Sasuke hasnt got Tsukuyomi

[Blaze Release]

I know its been said that itachi transferred his eye techniques to sasuke, but ill tell you why he doesnt have tsukuyomi and also ill show you that the genjutsu itachi used on sasuke wasnt tsukuyomi.

Finally im about to prove everybody wrong about sasuke using tsukuyomi. Sasuke has been seen activating his ms in order to use a genjutsu. He did exactly the same thing to Bee, C and Danzou and in all it either didnt affect them at all or briefly affected them.

Sasuke presumably using an ms genjutsu against bee

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Sasuke using ms genjutsu against C

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Sasuke using ms genjutsu against Danzou

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Tsukuyomi is the shinto moon god. All the times itachi has used tsukuyomi there has always been a red moon in the background, except ONE. This was during his fight with sasuke. Not only that but after finding out the truth of the fight i dont believe its tsukuyomi itachi used. Also tobi's moon eye plan also guess what has something to do with tsukuyomi. Anyway back to sasuke, in all the genjutsu he's used, never has there been a moon which symbolises tsukuyomi, but also the genjutsu didnt reall affect sasuke's opponents.

The reason bee broke free is because it was a regular genjutsu and that he had a partner to cancel the tech in the form of the 8 tailed. The real tsukuyomi cannot be cancelled even if your partner forced their chakra into you.

Secondly against C, it affected him for awhile but then got back up. If it was tsukuyomi he wouldnt have gotten up. Tsukuyomi kept both sasuke and kakashi in hospital for a week. The genjutsu, sasuke used wasnt tsukuyomi.

Thirdly against danzo it didnt paralyse him, but instead fooled him into believing that he had one eye left for izanagi. Danzo then infact confirmed that sasuke doesnt have tsukuyomi when he talked about the genjutsu power of itachi and sasuke.

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Sasuke believe it or not doesnt have tsukuyomi, because his opponent havent felt the effects of a true tsukuyomi but also the moon which represents tsukuyomi has never been in any of sasuke's ms genjutsu's.

Ill further demonstrate why it was normal genjutsu sasuke used on bee and the genjutsu itachi used. When sasuke used the genjutsu on bee he was in his demon cloack form, meaning he had another persons chakra following through him to cancel the tech, thats it, its not because it was a demons chakra.

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Now when itachi successfully caught bee in genjutsu he was in normal mode, he wasnt in the cloak mode, like how he was against sasuke.

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This further proves that normal genjutsu or tsukuyomi does work on a jinchircki, the only reason normal genjutsu wouldnt work on a jinchiricki who has control on their best is because another person chakra is disturbing the flow, thus cancelling the tech, but we know that tsukuyomi cannot be cancelled even if another person forces their chakra into you

 

[Alphonse Elric]

I always thought it was because sasuke wasn't very good at genjutsu and itachi was a master at it. So sasuke would be much weaker then sasuke compared to itachi. Danzo had 10 sharingan to tell him if he was in one or not. >.> Which is how he knew he was in a genjutsu. I always thought C was just on a normal sharingan genjutsu and not MS but I could be wrong. Now with bee I don't know.

 

[Blaze Release]

I always thought it was because sasuke wasn't very good at genjutsu and itachi was a master at it. So sasuke would be much weaker then sasuke compared to itachi. Danzo had 10 sharingan to tell him if he was in one or not. >.> Which is how he knew he was in a genjutsu. I always thought C was just on a normal sharingan genjutsu and not MS but I could be wrong. Now with bee I don't know.

Sasuke is good at genjutsu but obviously isnt on itachi's level. Jus trying to prove that the thing that symbolises tsukuyomi has been absent in all of sasuke's genjutsu and the genjutsu itachi used on sasuke during their fight

 

[LEAU92]

I do like your theory, but i'm going to have to disagree with it.

I think Sasuke's version of Tsukuyomi is a lot different to Itachi's version, but that doesn't take away the fact that it is still tsukuyomi.

Genjutsu's work like mind tormenting, it disturbs your chakra to the point where you have no mental control over body or in shisui's case, everything. All genjutsu's have similar outcomes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are all the same (even if it's under the same catagory).

Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi to the extent where he can manipulate reality in the opponents mind, however he can't manipulate time, Itachi can do both even with a simple point of his finger.

And when Danzo fought sasuke and was caught in Tsukuyomi, the genjutsu process wasn't complete seeing as sasuke's chakra was disturbed with danzo's curse seal.

So i think sasuke can use Tsukuyomi but it's worlds below Itachi's.

I actually find it interesting how Sasuke and Itachi contrast each other via there skill in their mangekyo techniques

Sasuke with Amaterasu - Sun
Itachi with Tsukuyomi - Moon

 

[juzumaki]

he does just havnt mastered it

 

[Mangekyo Master]

I always thought it was because sasuke wasn't very good at genjutsu and itachi was a master at it. So sasuke would be much weaker then sasuke compared to itachi. Danzo had 10 sharingan to tell him if he was in one or not. >.> Which is how he knew he was in a genjutsu. I always thought C was just on a normal sharingan genjutsu and not MS but I could be wrong. Now with bee I don't know.

dude your right

 

[Blaze Release]

I do like your theory, but i'm going to have to disagree with it.

I think Sasuke's version of Tsukuyomi is a lot different to Itachi's version, but that doesn't take away the fact that it is still tsukuyomi.

Genjutsu's work like mind tormenting, it disturbs your chakra to the point where you have no mental control over body or in shisui's case, everything. All genjutsu's have similar outcomes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are all the same (even if it's under the same catagory).

Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi to the extent where he can manipulate reality in the opponents mind, however he can't manipulate time, Itachi can do both even with a simple point of his finger.

And when Danzo fought sasuke and was caught in Tsukuyomi, the genjutsu process wasn't complete seeing as sasuke's chakra was disturbed with danzo's curse seal.

So i think sasuke can use Tsukuyomi but it's worlds below Itachi's.

I actually find it interesting how Sasuke and Itachi contrast each other via there skill in their mangekyo techniques

Sasuke with Amaterasu - Sun
Itachi with Tsukuyomi - Moon

Normal genjutsu does that. Infact the bold part ive highlighted from your quote proves that he doesnt have it. Also the curse seal doesnt disturb your chakra and even if it does, sasuke had already used the genjutsu before danzou got him with his curse mark.

 

[Veys]

With Bee was Tsukuyomi ..
With C was also Tsukuyomi ..
With Danzo he simple used a genjutsu there to add another eye to Danzos arm so he can later think he got 1 eye left in fact he doesnt and thats how he almost died ;o
And yea its another version of Tsukuyomi not like Itachi's version .. but its the same jutsu .. It doesnt metter how he is using it visualy but as long as he is paralised after that its the same thing

 

[pdaworld]

Its been stated in the manga the Sasuke genjutsu's was weaker than Itachi's. It was one of his specialties. It ha never been Sasuke's. Just because he can use it and has Itachi's eye does not mean he is all of a sudden just as good as itachi. He has the ability to use it not the skill of Itachi.

 

[Blaze Release]

With Bee was Tsukuyomi ..
With C was also Tsukuyomi ..
With Danzo he simple used a genjutsu there..
And yea its another version of Tsukuyomi than Itachi's but its the same jutsu .. It doesnt metter how he is using it visualy but as long as he is paralised after that its the same thing

You say with bee it was tsukuyomi, same with C but different with danzou and yet ignore the fact that in all three there are similar effects. None of these suffered the true side effects of tsukuyomi, but also there was no moon, which symbolises tsukuyomi. Not just that danzou and bee cancelled it and they shouldve have been able to

 

[LEAU92]

Normal genjutsu does that. Infact the bold part ive highlighted from your quote proves that he doesnt have it. Also the curse seal doesnt disturb your chakra and even if it does, sasuke had already used the genjutsu before danzou got him with his curse mark.

Yeah but didn't danzo quote him on his use of tsukuyomi and how it is worlds below itachi's tsukuyomi.

Danzo would never comment on someone's jutsu unless he's experienced it first hand (thats common sense).

Like when he was caught in amaterasu, or crushed by susano'o, he commented on all of sasuke's mangekyo abilities because he knew what they were and he analyzed sasuke's skill in using them.

 

[Blaze Release]

Yeah but didn't danzo quote him on his use of tsukuyomi and how it is worlds below itachi's tsukuyomi.

Danzo would never comment on someone's jutsu unless he's experienced it first hand (thats common sense).

Like when he was caught in amaterasu, or crushed by susano'o, he commented on all of sasuke's mangekyo abilities because he knew what they were and he analyzed sasuke's skill in using them.

Danzou commented him on his use of genjutsu, normal genjutsu. Also he doesnt neccesarily have had experienced it.

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[LEAU92]

Normal genjutsu does that. Infact the bold part ive highlighted from your quote proves that he doesnt have it. Also the curse seal doesnt disturb your chakra and even if it does, sasuke had already used the genjutsu before danzou got him with his curse mark.

oh and i forgot one more thing lol

Danzo applied the curse seal when he caught him in a choke hold, then when sasuke activated Tsukuyomi, danzo activated it.

He knew sasuke's skill in tsukuyomi wasn't as good as itachi's due to his lack of control over time. So he took the opportunity to activate the curse seal once he was under the genjutsu.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

I do like your theory, but i'm going to have to disagree with it.

I think Sasuke's version of Tsukuyomi is a lot different to Itachi's version, but that doesn't take away the fact that it is still tsukuyomi.

Genjutsu's work like mind tormenting, it disturbs your chakra to the point where you have no mental control over body or in shisui's case, everything. All genjutsu's have similar outcomes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are all the same (even if it's under the same catagory).

Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi to the extent where he can manipulate reality in the opponents mind, however he can't manipulate time, Itachi can do both even with a simple point of his finger.

And when Danzo fought sasuke and was caught in Tsukuyomi, the genjutsu process wasn't complete seeing as sasuke's chakra was disturbed with danzo's curse seal.

So i think sasuke can use Tsukuyomi but it's worlds below Itachi's.

I actually find it interesting how Sasuke and Itachi contrast each other via there skill in their mangekyo techniques

Sasuke with Amaterasu - Sun
Itachi with Tsukuyomi - Moon

bold part agreed.... and the part which isnt bold is also agreed...xdxdxdxd

 

[Blaze Release]

oh and i forgot one more thing lol

Danzo applied the curse seal when he caught him in a choke hold, then when sasuke activated Tsukuyomi, danzo activated it.

He knew sasuke's skill in tsukuyomi wasn't as good as itachi's due to his lack of control over time. So he took the opportunity to activate the curse seal once he was under the genjutsu.

Sasuke already had used the genjutsu before danzou chocked him

 

[LEAU92]

Danzou commented him on his use of genjutsu, normal genjutsu. Also he doesnt neccesarily have had experienced it.

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I think i should say my last bit of evidence which proves he has tsukyomi.

In order to awaken the susano'o, you have to awaken both the mangekyo techniques in your eyes correct ?

so if itachi and sasuke are brothers, they should share the same mangekyo techniques (which explains the process of obtaining the EMS, you would need eyes that are of the same lineage and same type in order to gain this power).

Sasuke's eyes are identical to itachi's eyes, therefore they have the same techniques and sasuke would have tsukuyomi and amaterasu due to the fact that he can use susano'o.

 

[natssuu]

Itachi's Tsukiyomi is so powerful, because he can control space and time with it.

 

[Blaze Release]

I think i should say my last bit of evidence which proves he has tsukyomi.

In order to awaken the susano'o, you have to awaken both the mangekyo techniques in your eyes correct ?

so if itachi and sasuke are brothers, they should share the same mangekyo techniques (which explains the process of obtaining the EMS, you would need eyes that are of the same lineage and same type in order to gain this power).

Sasuke's eyes are identical to itachi's eyes, therefore they have the same techniques and sasuke would have tsukuyomi and amaterasu due to the fact that he can use susano'o.

Actually until we find out that madara can also use amaterasu and tsukuyomi, we cannot assume that in order to have susanoo you must have those two techs. What it said in the manga is that the final tech an ms user has when he activates both his eyes is susanoo and this was in the case of itachi and sasuke only, whom itachi gave his eye techs to.

Also believe that if itachi didnt give his eye techs to sasuke, he wouldve unlocked his own ms tech

 

[captainEO]

With Bee was Tsukuyomi ..
With C was also Tsukuyomi ..
With Danzo he simple used a genjutsu there to add another eye to Danzos arm so he can later think he got 1 eye left in fact he doesnt and thats how he almost died ;o
And yea its another version of Tsukuyomi not like Itachi's version .. but its the same jutsu .. It doesnt metter how he is using it visualy but as long as he is paralised after that its the same thing

this.


Firstly, Sasuke awoke Amterasu + Tsukuyomi on his own. Those are his techniques not Itachi's.

Sasuke has used tsukuyomi twice that I'm aware of, once on Bee and once on Shee.

It is just that he hasn't mastered tsukuyomi to the extent Itachi has. And I don't blame him, he didn't have MS for very long

 

[lanakau888]

Dude, you are waaay overthinking things.

Its been stated that Itachi used tsukuyomi against sasuke.
Its been stated that sasuke used tsukuyomi against danzo.

Sasuke has Susanoo, which is the third technique of the mangekyou sharingan, after amaterasu and tsukuyomi, which means that sasuke has definitely has and has used both.

The manga makes it very clear that it was tsukuyomi.

I think you are just overthinking things to the extreme.