Sasuke vs Deidara Sasori & kakazu

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Counter to Susano'o

Kakuzu is able to counter Susano'o in many ways as his arsenal is moreover perfect for exploiting the true meaning of which Itachi himself has given:

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The first way in which Kakuzu is able to defeat Susano'o is by using the well known "pull the user from under Susano'o". Now Kakuzu can do this numerous of ways, or he can combine a tactic of two techniques to successfully disable Susano'os use within his battle. Here it was seen Gaara processed/implemented the underground maneuver to pull Madara out of his Susano'o:

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The combined force of Jiongu's detachment capabilities (making body parts go underground, then resurface):

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And Kakuzu's Katon mask's ability: Zukokku:

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The Susano'o user's foot-holding would be burned to nothing in which their underside would be non-existent, in which would leave an opening for Jiongu's capabilities to take a hold of the Susano'o user, and possibly bind their movement restricting them from movement. Within this happening the deployed arm would take a hold of the Susano'o users leg(s), and pull them from under or directly out of Susano'o.


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The second way in which Kakuzu can completely counter, and defeat Susano'o is through Elemental Ninjutsu, with the addition that Susano'o is going through transformation. Why exactly do I say Elemental Ninjutsu + Susano'o going through transformation stages would enable Kakuzu to secure a scenario of defeating a Susano'o user is because.. Danzo. Danzo's direct analysis within his fight against Sasuke gave away that exposed parts on Susano'o can be used to triumph:

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And another shot of the gap formerly shown in Susano'o is within Itachi's as well:

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With that being said/shown I'll move on to the Elemental Ninjutsu part. Kakuzu has the most elemental affinities within the Manga as to date, and he was said to be quite proficient in the use of his 4 elements, in which he is able to combine the natures together to form a power triple affinity attack:

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So with a combined force (singular attack), or multiple assaults with different elements. Some may argue that any Susano'o user would protect their exposed spinal cord (the gap) when going through the transformation stages, and that is true. However, with the capabilities of Kakuzu's mask able to go aerial, and the fact that the Susano'o user would have to fend against 3 aerial masks, and Kakuzu himself one could only concur that the Susano'o user would succumb to the multiple attacks, and have their gap penetrated:

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Susano'o stands no chance in the presence of a true monster such as Kakuzu..


Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu | Exploit #3

Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.

Or Kakuzu could simply integrate/deploy his hearts within his body causing the Genjutsu to refute.​

What else is there to counter?
 

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Counter to Susano'o

Kakuzu is able to counter Susano'o in many ways as his arsenal is moreover perfect for exploiting the true meaning of which Itachi himself has given:

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The first way in which Kakuzu is able to defeat Susano'o is by using the well known "pull the user from under Susano'o". Now Kakuzu can do this numerous of ways, or he can combine a tactic of two techniques to successfully disable Susano'os use within his battle. Here it was seen Gaara processed/implemented the underground maneuver to pull Madara out of his Susano'o:

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The combined force of Jiongu's detachment capabilities (making body parts go underground, then resurface):

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And Kakuzu's Katon mask's ability: Zukokku:

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The Susano'o user's foot-holding would be burned to nothing in which their underside would be non-existent, in which would leave an opening for Jiongu's capabilities to take a hold of the Susano'o user, and possibly bind their movement restricting them from movement. Within this happening the deployed arm would take a hold of the Susano'o users leg(s), and pull them from under or directly out of Susano'o.


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The second way in which Kakuzu can completely counter, and defeat Susano'o is through Elemental Ninjutsu, with the addition that Susano'o is going through transformation. Why exactly do I say Elemental Ninjutsu + Susano'o going through transformation stages would enable Kakuzu to secure a scenario of defeating a Susano'o user is because.. Danzo. Danzo's direct analysis within his fight against Sasuke gave away that exposed parts on Susano'o can be used to triumph:

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And another shot of the gap formerly shown in Susano'o is within Itachi's as well:

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With that being said/shown I'll move on to the Elemental Ninjutsu part. Kakuzu has the most elemental affinities within the Manga as to date, and he was said to be quite proficient in the use of his 4 elements, in which he is able to combine the natures together to form a power triple affinity attack:

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So with a combined force (singular attack), or multiple assaults with different elements. Some may argue that any Susano'o user would protect their exposed spinal cord (the gap) when going through the transformation stages, and that is true. However, with the capabilities of Kakuzu's mask able to go aerial, and the fact that the Susano'o user would have to fend against 3 aerial masks, and Kakuzu himself one could only concur that the Susano'o user would succumb to the multiple attacks, and have their gap penetrated:

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Susano'o stands no chance in the presence of a true monster such as Kakuzu..


Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu | Exploit #3

Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

You must be registered for see images


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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.

Or Kakuzu could simply integrate/deploy his hearts within his body causing the Genjutsu to refute.​

What else is there to counter?

Lel. /thread .
 

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Alright then this is more difficult if he can in fact use Susano for a while, but non the less Whats sasuke's counter to the iron sand even if he can see it.. With deidara's mines all around Sasuke really cant avoid the sand either..
Sasuke can counter normal sand using his enton flames like he did against Gaara. .Notice how enton made a dent in the sand the chances of this happening to iron sand is slim but if enton flame can push back sand it may most likely push the iron version as well.(assumption basically).Deidara planting mines is more of a harm to his teammates instead of Sasuke since 1) Sasuke see's every mine 2) Sasori and Kakuzu don't.If Sasuke really wanted to he could fire arrows at each mine but that would be incredibly irrelevant.
And how would the hawk summoning or aoda prevent the iron sand from killing him?
By getting him away from the sand, the higher Sasuke is the longer it'll take for the sand to reach.During that time interval Sasuke can fire an arrow at Sasori's core.
He cant raiton the mines when he has no clue where they are?
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His counter before was Having deidara fall on them .. which he wont be able to do here
Arrows can set off each mine which foils Deidara's plans.I've already explained how the mines can hinder his teammates performance.
Ya i knew deidara could use Hiding like a mole XD which is why i said dont say he needs tobi, and i said Sasori and Kakuzu would be distracting Sasuke .. so he really wont get a chance to kill Deidara,
A) Deidara cannot dodge amaterasu B) Sasori and kakuzu won't be able to distract Sasuke long enough or before Sasuke attacks deidara.

Not true about Kakuzu being the only distraction .. Iron sand and 100 puppet technique are actually rather good distractions.
You mean for Sasori to go into his ass and pull out a scroll to then summon 100 puppets? during that whole time Sasuke can fire arrows or use amaterasu.

Uchiha can controll amertarasu after its released 0.o i knew they could negate it but i did not know they decide its movements.


And just because Sasuke can see chakra does not mean he would assume its the only way to kill Sasori? .. He has no clue hes a puppet, He sees a giant clump of chakra does not mean hed aim for it.
Sasuke will use it as the target, its common sense to aim at the heart anyway.Sasuke heck not even Naruto is that dense not to notice something that absurd.


@One of DP's point- Those chakra arms can be seen underground thanks to Sasuke's sharingan if anything Sasuke will be aware of what's going on.

Thank you DP and Zexion for actually posting why Team 2 would win.
 
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Amaterasu one-shots Deidara and Kakuzu. Sosori might stand a chance if he will be fast enough to escape from Hiruko, but still... Sasuke takes this.
 

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I like how everyone on this site (outside Proof, AkatsukiChurch and a few others) thinks any Akatsuki member who's not Nagato Obito or Itachi is below Moegi's/Udon's level
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I like how everyone on this site (outside Proof, AkatsukiChurch and a few others) thinks any Akatsuki member who's not Nagato Obito or Itachi is below Moegi's/Udon's level
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No, it's just Sasuke is stronger than them, but that doesn't mean they're weak.

Aren't you that Itachi wanker who made the thread about Itachi being stronger than most Kages in history?
 

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I like how everyone on this site (outside Proof, AkatsukiChurch and a few others) thinks any Akatsuki member who's not Nagato Obito or Itachi is below Moegi's/Udon's level
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Nobody said this, but Sasuke is just much stronger.
 

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I like how everyone on this site (outside Proof, AkatsukiChurch and a few others) thinks any Akatsuki member who's not Nagato Obito or Itachi is below Moegi's/Udon's level
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Nobody said this.. Sasuke is just stronger than them, that's all.
 

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Only one trying to refute opposition is Tim Jamison..
 

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Counter to Susano'o

Kakuzu is able to counter Susano'o in many ways as his arsenal is moreover perfect for exploiting the true meaning of which Itachi himself has given:

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The first way in which Kakuzu is able to defeat Susano'o is by using the well known "pull the user from under Susano'o". Now Kakuzu can do this numerous of ways, or he can combine a tactic of two techniques to successfully disable Susano'os use within his battle. Here it was seen Gaara processed/implemented the underground maneuver to pull Madara out of his Susano'o:

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The combined force of Jiongu's detachment capabilities (making body parts go underground, then resurface):

You must be registered for see images


And Kakuzu's Katon mask's ability: Zukokku:

You must be registered for see images


The Susano'o user's foot-holding would be burned to nothing in which their underside would be non-existent, in which would leave an opening for Jiongu's capabilities to take a hold of the Susano'o user, and possibly bind their movement restricting them from movement. Within this happening the deployed arm would take a hold of the Susano'o users leg(s), and pull them from under or directly out of Susano'o.


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The second way in which Kakuzu can completely counter, and defeat Susano'o is through Elemental Ninjutsu, with the addition that Susano'o is going through transformation. Why exactly do I say Elemental Ninjutsu + Susano'o going through transformation stages would enable Kakuzu to secure a scenario of defeating a Susano'o user is because.. Danzo. Danzo's direct analysis within his fight against Sasuke gave away that exposed parts on Susano'o can be used to triumph:

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And another shot of the gap formerly shown in Susano'o is within Itachi's as well:

You must be registered for see images


With that being said/shown I'll move on to the Elemental Ninjutsu part. Kakuzu has the most elemental affinities within the Manga as to date, and he was said to be quite proficient in the use of his 4 elements, in which he is able to combine the natures together to form a power triple affinity attack:

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So with a combined force (singular attack), or multiple assaults with different elements. Some may argue that any Susano'o user would protect their exposed spinal cord (the gap) when going through the transformation stages, and that is true. However, with the capabilities of Kakuzu's mask able to go aerial, and the fact that the Susano'o user would have to fend against 3 aerial masks, and Kakuzu himself one could only concur that the Susano'o user would succumb to the multiple attacks, and have their gap penetrated:

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Susano'o stands no chance in the presence of a true monster such as Kakuzu..


Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu | Exploit #3

Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

You must be registered for see images


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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

You must be registered for see images


You must be registered for see images


His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

You must be registered for see images


To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.

Or Kakuzu could simply integrate/deploy his hearts within his body causing the Genjutsu to refute.​

What else is there to counter?

This is good and all, but you didn't mention amaterasu at all, something which is something sasuke uses first in his battle.
Kakuzu wouldn't even get to this point at all.

Sasuke comes in , aims at kakuzu and he is burnt.
As you have mentioned, kakuzu have 4 in his speed stat so obviously he don't have good enough speed feats to dodge amaterasu.
Same logic applies to deidara.

Basically in this match, Sasuke starts off with aiming amaterasu at everyone.
Sasori might survive it but others wont, unless sasori gets to start with 3rd kakzekage prior to the battle.
 

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This is good and all, but you didn't mention amaterasu at all, something which is something sasuke uses first in his battle.
Kakuzu wouldn't even get to this point at all.

Sasuke comes in , aims at kakuzu and he is burnt.
As you have mentioned, kakuzu have 4 in his speed stat so obviously he don't have good enough speed feats to dodge amaterasu.
Same logic applies to deidara.

Basically in this match, Sasuke starts off with aiming amaterasu at everyone.
Sasori might survive it but others wont, unless sasori gets to start with 3rd kakzekage prior to the battle.

I was working on Amaterasu :( Let me finish.
 
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