Sasuke is the key to the future, but he is blind

[chuloe]

Sasuke just wants to bring his self-victimization full circle by being a martyr. It isn't necessary. Naruto can actually put an end to hatred.

Look man naruto himself can't do it. If that's the case hashirama or ashura or Haguromo would have did it a long time ago. They have to balance the world around the power they posses or people will start following sasuke and fight against naruto or vice versa. Sasuke is important for the future and can contribute a lot to change just by him being the embodiment of hatred. Naruto can't do it alone

 

[Tennis Robot]

Why are you saying ever as if people can't change.Sasuke has already changed,and listened to others.He literally brought Orochimaru back so he could listen to others and gain knowledge from them.



Okay,you obvoiusly don't understand the story or the thread.

He listened to others because he didn't know about the past. There is no decision-making involved in telling a story. He has made it very clear that he thinks he will be able to control the future on his own.

Look man naruto himself can't do it. If that's the case hashirama or ashura or Haguromo would have did it a long time ago. They have to balance the world around the power they posses or people will start following sasuke and fight against naruto or vice versa. Sasuke is important for the future and can contribute a lot to change just by him being the embodiment of hatred. Naruto can't do it alone

That's the thing. Naruto doesn't need to use hate to create peace. That's why Sasuke will live.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Sasuke just wants to bring his self-victimization full circle by being a martyr. It isn't necessary. Naruto can actually put an end to hatred.



I think that means that he has nothing positive to contribute.

LOL Self Victimzation! i just googled that and it means a person playing the victim.

So Sasuke shouldn't care that his family was massacred and the truth behind it was hidden away? He shouldn't want to change the Shinobi world/System for that and because it has gotten into 4 World Wars?

He listened to others because he didn't know about the past. There is no decision-making involved in telling a story. He has made it very clear that he thinks he will be able to control the future on his own.

So based on their stories he didn't decide to protect Konoha instead of destroying it? or take on the whole worlds hate so they only hate him whether than continue fighting each other?

 

[chuloe]

He sees the world in a different way than Naruto does. (In my opinion) Naruto would be best to bring peace and Sasuke would be best to prevent darkness because he knows how more of it than Naruto does.

You understand

 

[chuloe]

He listened to others because he didn't know about the past. There is no decision-making involved in telling a story. He has made it very clear that he thinks he will be able to control the future on his own.

Naruto listened to others also, how do you think they came to their development and decisions ?

 

[Tennis Robot]

LOL Self Victimzation! i just googled that and it means a person playing the victim.

So Sasuke shouldn't care that his family was massacred and the truth behind it was hidden away? He shouldn't want to change the Shinobi world/System for that and because it has gotten into 4 World Wars?


So based on their stories he didn't decide to protect Konoha instead of destroying it? or take on the whole worlds hate so they only hate him whether than continue fighting each other?

That's exactly what Sasuke is doing though. Why else would he want to kill Naruto?

Naruto listened to others also, how do you think they came to their development and decisions ?

Yes. Naruto listened to others. Naruto always listens to others. That's the point. Naruto actually cares about making everyone happy. Sasuke does not.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Did you read? He said Sasuke is blind and will fail without Naruto's help.

He clearly lost you at the first 3 words because clearly you didn't read or jist rejecting everything that came after.

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Did you read chapter 695? if so you didn't understand it.Sasuke wants to do what Itachi did except on a much larger scale.He's willing to to take on the world's hatred,Everyone's hatred so that they won't be fighting each other and live in peace.

that is self sacrafice,which he learned from Itachi.

and it does what to disprove what i said? Itachi was shown telling him that he failed because he tried to do everything himself, and Sasuke decided he was still going to do the same exact thing. In what plausible way does that say Sasuke matured? All it shows is the lengths to which Sasuke will go to be the center of attention. Last time everybody's ire was directed at him, he was literally moments away from getting killed.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Lord Sasuke is the real bridge to peace.

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They should change it to "The Great Sasuke Bridge"

That's exactly what Sasuke is doing though. Why else would he want to kill Naruto?



Yes. Naruto listened to others. Naruto always listens to others. That's the point. Naruto actually cares about making everyone happy. Sasuke does not.

He wants to kill Naruto because he has the Bijuus chakra within him.He wants to get rod of every trace of the Bijuus so no one can ever possibly abuse their power,like lead the world into another World War - in which the world os once again fighting,killing,and hating each other leading to the deaths of many people thus causing pain,suffering,sadness etc.

if Sasuke did not care for others then he wouldn't be willing to sacrafice himself so everyone can live in peace.

He sees the world in a different way than Naruto does. (In my opinion) Naruto would be best to bring peace and Sasuke would be best to prevent darkness because he knows more of it than Naruto does.

Correct.

and it does what to disprove what i said? Itachi was shown telling him that he failed because he tried to do everything himself, and Sasuke decided he was still going to do the same exact thing. In what plausible way does that say Sasuke matured? All it shows is the lengths to which Sasuke will go to be the center of attention. Last time everybody's ire was directed at him, he was literally moments away from getting killed.

unlike before,Sasuke is not thinking on of his clan,or of his village like most people.He has transcemded Clans amd Villages and ks thinking everyones happiness instead of just some.That is him maturing.He is willling to sacrafice himself for everyone to live in peace.

 

[chuloe]

and it does what to disprove what i said? Itachi was shown telling him that he failed because he tried to do everything himself, and Sasuke decided he was still going to do the same exact thing. In what plausible way does that say Sasuke matured? All it shows is the lengths to which Sasuke will go to be the center of attention. Last time everybody's ire was directed at him, he was literally moments away from getting killed.

Sasuke s matured your just using that one thing against him, which is also Cleary the main point of my thread. Like I said that's the only thing left he has to change.

 

[chuloe]

That's exactly what Sasuke is doing though. Why else would he want to kill Naruto?



Yes. Naruto listened to others. Naruto always listens to others. That's the point. Naruto actually cares about making everyone happy. Sasuke does not.

Sasuke listening to others is the reason he is the way he is now he was always lied to. Naruto was not. That's why he talked directly to the kages and the sage. Witch is now the reason why he is willing to give himself up for the sake of their world. Sacrificing yourself is a true sign of leadership and heart. Naruto would do the exact same thing for the people if he was raised like sasuke.

 

[WalksInShadows]

You reading the manga or nah. That's exactly what sasuke said he'll do. Luke itachi he'll sacrifice his happiness and reputation to become a villain to unite the nations and shift all the hatred of the shinobi world onto him. How is this concept foreign Lol

wanting to be the center of attention is not making a sacrifice. Because to make a sacrifice, one has to actually lose something. Sasuke stands to lose nothing because he didn't care about others' opinions about him before this.

Sasuke s matured your just using that one thing against him, which is also Cleary the main point of my thread. Like I said that's the only thing left he has to change.

It isn't just one thing, because Danzo had to point out why Sasuke hasn't matured one bit. And this was long before this fight. Sasuke tended to think he knew everything, and in reality, he didn't know jack. Even when he did, it never stopped him from choosing a different road than the ppl who already made mistakes going down said road. That's why he hasn't matured one bit.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Sasuke listening to others is the reason he is the way he is now he was always lied to. Naruto was not. That's why he talked directly to the kages and the sage. Witch is now the reason why he is willing to give himself up for the sake of their world. Sacrificing yourself is a true sign of leadership and heart. Naruto would do the exact same thing for the people if he was raised like sasuke.

That isn't necessarily true and it isn't relevant at all anyway. And Sasuke doesn't need to do anything for the world; he just has to leave peace up to Naruto. I already said it before. Sasuke does not care about anyone's happiness but his own.

 

[chuloe]

wanting to be the center of attention is not making a sacrifice. Because to make a sacrifice, one has to actually lose something. Sasuke stands to lose nothing because he didn't care about others' opinions about him before this.

It isn't just one thing, because Danzo had to point out why Sasuke hasn't matured one bit. And this was long before this fight. Sasuke tended to think he knew everything, and in reality, he didn't know jack. Even when he did, it never stopped him from choosing a different road than the ppl who already made mistakes going down said road. That's why he hasn't matured one bit.

Right that was "long before now" when danzo stated that. And that was also the exact reason he wanted to speak with itachi again. Reanimation tech allowed him to do that. But itachi wasn't enough witch is also the reason he sought out the previous kage so that they can help him decide what was right. ( He also stated whatever they told him would help him decide to destroy the village or not)

He has clearly matured as a person but his current objective and lack of trust is what's holding him back from the truth which is that he needs naruto.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

wanting to be the center of attention is not making a sacrifice. Because to make a sacrifice, one has to actually lose something. Sasuke stands to lose nothing because he didn't care about others' opinions about him before this.

It isn't just one thing, because Danzo had to point out why Sasuke hasn't matured one bit. And this was long before this fight. Sasuke tended to think he knew everything, and in reality, he didn't know jack. Even when he did, it never stopped him from choosing a different road than the ppl who already made mistakes going down said road. That's why he hasn't matured one bit.

Wanting to be the center of attention - you're saying that to make ot look childish - as if its something like pulling pranks to get yourself in trouble so people notice you.

Was Itachi just looking for attention when he killed his family and had the truth of the matter hidden away thus leading to everyone thinking he was a bad guy? A Traitor S-Class Missing Nin?

if he didn't mature one bit then he would still want to destory Konoha rather than protect it.He still wouldn't care for the Shinobi world rather than wanting to led it to peace.

That isn't necessarily true and it isn't relevant at all anyway. And Sasuke doesn't need to do anything for the world; he just has to leave peace up to Naruto. I already said it before. Sasuke does not care about anyone's happiness but his own.

Why are you ignoring logic? If he didn't care about others happiness then why would he be planning on freeing them from the Infinite Tsukuyomi? Why would he want to become Hokage and Protect Konoha? Why would he want to sacrafkce by having the world forcus their hate on him rather tham each other and continue to fight?

 

[chuloe]

That isn't necessarily true and it isn't relevant at all anyway. And Sasuke doesn't need to do anything for the world; he just has to leave peace up to Naruto. I already said it before. Sasuke does not care about anyone's happiness but his own.

Sacrificing yourself for the sake of others peace is the exact opposite of careing only for yourself.

 

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[Tennis Robot]

Wanting to be the center of attention - you're saying that to make ot look childish - as if its something like pulling pranks to get yourself in trouble so people notice you.

Was Itachi just looking for attention when he killed his family and had the truth of the matter hidden away thus leading to everyone thinking he was a bad guy? A Traitor S-Class Missing Nin?



Why are you ignoring logic? If he didn't care about others happiness then why would he be planning on freeing them from the Infinite Tsukuyomi? Why would he want to become Hokage and Protect Konoha? Why would he want to sacrafkce by having the world forcus their hate on him rather tham each other and continue to fight?

He has already said that he doesn't care what other people think. He also said that he wants everyone to hate him. That has nothing to do with happiness. Naruto will actually go out of his way to make sure that he makes everyone around him happy. That's why he isn't trying to kill Sasuke.

Sacrificing yourself for the sake of others peace is the exact opposite of careing only for yourself.

Sasuke is sacrificing himself to nothing. How many times do I have to explain this? Naruto renders Sasuke's martyrdom obsolete, because Naruto can actually eliminate hatred instead of trying to somehow direct it all toward one person. Sasuke is just scared of being loved and/or loving anyone else. That's his real reason. That's why he wants to kill Naruto.

 

[King Of Pop]

That isn't necessarily true and it isn't relevant at all anyway. And Sasuke doesn't need to do anything for the world; he just has to leave peace up to Naruto. I already said it before. Sasuke does not care about anyone's happiness but his own.

not sure if serious or trolling, its like when it comes to sasuke people turn of logic. the guy wants to shoulder the worlds hatred so they can be unified against him, and you say he only cares about his happiness?? how the actual hell is that a happy life? he could just not do anything and go his own way but no he wants to undertake this action despite the horror and unhapiness it would entail for him but he doesnt care as long as the past system is out and a new one brought about by unification of the world. people praise itachi as very selfless based on how he was willing to put konohas happiness above his own by killing of his family and living the life of a criminal yet when sasuke plans to do the same except this time its on a world scale then he is selfish and doesnt care about any ones happiness???? wut?

OT. Agreed, sasukes flaw is that he wants to do it alone, he cant hence thats were naruto comes in. good and non biased thread.

 

[Tennis Robot]

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not sure if serious or trolling, its like when it comes to sasuke people turn of logic. the guy wants to shoulder the words hatred so they can be unified against him, and you say he only cares about his happiness?? how the actual hell is that a happy life? he could just not do anything and go his own way but no he wants to undertake this action despite the horror and unhapiness it would entail for him but he doesnt care as long as the past system is out and a new one brought about by unification of the world. people praise itachi as very selfless based on how he was willing to put konohas happiness above his own by killing of his family and living the life of a criminal yet when sasuke plans to do the same except this time its on a world scale then he is selfish and doesnt care about any ones happiness???? wut?

OT. Agreed, sasukes flaw is that he wants to do it alone, he cant hence thats were naruto comes in. good and non biased thread.

Keep reading. I don't want to explain it again.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Right that was "long before now" when danzo stated that. And that was also the exact reason he wanted to speak with itachi again. Reanimation tech allowed him to do that. But itachi wasn't enough witch is also the reason he sought out the previous kage so that they can help him decide what was right. ( He also stated whatever they told him would help him decide to destroy the village or not)

He has clearly matured as a person but his current objective and lack of trust is what's holding him back from the truth which is that he needs naruto.

and what did he choose to do after hearing what Itachi and Hashirama had to say about the mistakes they made? Oh yeah, the exact same thing. Maturity implies someone actually learns something. Simply hearing words doesn't make one mature. They have to actually learn from those words.

Wanting to be the center of attention - you're saying that to make ot look childish - as if its something like pulling pranks to get yourself in trouble so people notice you.

because it is childish. What else do you call opting not to cooperate because you want everybody to pay attention to you?

Was Itachi just looking for attention when he killed his family and had the truth of the matter hidden away thus leading to everyone thinking he was a bad guy? A Traitor S-Class Missing Nin?

Itachi didn't do what he did thinking he knew what was best for the whole world. Your logic isn't flying here.

if he didn't mature one bit then he would still want to destory Konoha rather than protect it.He still wouldn't care for the Shinobi world rather than wanting to led it to peace.

tell me where Sasuke specifically says his agenda is for peace. Go ahead, tell me. I'll wait.

Why are you ignoring logic? If he didn't care about others happiness then why would he be planning on freeing them from the Infinite Tsukuyomi? Why would he want to become Hokage and Protect Konoha? Why would he want to sacrafkce by having the world forcus their hate on him rather tham each other and continue to fight?

you mean why am i ignoring your logic? Easy. It's because i don't recall a single moment where Sasuke specifically mentions anything about wanting others to be happy in his plans. All he ever basically mentions about anybody's emotions are negative ones, and that he wants to be at the center of them all.