[VS] Sasuke & Suigetsu vs Kakashi & Tsunade?

[pateuvasiliu]

Yep, I forgot to add them. So we've got 4 people who can dodge it, out of them: 1 is dead, 1 is dying and 2 are actually the same one. CSB


That's the most lame excuse I've ever heard, yet you still haven't answered me: according to what you said: Kakashi > Madara Because Madara cannot dodge Kamui with Susano'o .. still so sure?



It defends even against Jinton, so no problem defending Kamui. Kakshi can aim wherever he wants, yet the attack will not pass the Susano'o (The Susano'o is called the perfect defense, there has been no evidence of Kamui breaking through it like you're trying to state.)


I never said the attack will be blocked. All i said is that Kakashi can aim Sasuke on the inside of Susano'o, yet the Susano'o will take the hit.


Now you're just being rude.


Yes, and No - Kakashi isn't stupid enough to watch, but he'll be tired enough, and how many times will he by using kamui? He won't be able to move so fast, and will have to rest or hide.
Do me a favor: Kakashi < Jirayia (that's obvious, if you disagree - go watch Pokemon), And Jirayia is about the same level as Tsunade. If x < y and y = z, what do we get? x < z, basic math bro!
So we got Kakashi < Tsunade. end of story.


Deal with it.

:~)

I think my IQ dropped reading this.

Susanoo isn't stopping Kamui because Kishi says so.

Kakashi > Jiraiya since Jiraiya can't dodge Kamui, nor does he have a shield to protect him - even if it worked - against it.

Also, Tsunade is nowhere near Jiraiya. Base Jiraiya can beat Tsunade. SM Jiraiya stomps her.

It defends even against Jinton, so no problem defending Kamui.

Jinton is ninjutsu. Kamui is S/T.

 

[TheItachiUchiha]

I'll say it again, you're all SEVERELY underestimating Suigetsu. Out of all of these ninja, he's the hardest to kill. May i remind you guys he survived this

Spoiler

[video=youtube;4eElI8UrVMA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eElI8UrVMA[/video]

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Of course he did. Bijuudama is an explosion/heavy projectile.

A raikiri kills him though.

 

[Brooks]

Uhm no?

Amaterasu can be Byakugou'd, Kamui'd, Bunshin'd.

There is no defence against Kamui. Sasuke has no bunshins.

Kamui is the ultimate weapon, really.

Wrong, Byakugou is useless when you're body is burning 7 days and 7 nights....please, have more knowledge about the Manga before posting.

And as for the people with low intelligence....Kamui was able to wrap something as big as the Hachibi because of the Kyuubi Chakra and he ain't wrapping the Final Susanoo here.

Sasuke and Suigetsu with mid diff

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[Unorthodox]

Tsunade dies before he chakra burns out she dies or is paralized with pain susanoo does block kamui also the magatama's would own kakashi kamui he isnt warping15 ama projectiles this is how susanoo blocks kamui see if people stand in a line and kakashi looks at them from the front and he uses kamui the 1st person is only getting kamuied susanoo acts as the wall that blocks kamui also sasuke can use genjutsu clones to fool kakashi into one sasuke solos like i said

 

[arielpk]

I think my IQ dropped reading this.

You see, yet again you did not prove any of what I said to be wrong, so you just start insulting. Pretty low man.

Susanoo isn't stopping Kamui because Kishi says so.

Kishi never said so. And as I stated, if Susno'o won't take the hit of Kamui, what is it's worth? So yeah, it's hard to accept, but as I stated many times before, again and again, if kakashi will use Kamui on someone withhin the Susno'o, the Susno'o will take the attack instead of the user. Databook says nothing about it, so don't use that as an excuse. Untill we see another fight between them, there's no proof to your ridiculous claims.

Kakashi > Jiraiya since Jiraiya can't dodge Kamui, nor does he have a shield to protect him - even if it worked - against it.

Jiraiya can use his Needle Jizo to protect himself from most of the attack, and later will kick Kakashi's ass. Besides, he can use Gamadaira Kageayatsuri no Jutsu so that the attack won't hit him, but merely a "pupet" ninja (as seen with Konan) or a kagebunshin. So yep, Kamui isn't that great. I know it's hard for you to admit. But Kakashi < Jiraiya. And as I explained to you about Tsunade's healing: Tsunade > Kakashi. And it makes sense because Jiraiya and Tsunade are on about the same level, both being legenda

Also, Tsunade is nowhere near Jiraiya. Base Jiraiya can beat Tsunade. SM Jiraiya stomps her.

Really? Soon you'll tell me Oro is not S level. LMAO
Really dude, you need to start rewatching/rereading the series.
Now, if you've seen Tsunade's fight against Madara (with the other Kage's), so you cannot actually mean what you said. Tsunade may loose to Jiraiya, but they're on about the same level.

Jinton is ninjutsu. Kamui is S/T.

I don't see why this should break my claim. Susno'o shields its' user, even from attacks like Kamui. Yet Databook says Kamui can't be stoppes, so we reach the conclusion that the Susno'o will take the damage instead of it's user. Pretty simple, I am very surprised why you cannot understand this.
And yet again, I stated many claims and gave you tons of examples and proofs, and you just said "it's in the databook you're gay", so .. sorry to dissappoing you dude, but none of what YOU said proves many any wrong.

;~)

 

[arielpk]

Wrong, Byakugou is useless when you're body is burning 7 days and 7 nights....please, have more knowledge about the Manga before posting.

And as for the people with low intelligence....Kamui was able to wrap something as big as the Hachibi because of the Kyuubi Chakra and he ain't wrapping the Final Susanoo here.

Sasuke and Suigetsu with mid diff

Lol, exactly dude .^

 

[garas56]

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[pateuvasiliu]

Wrong, Byakugou is useless when you're body is burning 7 days and 7 nights....please, have more knowledge about the Manga before posting.

And as for the people with low intelligence....Kamui was able to wrap something as big as the Hachibi because of the Kyuubi Chakra and he ain't wrapping the Final Susanoo here.

Sasuke and Suigetsu with mid diff

I never said Byakugou saves her from dying. It is enough to resist it during the fight, after which Kakashi can kamui it off.

Kishi never said so. And as I stated, if Susno'o won't take the hit of Kamui, what is it's worth? So yeah, it's hard to accept, but as I stated many times before, again and again, if kakashi will use Kamui on someone withhin the Susno'o, the Susno'o will take the attack instead of the user. Databook says nothing about it, so don't use that as an excuse. Untill we see another fight between them, there's no proof to your ridiculous claims.

Even -IF- Susanoo took the hit - and there is no proof to that - the vortex will be created in its middle, right on Sasuke's position. It will -maybe- absorb the center of the Susanoo, after which Sasuke gets absorbed, too.

Also, with Tsunade's chakra, Kakashi can easily absorb Susanoo, too. He can absorb 1/3 of Hachibi by himself and Susanoo is smaller than the Hachibi.

Now, if you've seen Tsunade's fight against Madara (with the other Kage's), so you cannot actually mean what you said.

I mean -EXACTLY- what I said. Tsunade is nowhere near Jiraiya. She is inferior in Chakra level, speed, summons, long range jutsus, genjutsu.

The only thing she has over him is strength and in Sage Mode Jiraiya has some decent strength, too. Her strength is useless when she's slower than him.

So yes, Base Jiraiya beats Tsunade.

SM Jiraiya destroys her.

You can come back and tell me how Tsunade stands the slightest chance against Jiraiya, I'm even willing to debate properly, but I find it hilarious that you think Tsunade is on Jiraiya's level.

She's a medical ninja. A support. She does not belong in 1v1 duels.

 

[arielpk]

I never said Byakugou saves her from dying. It is enough to resist it during the fight, after which Kakashi can kamui it off.

No, it is barely enough to stand up, let alone keep fighting. And just read what you're writing.. if Kakashi will Kamui the Amaterasu, he'll send at least some parts of Tsunade with it, thus injuring her badly, and making her waste tons of Chakra.. You do realize that both Kakashi and Tsunade will loose much chakra out of this, way more then Sasuke, do you?

Even -IF- Susanoo took the hit - and there is no proof to that - the vortex will be created in its middle, right on Sasuke's position. It will -maybe- absorb the center of the Susanoo, after which Sasuke gets absorbed, too.

It's not an if, it's just obvious. The vortex will be small, have you forgotten how small it was when Kakashi used it against Deidara? It won't absorb all of Susano'o nor hurt Sasuke (unless Sasuke'll try suicide).

Also, with Tsunade's chakra, Kakashi can easily absorb Susanoo, too. He can absorb 1/3 of Hachibi by himself and Susanoo is smaller than the Hachibi.

Oh, really? Now you're comparing Tsunade's chakra to the kyubi's chakra. That's absolutely ridiculous.. the more you type, and try to explain your opinion, the more it becomes irretional. sorry bro ^^

I mean -EXACTLY- what I said. Tsunade is nowhere near Jiraiya. She is inferior in Chakra level, speed, summons, long range jutsus, genjutsu.

Inferior in summons? Jiraiya has SM, Tsunade doesn't. But except for that, I don't see how she is inferior to him. Look at Katsuyu, she has much more abilities than Gamabunta. So yeah, in speed she is slower than him, and also in genjutsu. But what about taijutsu? Jiraiya < Tsunade, when it goes for Taijutsu. If you argue with that.. well idk what to say to dude, cause it doesn't look like we're talking about the same anime.

The only thing she has over him is strength and in Sage Mode Jiraiya has some decent strength, too. Her strength is useless when she's slower than him.

So from what you said, removing the fact you're a Tsunade hater, we get that without SM Jiraiya cannot beat Tsunade (And again, I tell you, look at her battle with Madara and other Kages).

So yes, Base Jiraiya beats Tsunade.

No.

SM Jiraiya destroys her.

You really hate Tsunade, don't you?
Oh and no, Jiraiya may win, but with very high diff, and same goes for Tsunade. Do me a favor: re-read the manga.

You can come back and tell me how Tsunade stands the slightest chance against Jiraiya, I'm even willing to debate properly, but I find it hilarious that you think Tsunade is on Jiraiya's level.

So we've got 3 legendary Sanins.. out of which Oro is as strong as Jiraiya, or even more (using Edo Tensei), and now you're telling me that Jiraiya, with no SM is < Tsunade..
What should I tell you? Dude, if you're trolling. stop it here.
If you're not.. well then, bad for you.

She's a medical ninja. A support. She does not belong in 1v1 duels.

LOL DUH she's a medic nin, but from here to stating she's HORRIBLE (as you stated many times above) on 1v1 battles.. I really think you hate her big boobs or something, because what you're saying is just so irretional.
Oh, and since she's a medic nin, haven't it occoured to you that she may heal herself? L.O.L

 

[HungryMaelstrom]

Oh God this discussion is horrible atm.... random nonsensical assumtions and invalid points are being pushed around

Simply put.....

Both teams have HAD their weaknesses EXPLOITED, and their strengths assesed...this shouldn't even be a convo...
suigetsu cannot handle raikiri by anychance, we clearly since his fate when he got one shoted by darui

Sasukes susanoo does not protect him from kamui....

Ametarasu ametarasu ametarasu is sasukes only hope of gaining an upper hand, the whole battle would be strategically cornering sasuke into a kamui to seal the deal, while sasuske spams ametarasu....

Kakashi being tired isn't a problem... against madara tsunade was on offense and was the Med ninja FOR FOUR ****ing people...
Kakashi and tsunade definately have the upper hand.

Btw... Kakashi doesn't have to kamui susanoo as a whole, all he needs is sasuke...

I refuse to even go into anymore detail, this makes no sense...

 

[Champ]

Sasuke & Suigetsu. Sasuke could solo as neither of team 2 could Dodge Susano'o arrows or Amaterasu. Tsunade gets one shorted as Sasuke spams his arrows at Kakashi until he kills him.

 

[arielpk]

suigetsu cannot handle raikiri by anychance, we clearly since his fate when he got one shoted by darui

Really? Suigetsu can't get away from that? And even if he'll get hurt, we've all seen it won't kill him. He'll be paralyzed/weak for a few moments, but I never said Suigetsu > Kakashi, it's obvious Suigetsu < Kakashi, yet all I said was that Suigetsu needs to hold Kakashi off for 10 - 15 mins, enough times for Sasuke to kick Tsunade.

Sasukes susanoo does not protect him from kamui....

Yes it did, just read how I explained it would. You have no counter-proof to what I said, so you cannot claim Kakashi can hurt Sasuke with Kamui.

Ametarasu ametarasu ametarasu is sasukes only hope of gaining an upper hand, the whole battle would be strategically cornering sasuke into a kamui to seal the deal, while sasuske spams ametarasu....

No it's not. Sasuke is fast enough to get away from Kamui, so Kakashi will only waste Chakra. Suigetsu can turn himself into this giant water shape of his, and then Kamui will only hurt a bit of Suigetsu, and will not even kill him. Sasuke has no need to spam Amamerasu, one hit, neither Kakashi nor Tsunade can get away from it.

Kakashi being tired isn't a problem...

Yes it is.. re-watch the Sasuke vs Kakashi after the Sasuke vs Danzo, Sasuke shot a Susno'o-chakra-arrow on Kakashi, and after Kakashi wrapped it with Kamui, he could barely stand, let alone run fast enough to help Sakura. L.o.L

against madara tsunade was on offense and was the Med ninja FOR FOUR ****ing people...

She was medic nin also for herself, or have you forgotten?

Kakashi and tsunade definately have the upper hand.

Ok, now you're just being illogical.

Btw... Kakashi doesn't have to kamui susanoo as a whole, all he needs is sasuke...

Just READ WHAT I SAID, don't spam your kakashi-fanboy ideas without any logic behind them.

I refuse to even go into anymore detail, this makes no sense...

Exactly, you neither countr-proved any of what I said, nor gave me any new "proof" for why Kakshi and Tsunade will win in your opinion.. So yeah, your post makes no sense.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Yes it did, just read how I explained it would. You have no counter-proof to what I said, so you cannot claim Kakashi can hurt Sasuke with Kamui.

Yes, he has. The Databook and the fact that no one ever blocked Kamui before.

You are making a statement countering facts and databooks. It's you that needs to bring proof.

 

[arielpk]

Yes, he has. The Databook and the fact that no one ever blocked Kamui before.

Ok. You are officially retarded (no offence, huh?). The Databook does not, I repeat DOES NOT say anything about what I said. Kakashi can aim whereever he wants, Susano'o will take the hit instead of Sasuke. Otherwise, we'll get Kakashi can Kamui Madara, even with Madara's Susano'o. And another thing is that Sasuke is fast enough to get away from Kamui, which is way slower than Amaterasu, and we've all seen Sasuke can run away from Amaterasu (in the battle vs Itachi).

You are making a statement countering facts and databooks. It's you that needs to bring proof.

No, I do not. It appears you're either replying without reading what I said, or you are really a bit retarded. If it's the second, I kinda feel sorry for you.. =]