[VS] Sasuke & Suigetsu vs Kakashi & Tsunade?

[Strict]

Yes he has. Body warp kamui warps the flame on his body. A clone usage is also a susceptible counter.

Sasuke can also make use of clones, natural counter to Kamui.

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Kamui is faster than Amaterasu. Kakashi doesn't need to bleed himself in the eyes first to use Kamui. This first stage makes the opponent aware of the technique. Sasuke, A, Darui, Shee all of them were already in alert even before Amaterasu was released. In fact an offensive Amaterasu has always been portrayed as a slow technique in comparison to kamui that was so fast that even a self-kamui user with Sharingan precognition and Rinnengan activated noticed nothing at all. Pain even thought Kakashi was killed by his needle. There is a clear gap in speed between both techniques and what is worse is that when Kamui is used, the opponent generally doesn't even notices at all as if the attack was invisible

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- activated instantly. Obito was fast enough to rescue Sasuke from the Jinton, yet got hit by Amaterasu though seeing Sasukes eye bleeding.

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You actually say that Obito, who saw that move coming, wasn't aware of what to do at that moment.


And I don't want to know how often Kurama did spend his Chakra to Kakashi when he touched Naruto or was inside the Chakra cloak..

The nonsense is what you want it to be. It was a surprised attack on Obito since he wasn't prepared to fight but talk calmly while removing his mask. Eventhen, Obito warped the flames, so did Kakashi canonically:

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He will do it again. The location of the barrier can be indicated at will. He simply needs to distort the space around Tsunade and thus warping it into the other dimension

Obito used Izanagi, that's about it. Kakashi probably warped the flames from the surroundings, it's however another story if Tsunades whole body is set in fire and she's even stick to the ground by an arrow. By using Kamui, Kakashi sets the barrier at a target, the target is Tsunades body.

But yeah, Kakashi can waste his Chakra to remove flames from his allies bodies, to absorb Amaterasu Magatamas and arrows, though he collapses after a few.

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Tsunade can try to boost Kakashis Chakra, at that Moment Sasuke casts an Amaterasu at his face, simple game. Oh, or did you think Sasuke will allow himself and Suigetsu a coup of tea?

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@TheEvilOne, everyones nervous system is based on electric impulses and Tsunade is able to disturb and to confuse them by sending electric impulses from her own body. Tsunade was never shown, nor she was stated to have Raiton affinity. And as long that statement was not done, you should be quiet and just leave that thread, boy.

 

[shelke]

BS Logic from people as usual. Obito saw Sasuke's Amaterasu and couldn't even make himself intangible, an ability according to Kakashi that is superior to Minato's FTG:

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. Yet he was not able to even make himself intangible to Amaterasu's assault. This just proves how ridiculous this Kamui > Amaterasu point is.

Obito sees it coming:

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Gets hit anyway when his S/T manipulation is superior to FTG:

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- and is unable to warp them away and contunies screaming:

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. I love the rubbish some members here throw around that is fanfiction at best.

Which means Amaterasu once hit, cannot be kamui'ed away, nor is Kamui itself faster than Amaterasu.

As Sasuke's Amaterasu appears exactly where the eye is focused, it's a matter of quick draw. Even if Sasuke doesn't start with Amaterasu on Kakashi, a single one will wipe out Tsunade from the battlefield as she isn't touching Suigestsu because of his liquification abilities. Susano'o erection is faster than a lightening strike and EMS Sasuke can simply bring out arrows to counter Kakashi's Kamui.

Kakashi feels the effect of Kamui after a single use and this window is availed by EMS Sasuke to take him out. EMS Sasuke low difference. Lol @ the Kamui points that don't even exist in the manga.

 

[shelke]

@Strict Someone needs to tell someone else that Izanagi can always be released beforehand, as Obito was careful about not letting his secrets out. Hence he must have released it before he started taking with Sasuke. His clothes were undamaged. If Kamui returns custom tailored clothes back from the pocket dimension then it was Kamui, otherwise, it was Izanagi. The logical mind picks the latter.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

It's clear that team Taka sets the pace, as their offense surpasses Tsunades and Kakashis.

Uhm no?

Amaterasu can be Byakugou'd, Kamui'd, Bunshin'd.

There is no defence against Kamui. Sasuke has no bunshins.

Kamui is the ultimate weapon, really.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

@ashrafuchiha, it would be better to say Suigetsu keeps Tsunade at bay because no of her hits can actually hurt Suigetsu

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Amaterasu - activated instantly. Obito was fast enough to rescue Sasuke from the Jinton, yet got hit by Amaterasu though seeing Sasukes eye bleeding

Lawl no.

Obito was simply shocked to see Sasuke with Itachi's MS. If you saw your dad having your mom's eyes wouldn't you shi t your pants?

 

[DeaDloCk]

Kakashi and tsunade will win....

 

[arielpk]

Databook states Kamui to be unstoppable. It was never blocked before.

You have no proof that Susanoo stops it. After all, Susanoo is just chakra, not a physical object which breaks line of sight.

How can the Susanoo block the Kamui? :sy:

Susano'o wouldn't block it, it will take the hit instead of Sasuke. Besides, Sasuke is fast enough (as seen in Sasuke vs Deidara) to easily get away from it.

 

[arielpk]

I don't underrate him, but against Kage level shinobies he can't do shit.

Same goes for Tsunade, she isn't that strong. She is especially WEAK against sasuke's Susano'o and Amaterasu. Kakshi is weaker than Tsunade (dont argue about that), So there's nothing to say. Sasuke solos them.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Susano'o wouldn't block it, it will take the hit instead of Sasuke. Besides, Sasuke is fast enough (as seen in Sasuke vs Deidara) to easily get away from it.

Susanoo can't really take the hit since Kamui can warp at any place the user is focusing on. It does not break line of sight.

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

Kakashi kamui spam dodge everything yolo

 

[arielpk]

Susanoo can't really take the hit since Kamui can warp at any place the user is focusing on. It does not break line of sight.

No. Kamui Cannot wrap something to be or a big amount of chakra which is toomuch. Kakashi wrapped Hachibi, only because he was given way more chakra by Kyubi. So yeah, Kamui without chakra addition/anything in that kind is pretty shallow. Sasuke could easily step away or activate Susano'o, and that the Susano'o will take most of the hit. After using Kamui, kakashi won't be able to move for a few seconds, long enough for Sasuke's Amaterasu to be activated on him (we've all seen Ameterasu is way faster than Kamui).

So this means Sasuke pwnes Kakashi and Tsunade together, I don't see why bother adding Suigetsu (he won't add alot). But obviously Sasuke + Suigetsu are way stronger than Kakashi + Tsunade.

No reason to vote for team 2..

 

[pateuvasiliu]

(we've all seen Ameterasu is way faster than Kamui).

Say what now?

Kamui Cannot wrap something to be or a big amount of chakra which is toomuch.

Kamui isn't wrapping the kamui goddamnit. Kakashi can simply use the Kamui on Sasuke, INSIDE the Susanoo. It's an S/T jutsu, it doesn't give a crap about Susanoo. Databook says it can't be blocked so deal with it.

Kakshi is weaker than Tsunade (dont argue about that)

lmao.

 

[HungryMaelstrom]

You guys really underestimate Tsunade in general...

Tsunade under Byakuguo Eats attacks from Susanoo Lol, and she is the best Med nin alive right now, I don't see how Sasuke can even approach them. Tsunade can even one hit Sasukes susano'o, Ametarasu would be sasukes only hopes or means of approach.
I'm not even a tsunade fan but C'mon Tsunade ------> legendary sanin ...hello?

 

[garas56]

Tsunade in Slug mode,Byakugou Fights With Sasuke she faster than Raikage....
Kakashi uses His Chidori and with strategy Hits Suigetsu whos Body is from Water KO Suigetsu loses than its Fight 2v1 Kakashi with Kamui and Tsunade in Byakugou mode Think Kakashi wuld Wait for the right Moment till Sasuke will try to hit Tsunnade than cames from behind with Water Clone Sasuke hits the water Clone than Tsunade hits Sasuke from behind Kakashi uses Kamui......Winers team 2 Susano dasint help becous we saw How Tsunade fought Madara.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Tsunade in Slug mode,Byakugou Fights With Sasuke she faster than Raikage....

WHAT?!

WHAT is this madness.

 

[TheEvilOne]

WHAT?!

WHAT is this madness.

My new signature xd

 

[arielpk]

Say what now?

Exactly what you've read. The only ones that could get away from Amaterasu were 4th Raikage or Minato, I doubt anyone else is FAST enough (I do not mean shield the attack like Gaara did or so, I just mean getting/running away from it).

Kamui isn't wrapping the kamui goddamnit. Kakashi can simply use the Kamui on Sasuke, INSIDE the Susanoo. It's an S/T jutsu, it doesn't give a crap about Susanoo. Databook says it can't be blocked so deal with it.

No he can't, that's the whole point dude. If he could, why didn't he do that the moment Sasuke used Suasno'o in their battle? I mean, according to you, Kakashi was like "I could chop Sasuke's head off, but nooo - I'll wait for him to use Susano'o and fire a huge chakra-arrow on me, and only then I'll use Kamui, but not on Sasuke, oh no! I'll use it on the arrow. Then, I'll get tired, meanwhile Sasuke could fire another arrow at me." We've seen Kakashi to be one of the smartest Shinobi around this era, so either he acted VERY STUPIDLY for him, or he knew his attack will only hit the Susano'o and not it's user.
Answer: Because Susno'o protects it's user, even from attacks like Kamui. Your argument is unlogical mate.
I mean, come on, if Kamui acts like you said, then Kakashi chops Madara's head off (not edo Madara), and then we'll get Kakashi > Madara.. So I guess I rest my case.

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lmao.

I knew you'd say that, but if Kakashi uses Kamui one time on her, as long as he doesn't chop her head off, Tsunade can regenerate and heal herself, as seen in the fight against Madara. Meanwhile, Kakashi will be powerless long enough for Tsunade to use Katsuyu or to attack him by herself. Kakashi won't be able to do a thing. You're just a pathetic Kakashi-fan, deal with it.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Exactly what you've read. The only ones that could get away from Amaterasu were 4th Raikage or Minato, I doubt anyone else is FAST enough (I do not mean shield the attack like Gaara did or so, I just mean getting/running away from it).

KCM Naruto and BM Naruto can easily dodge it.

No he can't, that's the whole point dude. If he could, why didn't he do that the moment Sasuke used Suasno'o in their battle? I mean, according to you, Kakashi was like "I could chop Sasuke's head off, but nooo - I'll wait for him to use Susano'o and fire a huge chakra-arrow on me, and only then I'll use Kamui, but not on Sasuke, oh no! I'll use it on the arrow. Then, I'll get tired, meanwhile Sasuke could fire another arrow at me." We've seen Kakashi to be one of the smartest Shinobi around this era, so either he acted VERY STUPIDLY for him, or he knew his attack will only hit the Susano'o and not it's user.
Answer: Because Susno'o protects it's user, even from attacks like Kamui. Your argument is unlogical mate.
I mean, come on, if Kamui acts like you said, then Kakashi chops Madara's head off (not edo Madara), and then we'll get Kakashi > Madara.. So I guess I rest my case.

He couldn't bring himself to kill Sasuke. Only after seeing him try to kill Sakura the second time he decided to kill him, shown when he wanted to use Raikiri on him and Naruto stopped him.

Answer: Because Susno'o protects it's user

Sure it does. Against physical attacks. Kamui isn't physical.

Databook says it's unstoppable. Go yell at Kishi.

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Emoticons? Gay.

I knew you'd say that, but if Kakashi uses Kamui one time on her, as long as he doesn't chop her head off, Tsunade can regenerate and heal herself

Yes, because limbs are regenerated instantly and Kakashi is stupid enough to just watch.

You're just a pathetic Kakashi-fan, deal with it.

Oh cry me a river.

 

[arielpk]

KCM Naruto and BM Naruto can easily dodge it.

Yep, I forgot to add them. So we've got 4 people who can dodge it, out of them: 1 is dead, 1 is dying and 2 are actually the same one. CSB

He couldn't bring himself to kill Sasuke. Only after seeing him try to kill Sakura the second time he decided to kill him, shown when he wanted to use Raikiri on him and Naruto stopped him.

That's the most lame excuse I've ever heard, yet you still haven't answered me: according to what you said: Kakashi > Madara Because Madara cannot dodge Kamui with Susano'o .. still so sure?

Sure it does. Against physical attacks. Kamui isn't physical.

It defends even against Jinton, so no problem defending Kamui. Kakshi can aim wherever he wants, yet the attack will not pass the Susano'o (The Susano'o is called the perfect defense, there has been no evidence of Kamui breaking through it like you're trying to state.)

Databook says it's unstoppable. Go yell at Kishi.

I never said the attack will be blocked. All i said is that Kakashi can aim Sasuke on the inside of Susano'o, yet the Susano'o will take the hit.

Emoticons? Gay.

Now you're just being rude.

Yes, because limbs are regenerated instantly and Kakashi is stupid enough to just watch.

Yes, and No - Kakashi isn't stupid enough to watch, but he'll be tired enough, and how many times will he by using kamui? He won't be able to move so fast, and will have to rest or hide.
Do me a favor: Kakashi < Jirayia (that's obvious, if you disagree - go watch Pokemon), And Jirayia is about the same level as Tsunade. If x < y and y = z, what do we get? x < z, basic math bro!
So we got Kakashi < Tsunade. end of story.

Oh cry me a river.

Deal with it.

:~)