[Predictions] Sasuke is still 'evil'

[narutoblitz]

From what I can determine Sasuke is currently:

a) Pretending to be "good"
b) Only wants Naruto alive so that he can personally defeat him
c) Will stop Obito only so he can enact his own plans
d) Wants to overtake Konoha and destroy "The Will of Fire" for all of time, regarding Hashirama as a pathetic hypocrite
e) Plans to extract Kurama from Naruto, along with the other Bijuus, and kill all of them. It's already 100% canon that the M.S. can control the 9 tails.

How does he pull all this off?

Two trump card cards. Sasuke can control the Edo Hokage through Orochimaru. Orochimaru plans to sacrifice the Kage for something, probably Edo Tensei. Secondly, Sasuke can control the Kyuubi chakra, thereby betraying the alliance. We already saw him enter Naruto's mind and banish Kurama once.

Obviously, he can cancel Bijuu mode entirely.

<troll face>

You mad, NB?

 

[3 Tomoe Rinnegan]

Sausage takes orders from Lord Naruto.

Edit: Link fixed

Edit Edit: Why can't gyazo links work? that's dumb.

oh well, it was the picture of Sausage saying: "what's my orders, Lord Naruto?"

 

[take it easy]

the true sausage words.

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[ballerjordan]

Sausage now takes orders from Naruto and acknowledges his powers.

 

[narutoblitz]

Like most of the retarded shit NB bullshits about, this is the result of a poor translation. I actually live in Japan and read Japanese script. The better translation of that line reads something like '

"What are you planning, Naruto?"

It is a neutral statement of inquiry, not deference. NB is reading too much in to this as usual. Jugo's words to Sasuke imply that Sasuke had an ace-in-the-hole to save at least himself, Jugo and Naruto. Let's also keep in mind: It was Minato's jutsu that saved the day here, not Naruto.

When Naruto speaks to the 2nd, it's very obvious he had no idea if it would work or not. In fact, he says this much to his own father. Anyone praising Naruto as a "genius tactician" is missing the point. This is Kishimoto telling you, the readers, that this was indeed what NB would call an "asspull".

 

[ANiMUS]

Dude you are gonna be so disappointed by the rest of the manga. Sasuke's is good now. I even looked like it was breaking his heart when he decided to try and save the main group and abandon the SA. Sasuke is becoming less and less dark by the chapter until eventually the dark Sasuke will be no more. Sorry to break it to yah though.

 

[narutoblitz]

Then why all the dialogue in Sasuke's mind and from Jugo implying that Sasuke has ulterior motives? Why show Orochimaru going to the Kage and having a flashback dialogue with Sasuke? It's called foreshadowing dude. Anyone thinking Hashirama brought Sasuke back to the good guys is just deluding themselves

 

[uchihajaime]

From what I can determine Sasuke is currently:

a) Pretending to be "good"
b) Only wants Naruto alive so that he can personally defeat him
c) Will stop Obito only so he can enact his own plans
d) Wants to overtake Konoha and destroy "The Will of Fire" for all of time, regarding Hashirama as a pathetic hypocrite
e) Plans to extract Kurama from Naruto, along with the other Bijuus, and kill all of them. It's already 100% canon that the M.S. can control the 9 tails.

How does he pull all this off?

Two trump card cards. Sasuke can control the Edo Hokage through Orochimaru. Orochimaru plans to sacrifice the Kage for something, probably Edo Tensei. Secondly, Sasuke can control the Kyuubi chakra, thereby betraying the alliance. We already saw him enter Naruto's mind and banish Kurama once.

Obviously, he can cancel Bijuu mode entirely.

<troll face>

You mad, NB?

a) He's an anti-hero, meaning he's in the gray. Also, since when does Sasuke ever pretend to be anything. Sasuke is always unashamed of what he is.
b) valid point. So, Naruto can tnj him during their fight. making his point mute
c) duh, see b
d) okay w/ the first part. However, where did destroy the will of fire come from? There's zero foreshadowing for that.
e) see b.

trump cards:
1) Yes, Sasuke can. Where did Orochimaru sacrifice plans come from? Never heard of it. No foreshadowing.
2) He entered Naruto's mind before he was a perfect jin. Sasuke has never done that with a prefect jin. He can't do that with a prefect jin because he obviously would have done that to Killer Bee if he could.

Sasuke is in the gray. This does not mean he is evil. In fact, he is less evil than he was. This means is becoming gradually more good. Thus, he's on the way to redemption. So, why have Sasuke become less evil and then have him be evil again. It's wasted plot and development. If Kishimoto wanted Sasuke to be evil, then he wouldn't have him doubt his revenge motives and become grayish good. If you want proof that Sasuke is becoming less evil, then see the first part of my thread. The link is in my sig.

edit: I just noticed. Sasuke canceling BM. what? That makes no sense. There just zero foreshadowing. just what?

 

[Bimbonium]

Then why all the dialogue in Sasuke's mind and from Jugo implying that Sasuke has ulterior motives? Why show Orochimaru going to the Kage and having a flashback dialogue with Sasuke? It's called foreshadowing dude. Anyone thinking Hashirama brought Sasuke back to the good guys is just deluding themselves

Only time will tell, but as if now Sasuke is goodZzz

 

[uchihajaime]

Then why all the dialogue in Sasuke's mind and from Jugo implying that Sasuke has ulterior motives? Why show Orochimaru going to the Kage and having a flashback dialogue with Sasuke? It's called foreshadowing dude. Anyone thinking Hashirama brought Sasuke back to the good guys is just deluding themselves

Fine. I'll just post what I said in that thread here. First, understand that there are levels of goodness and evil. Just because Sasuke is not good does not mean he is evil. It means he is on the way to being good but is not there yet. Look up the term "gradual character development." Here's the quote from my thread.

Lots of people argue that Sasuke has not gone through redemption. This is not the case. Sasuke is on his way to redemption. He is still a dark character, as evidenced in his “burn” comment to the Juubi and his will to “delete the past.” However, Sasuke is in the middle of this redemption but he has not been completely redeemed. I have two points to prove this.
First, you have to understand that Sasuke’s redemption has been told in stages. A lot of Naruto’s redemption stories are more or less based on one incident that completely changes a character. Zabuza gloats over Haku’s corpse and is then reduced to tears by Naruto’s speech. Pain is changed after finding out Jiraiya wrote a book. These are all based on one incident. Sasuke’s redemption, however, is told in stages. He talks to Itachi and questions what he has done. He brings back Orochimaru and tells him he’s given up revenge. He seeks out the Four Hokage and goes to the battlefield.
Second, Sasuke has changed from what he was in the Five Kage Summit Arc. Then he didn't care about his comrades. He left Suigetsu and Juugo to be captured by the samurai. He stabbed Karin and was going to finish her off. Now, he saves his comrades. For example, he saved Sakura with help from Naruto, though that couldn't further any ulterior plan Sasuke has. He even showed concern when Sai was falling. Moreover, he has given up his revenge. He told Orochimaru this, and he had no reason to lie to Orochimaru. Indeed, Sasuke’s goals are now set in the future. He wants to be Hokage to change the system. His goals are no longer in the past, as they had been since the Massacre. He even said he would “delete the past.” This is huge development. Next, Sasuke also smiles more frequently. He smiled during Sakura’s attack. Then there’s the big smile that was enough to warrant dialogue in the latest chapter. He is smiling with Naruto. He seems genuinely happy, which is a big change. Most importantly, he apologized to Karin. Sasuke admitted he was in the wrong, and that his one huge step towards his redemption. You must first admit you made a mistake before you can correct it.
Yes, Sasuke hasn't admitted to Naruto and the Alliance he was wrong. However, it’s called gradual character development. For Sasuke to enter the last stage of his development, he must admit that everything he has done of the last three years was wrong. That’s way too much progress to show after just story time from Hashirama. This development will come later, preferably during Naruto’s inevitable tnj during Naruto vs. Sasuke. Naruto has to be the last one to save Sasuke. There was been too much build-up for that not to happen. In conclusion, Sasuke is on his way towards redemption. After all this development, why would Kishimoto have him revert back to being evil?

 

[narutoblitz]

"I already told you... not you... ME"

This line says it all. He's telling Obito that he plans to take his power. Sasuke plans to become the 10 tails Jinch, and use its powers to destroy the bijuu. Naruto's already expressed a desire to not let this happen. If any of you think Sasuke is going to sit back and let Naruto become Hokage and play with the tailed beasts in a gay little field, think again.

It isn't "reverting" Sasuke to being evil. It's that Sasuke simply never stopped being selfish. His nature is to hate what causes him pain, and at this point he blames the Hokage of the past and the tailed beasts. It's very obvious that he intends to kill Kurama and the other tailed beasts. TnJ ain't gonna change that.

Sasuke will fight Naruto, and probably lose in the end, but it will still be epic. The fight will happen, and it has to happen.

 

[uchihajaime]

"I already told you... not you... ME"

This line says it all. He's telling Obito that he plans to take his power. Sasuke plans to become the 10 tails Jinch, and use its powers to destroy the bijuu. Naruto's already expressed a desire to not let this happen. If any of you think Sasuke is going to sit back and let Naruto become Hokage and play with the tailed beasts in a gay little field, think again.

It isn't "reverting" Sasuke to being evil. It's that Sasuke simply never stopped being selfish. His nature is to hate what causes him pain, and at this point he blames the Hokage of the past and the tailed beasts. It's very obvious that he intends to kill Kurama and the other tailed beasts. TnJ ain't gonna change that.

Sasuke will fight Naruto, and probably lose in the end, but it will still be epic. The fight will happen, and it has to happen.

You've proven nothing. First, you're acting like that line has only one valid meaning, your take on it. Second, so what if Sasuke fights Naruto? Naruto won't kill him. He will just tnj him. This story will have a happily ever after.

 

[narutoblitz]

I don't think Sasuke is going to get TnJ by Naruto, at least not at first. Not without some sort of action backing it up. If it were that easy, it'd have happened in part 1.

Madara and Obito set the stage, but Sasuke is final villain. Maybe along with Oro.

 

[uchihajaime]

I don't think Sasuke is going to get TnJ by Naruto, at least not at first. Not without some sort of action backing it up. If it were that easy, it'd have happened in part 1.

Madara and Obito set the stage, but Sasuke is final villain. Maybe along with Oro.

Why am up this late? Whatever. time to debate.

It didn't happen in part 1 because it was part 1. There was still too much plot left for Sasuke to near the conclusion of his character development. Second, Sasuke has received development since then, such as giving up revenge and being ashamed of what he did in the darkness (mainly stabbing Karin). Thus, current Sasuke is different than valley of the end Sasuke. Now, he's actually susceptible to tnj.

 

[Xāvî1]

Sausage now takes orders from Naruto and acknowledges his powers.

Thats right

 

[narutoblitz]

Thats right

Herp derp. "Sasugay takes ordars from Naruto roflcopters"

That's basically your guys counterarguments. Now, reality.

Don't believe me... believe the guy that wrote the frigging manga (who I have actually personally spoken with, at a few events in Japan)

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[sealingscroll]

you need to get over the I KNOW EVERYTHING BULLSHIT! it gets you NO WHERE.

1. the recent chapter when juugo and sasuke were gonna use the summoning to get out was because they doubted that the plan would work. that is why Juugo Responded "What did you do"

you said it was Minato's work that saved the shinobi. NO it was Minato and Naruto. if it wasn't for the cloaks from naruto the teleportion wouldn't have worked. but Tobirama if I remember didn't praise naruto's help in the endeavor but said to the 4th you saved them twice.

2. the part about creating an opening. he was being "SELFISH" trying to do everything on his own.

remember when NARUTO tried to do everything on his own. then most people told him HE COULDN"T DO EVERYTHING ALONE. well sasuke is learning, SLOWLY.

A. Sasuke and Juugo were gonna run because they were scared of dying.
B. Even Shikamaru was questioning what was going on at that moment. till after they teleported.

the thing is you only look at the things about sasuke you need to OPEN YOUR SINGLE MINDED CLOUD TO A SUNNY DAY.

 

[Pushpaaaaaa]

i believe sasuke is currently good as he is willing to protect Konoha and his friends...he has stated that he wants to become Hokage which to many people seems like a big no no but in all honesty there is nothing to say that he cannot become Hokage..yes he has betrayed the leaf and done harsh deeds but it was all done by his state of mind, he has became a changed person after knowing the truth behind Itachi's actions

yes he has done some evils deeds which have shaken many people but that is not to say that he will remain evil......i believe sasuke has realised that his mistakes are nothing to be proud of and has learnt from them. sasuke in my eyes is not evil anymore