also larger than it was when he used BM alone.

Durability increases when size increases because there is more chakra that you have to break past. Chakra control has nothing to do with anything here. Not even sure you got chakra control as a factor from, when chakra control is not why Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars increased in size, nor is it why Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama is larger, because BM Naruto had the ability to make Bijuu Dama larger than that. It's only larger in proportion to his original standard, not larger compared to the rest. So he doesn't need boosted chakra control to use that.

 

[Apêx1]

All we see is Obito use 4-5 Gudo Dama. The difference in power isn't large enough to completely negate the argument. All it means is that instead of doing heavy damage to Sasuke's PS, it does moderate damage until it breaks through.

Yes, that's what we see, but we can't make the assumption that he didn't use more and outright claim it was 4-5 because that's all we saw in that particular angle. You can't use an ambiguous scan as a comparison, that's like x amount of regular Rasengan's destroying a v3 Susano but us only seeing 10 of them being used from a certain angle, so said arguer claims only ~10 are required to destroy the v3 Susano. Not how it works.

Chakra control not making the Susanoo itself stronger is irrelevant (And no, I know very well what chakra control is and how it works). I just explained that. The size is why it's stronger. Not sure why you are trying to bring chakra control in here when it doesn't matter. Don't mention it, cause you are just going to end up confusing us both.

-Sasuke's PS increases in size from what it was pre EMS, thus it's durability increases.
-Naruto's Avatar increases in size from what it was pre Rikudo, thus it's durability increases. Due to the increase in size, the standard BD that Naruto forms is also larger than it was when he used BM alone.

Durability increases when size increases because there is more chakra that you have to break past. Chakra control has nothing to do with anything here. Not even sure you got chakra control as a factor from, when chakra control is not why Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars increased in size, nor is it why Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama is larger, because BM Naruto had the ability to make Bijuu Dama larger than that. It's only larger in proportion to his original standard, not larger compared to the rest. So he doesn't need boosted chakra control to use that.

Alright seems like you're right here

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes, that's what we see, but we can't make the assumption that he didn't use more and outright claim it was 4-5 because that's all we saw in that particular angle. You can't use an ambiguous scan as a comparison, that's like x amount of regular Rasengan's destroying a v3 Susano but us only seeing 10 of them being used from a certain angle, so said arguer claims only ~10 are required to destroy the v3 Susano. Not how it works.

Except in that case we know for a fact that those Rasengan were being used. Whether or not we saw them hit the Susanoo is irrelevant. You don't see all of Obito's Gudo Dama being used, so what reason do you have to believe that he used all of them?

 

[Apêx1]

Except in that case we know for a fact that those Rasengan were being used. Whether or not we saw them hit the Susanoo is irrelevant. You don't see all of Obito's Gudo Dama being used, so what reason do you have to believe that he used all of them?

Again, your line of thinking is wrong. Only because that's the number of Gudo Dama we saw being used doesn't mean those were all the Gudo Dama used. If you want to claim it's similar to the Madara case then the burden of proof is on you, and clearly, you can't prove that he didn't use any more. It's not a viable scan for reference in this case. I'm not saying he necessarily used all of them, but more GD is still enough to change everything.

 

[KidGamer65]

Again, your line of thinking is wrong. Only because that's the number of Gudo Dama we saw being used doesn't mean those were all the Gudo Dama used. If you want to claim it's similar to the Madara case then the burden of proof is on you, and clearly, you can't prove that he didn't use any more. It's not a viable scan for reference in this case. I'm not saying he necessarily used all of them, but more GD is still enough to change everything.

When there is literally no evidence to suggest that he used more, yes, that's all I need. Your argument is basically "he had more Gudo Dama, thus he must have used more than was shown" despite there being literally no good reason for you to believe otherwise.

 

[Apêx1]

When there is literally no evidence to suggest that he used more, yes, that's all I need. Your argument is basically "he had more Gudo Dama, thus he must have used more than was shown" despite there being literally no good reason for you to believe otherwise.

That's not how it works. I don't know how many times I have to tell you that to make a comparison the burden of proof is on you to show all the variables are the same. If they aren't then there is no standing comparison. You can't make a comparison based on potential similarity, you either prove all the variables are the same or don't make the comparison in the first place. Period.

 

[Tarinth]

So Sasuke doesn't even have access to shunshin? I'm not sure if having the EMS pre-cog counts.
I'm just going to leave Sasuke with it though.

Gai is a taijutsu master, even without the gates though. I don't forsee Sasuke beating Gai with only
kenjutsu past 1 Gate.

After that, it just becomes an increasingly huge stomp in Gai's favor.

 

[Unorthodox]

If a Senjutsu Bijuu Dama couldn't completely destroy the Gudo Dama, then there's no reason to believe that 2 regular Bijuu Dama would do just that.

As for the Avatar stuff. The size and the BD scale up together. Take away Hagoromo's power and they all scale back down, together, to the regular sizes. So it'd be the same power.



Those aren't direct hits. Thus they are irrelevant to bring up. Though you do have a point with the number of Gudo Dama being used to make the shield. Madara used 2 while Obito used 3, 4 or 5. And his shield was much larger.

Direct Hits or not would not matter 1 direct ee does not > 5. Then add the fact Madara was coughing up blood when getting hit with 5 while he was laughing after getting punch directly.

Ill take the rest as a concession.

And btw, unorthodox, Madara started off with 9 Gudo Dama, and shot 5 at Gai and used the rest to make his shield. 9-5=4, thus Madara used around 4 balls to make his shield just like Obito, thus my point still stands. Evening Elephant rapes Sasuke's Susanoo.

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clearly only 2 gudo dama's being used you even count the ones not being utilized.

 

[KidGamer65]

Direct Hits or not would not matter 1 direct ee does not > 5. Then add the fact Madara was coughing up blood when getting hit with 5 while he was laughing after getting punch directly.

Ill take the rest as a concession.



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clearly only 2 gudo dama's being used you even count the ones not being utilized.

Obviously not talking about that shield dumbass. :lol And Gai didn't hit the same shield more than once, so 1 direct ee not being stronger than 5 doesn't matter. Then there's the fact that you can't even prove the bold. Not gonna bother arguing with you though. Waste of my time.

 

[Unorthodox]

Obviously not talking about that shield dumbass. :lol And Gai didn't hit the same shield more than once, so 1 direct ee not being stronger than 5 doesn't matter. Then there's the fact that you can't even prove the bold. Not gonna bother arguing with you though. Waste of my time.

Better not be lol. Gai did not hit the shield more than once? he shot EE in every direction to hit Madara then add the fact that the width of the EE's was much larger then the shield all of those hits clearly landed on his gudo dama defense.

1 Direct EE being stronger than five does matter especially since that's whats your implying here. Prove the bold? hmmm so hard just looking at Madara you can see he took much more damage from the waves then the punch especially being hit with so many.

Not going to waste me time that line gets me every time Just concede already i never knew it was that hard to admit defeat.

Obito's Defense had more Gudo damas in use much larger. Then add the fact that the same attack would not even destroy Sasuke's Perfect susanoo either BM Avatar took a juubi laser which > a standard small bijuu dama from BSM Naruto plus a puny Susanoo arrow its tanked so easily.