Sasuke is as bad as Madara

[Ciao]

Sasuke and Madara are both extremists who's outlooks of the Tailed Beats are opposing but they're still evil. Madara sees them as a way to gain unlimited power and wishes to control them for himself. Sasuke sees them as the bane of the world and wishes to destroy them all. Even though Sasuke is fighting with Naruto, he isn't on the same side.

Do you agree or disagree? Feel free to discuss.

 

[Bronze]

i disagree. madara isnt evil, he wants peace, and he is trying to accomplish it. same as sasuke.

 

[Shiann]

i agree Sasuke isn't on the same side as Naruto he has his own way

 

[RNITBmsage]

madara wants peace.... hes definitly going the wrong way about it though... dont compare him to that monster

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I agree. He's also sadistic.

 

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

i disagree. madara isnt evil, he wants peace, and he is trying to accomplish it. same as sasuke.

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[The Robot With Human Hair]

Well, they are the bane of the world, technically. The majority of occurrences, negative ones that is, have Tailed Beasts at the fore front. However, in actuality, mankind itself is also to blame, Sasuke ignores this, while Naruto does not/cannot and wishes for the beasts to get along with humanity. Sasuke does not see this possibility while Naruto does. It's not a black and white, good vs evil situation, it's far more complicated than that.

It's like Danzo killing the Uchiha (except without the all together immoral means used to accomplish this, e.g. coercing a 13 yr old, mutilating your old comrades/friends son/grandson). Funnily enough, I've seen many place this event into a moral grey area, yet, Danzo never allowed Hiruzen his diplomacy, and had an entire group of people murdered, even innocents. Essentially, it's comparable, but not as deplorable. So, labeling Danzo morally grey and not Sasuke is hypocritical. Not implying that you do, just seen this around recently.

Madara's way, however, takes free will out of the equation. Sasuke has never shown this as part of his goal, Orochimaru helping Tsunade is proof of this.

 

[Bronze]

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he wants the eternal genjutsu, and everyone's dreams will come which shows he wants peace.

 

[Frikid]

Actually everyone except naruto, looks at juubi as a threat and wants to kill it.

 

[Ciao]

Actually everyone except naruto, looks at juubi as a threat and wants to kill it.

The Tailed Beasts aren't evil as individuals.

 

[Pecnut]

I think Madara's ambition at first was for peace but now it's really unclear what he truly wants. Whereas Sasuke is the other way round, he was confused at first but now he apparently wants peace for Konoha.

I'm still waiting to see an interesting interaction between Madara and Sasuke, I hope there will be some sort of interaction at least.

 

[saw2097]

he wants the eternal genjutsu, and everyone's dreams will come which shows he wants peace.

No his dreams will come true, and he wants to take away free will and rule over this dream world as a god.

Madara is basically a man that has gone over the edge, the latest chapter and his desire to fight Hashirama makes me think that he really doesn't care about peace. He also shows signs of being sadistic, not the kind of person that should be running the world.

As for Sasuke, I agree that although he and Naruto are working together they are not on the same side.

Sasuke doesn't understand the real problem, he is using methods just like Danzo, and we have seen with Nagato and Kabuto just how successful those methods are.

Edit: While there are definitely similarities between Sasuke and Madara, I don't think Sasuke is as bad as Madara is.

 

[Frikid]

The Tailed Beasts aren't evil as individuals.

Even the bijju are hated.
Naruto was hated because of the bijju in him. Same goes with bee,gaara etc.

And i don't see how the bijju would be saved now that the juubi has been revived

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Even the bijju are hated.
Naruto was hated because of the bijju in him. Same goes with bee,gaara etc.

And i don't see how the bijju would be saved now that the juubi has been revived

Sasuke knows that the biju have minds of their own. He can probably figure out that they all might not be evil. He just doesn't care and considers them as objects in his way.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Sasuke knows that the biju have minds of their own. He can probably figure out that they all might not be evil. He just doesn't care and considers them as objects in his way.

Yeah, he knows that the kyuubi considers his family sinister, cursed and forsaken. Kurama literally did nothing but insult him and you expect Sasuke to take this as they "might not be evil." Bit of a jump in logic, don't you think? Anyways, this is irrelevant, it's not about whether or not they are sentient, it's about whether or not they can be reformed, as in, Sasuke needs to realize that he is in much the same situation. Not saying that'll change his mind, he is rather stubborn.

 

[Neonian]

He's still evil.

 

[Avonomemi]

I think the war is taking a troll on them and they just want it to end
BTW: sasuke and madara are not the same, hatred is all they have in common infact is what all uchiha have in common

 

[uchihajaime]

Yeah, he knows that the kyuubi considers his family sinister, cursed and forsaken. Kurama literally did nothing but insult him and you expect Sasuke to take this as they "might not be evil." Bit of a jump in logic, don't you think? Anyways, this is irrelevant, it's not about whether or not they are sentient, it's about whether or not they can be reformed, as in, Sasuke needs to realize that he is in much the same situation. Not saying that'll change his mind, he is rather stubborn.

Exactly my thoughts. Sasuke does not know that the tailed beasts aren't completely evil.

Moreover, there is little evidence to suggest Sasuke wants to kill the tailed beasts. It is possible he just wants to kill the ten tails and let the tailed beasts respawn.


Madara is what Sasuke could become, like Obito is what Naruto could become. I think Madara is even darker than Sasuke was in the Five Kage Summit. However, Sasuke has become less dark since them, though he is still dark. Sasuke is not near as dark as Madara. Also, Sasuke is and always has been loyal to the Uchiha clan, whereas Madara betrayed both his clan and village for power.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Exactly my thoughts. Sasuke does not know that the tailed beasts aren't completely evil.

Moreover, there is little evidence to suggest Sasuke wants to kill the tailed beasts. It is possible he just wants to kill the ten tails and let the tailed beasts respawn.


Madara is what Sasuke could become, like Obito is what Naruto could become. I think Madara is even darker than Sasuke was in the Five Kage Summit. However, Sasuke has become less dark since them, though he is still dark. Sasuke is not near as dark as Madara. Also, Sasuke is and always has been loyal to the Uchiha clan, whereas Madara betrayed both his clan and village for power.

Well, the system in place that he is talking about putting an end to seems to be implying that he's talking about the system of the tailed beasts. I'm not sure exactly how he intends to deal with them but it makes sense as Naruto wants the same, however, in a completely different way of going about it.

 

[KingHashirama]

of course agreed. And then Sasuke blames his actions on the Hokage who have saved countless lifes... while same can't be said for Sasuke.