Sasuke hasn't done anything bad at all!

[Shadow Phantasm]

- Attempted to kill Kakashi and Sakura (His sensei and "comrade"), both of which are innocent.

- Tried to capture Bee and hand him over to the Akatsuki which would of lead to his death.

- Attacked the Hokage summit killing innocent people and killing the Hokage.

- Worked with Orochimaru and planned on destroying the leaf villiage.

Ect...

Yeah there is no way Sasuke is going to be let off the hook for what he did.The best he could hope for is that the five Hokage let him live the rest of his life as a exile.

 

[shelke]

You are trying to justify a criminals deeds, whether it's real life or not he broke the law and betrayed his village. Following the law of Kohona (like Danzo stated) he should have been punished. You credit Itachi for punishment but not Sasuke. He killed the leader of a village, crooked or not. No one said Sasuke was the only criminal, however he is a criminal none the less

Stop quoting me. I don't want to entertain you or your monotonous views. Your persistent efforts at gaining my attention grate with me.

Bullshit. This is Naruto-verse, not real world democracy - even on that ground you are hilariously off course. All these kids are taught to KILL, STEAL military secrets, TORTURE prisoners, and other common ninja tactics they taught them way back in Chunin exams. Ring any bells? Is this what your school teaches you? You want to talk about betrayal? Should anyone entertain a village/establishment that butchered your entire kith and kin and left nothing? What kind of gene-pool you come from or seriously, what is it that you cannot grasp the other factors the story represents? Even a freaking guppy would get this by now.

Secondly, you may be one of those close-minded 'bewildered sheep' within a political set-up that lap up all the patriotic shit, but not everyone follows the line. Sasuke owes Konoha nothing, nor do people in real life. In real world, you pay taxes and you get the goods in return. Stop showering me with this indoctrinated rubbish you seemed to be filled to the brim with. Some people do not believe in this school of thought, so keep those 'Wah he betrayed his village wah' whines to yourself. I for one, don't give shit about them.

The leader of the village that got his whole family killed? Or the man who was plotting from god knows how many years to topple Hokage, never aided when Pein leveled the village to the ground, stayed in touch with a man who murdered the hokage and caused many causalities, conspired with Hazno the Salamander to get Yahiko murdered, backed away from the ONLY promise he made to Itachi for protecting his brother over his sacrifice for Konoha itself to get his Sharingan etc etc etc and more etceteras? My goodness. The makings of a amazing leader.

How immature can you get? Why don't you open a decent book and study human psychology, Or a history book concerning law and order through the eons and how such arbitrary leaders are actually dealt with in politics before you open your flapping lips. Because as you stand, I wouldn't be surprised if you live in a pen among dead cows and no living, breathing human being with enough intelligence or intellectual capacity more than a pile of rocks.

- Attempted to kill Kakashi and Sakura (His sensei and "comrade"), both of which are innocent.

- Tried to capture Bee and hand him over to the Akatsuki which would of lead to his death.

- Attacked the Hokage summit killing innocent people and killing the Hokage.

- Betrayed the villiage and worked with Orochimaru

- Planned on destroying the leaf villiage.

Ect...

Nothing bad at all.

Picked those up from fan-fiction.net?

- Sakura and Kakashi went there to kill him. Self-defense tactic that any man is or should be allowed. I would have butchered both of them there and then without a shred of remorse and so would anyone else. Self-existence is THAT important. Any man would strive to protect his life. I would love to hear your logic here. It would be a treat.

- False. Infiltrated the summit and had to defend himself after Obito betrayed him through Zetsu. Another Fanfic non-sense, I see.

- Just like Hizuren betrayed the village by letting Orochimaru live? But he is somehow a hero here. Just like Danzo betrayed the village by remaining in touch with an S class criminal and he may have been the reason behind Orochimaru's attack, along with Hanzo the Salamander? But he's a great leader. Love the large fill in the blanks you left in the actual manga plot-line.

- Which is a great thing. Konoha is like a juggernaut before which countless clans, ninjas, and small villages are/were slaughtered so it could rise to the top - uchiha Clan, Pein's village, the original Akatsuki, and countless ninjas slaughtered by Danzo to name a few. It deserves to be expunged from the face of the earth as its personal retribution for all the ill inflicted on many people. It's called leveling the balance. Ever heard of that? You should look around.

 

[take it easy]

his attack on bee equals reviving juubi

 

[Fanta]

Picked those up from fan-fiction.net? what?, no..

- Sakura and Kakashi went there to kill him. Self-defense tactic that any man is or should be allowed. I would have butchered both of them there and then without a shred of remorse and so would anyone else. Self-existence is THAT important. Any man would strive to protect his life. I would love to hear your logic here. It would be a treat. He had turned evil and was a wanted criminal, it's not like he was defending his innocence. Don't care what you say, trying to kill your former comrade and sensei so cold-heartily is just wrong.. at least that's my opinion.

- False. Infiltrated the summit and had to defend himself after Obito betrayed him through Zetsu. Another Fanfic non-sense, I see. He planned to kill Danzo from the very start and would kill anyone who was defending the Hokage summit for his own selfish revenge.

- Just like Hizuren betrayed the village by letting Orochimaru live? But he is somehow a hero here. Just like Danzo betrayed the village by remaining in touch with an S class criminal and he may have been the reason behind Orochimaru's attack, along with Hanzo the Salamander? But he's a great leader. Love the large fill in the blanks you left in the actual manga plot-line. Yet Hizuren and the rest still loved and tried to protect the villiage until they died. Unlike Sasuke who completely abandoned it.

- Which is a great thing. Konoha is like a juggernaut before which countless clans, ninjas, and small villages are/were slaughtered so it could rise to the top - uchiha Clan, Pein's village, the original Akatsuki, and countless ninjas slaughtered by Danzo to name a few. It deserves to be expunged from the face of the earth as its personal retribution for all the ill inflicted on many people. It's called leveling the balance. Ever heard of that? You should look around.Your own personal opinion which carries no significance towards the manga.

answers in bold

 

[HadouKage]

Stop quoting me. I don't want to entertain you or your monotonous views. Your persistent efforts at gaining my attention grate with me.

Bullshit. This is Naruto-verse, not real world democracy - even on that ground you are hilariously off course. All these kids are taught to KILL, STEAL military secrets, TORTURE prisoners, and other common ninja tactics they taught them way back in Chunin exams. Ring any bells? Is this what your school teaches you? You want to talk about betrayal? Should anyone entertain a village/establishment that butchered your entire kith and kin and left nothing? What kind of gene-pool you come from or seriously, what is it that you cannot grasp the other factors the story represents? Even a freaking guppy would get this by now.

Secondly, you may be one of those close-minded 'bewildered sheep' within a political set-up that lap up all the patriotic shit, but not everyone follows the line. Sasuke owes Konoha nothing, nor do people in real life. In real world, you pay taxes and you get the goods in return. Stop showering me with this indoctrinated rubbish you seemed to be filled to the brim with. Some people do not believe in this school of thought, so keep those 'Wah he betrayed his village wah' whines to yourself. I for one, don't give shit about them.

The leader of the village that got his whole family killed? Or the man who was plotting from god knows how many years to topple Hokage, never aided when Pein leveled the village to the ground, stayed in touch with a man who murdered the hokage and caused many causalities, conspired with Hazno the Salamander to get Yahiko murdered, backed away from the ONLY promise he made to Itachi for protecting his brother over his sacrifice for Konoha itself to get his Sharingan etc etc etc and more etceteras? My goodness. The makings of a amazing leader.

How immature can you get? Why don't you open a decent book and study human psychology, Or a history book concerning law and order through the eons and how such arbitrary leaders are actually dealt with in politics before you open your flapping lips. Because as you stand, I wouldn't be surprised if you live in a pen among dead cows and no living, breathing human being with enough intelligence or intellectual capacity more than a pile of rocks.



Picked those up from fan-fiction.net?

- Sakura and Kakashi went there to kill him. Self-defense tactic that any man is or should be allowed. I would have butchered both of them there and then without a shred of remorse and so would anyone else. Self-existence is THAT important. Any man would strive to protect his life. I would love to hear your logic here. It would be a treat.

- False. Infiltrated the summit and had to defend himself after Obito betrayed him through Zetsu. Another Fanfic non-sense, I see.

- Just like Hizuren betrayed the village by letting Orochimaru live? But he is somehow a hero here. Just like Danzo betrayed the village by remaining in touch with an S class criminal and he may have been the reason behind Orochimaru's attack, along with Hanzo the Salamander? But he's a great leader. Love the large fill in the blanks you left in the actual manga plot-line.

- Which is a great thing. Konoha is like a juggernaut before which countless clans, ninjas, and small villages are/were slaughtered so it could rise to the top - uchiha Clan, Pein's village, the original Akatsuki, and countless ninjas slaughtered by Danzo to name a few. It deserves to be expunged from the face of the earth as its personal retribution for all the ill inflicted on many people. It's called leveling the balance. Ever heard of that? You should look around.

And you quote me for stating facts saying I'm monotonous?
When you're including your own opinion arguing with manga facts?
The same guy that can't comprehend the prowess, of a Gakido's feat against a jutsu, I'm done arguing with you, nath0man has taken the liberty in using your own statements to contradict your delusional opinions

 

[paratise]

answers in bold

And this is how you win a debate.
But there would not be so much debate if someone claims Sasuke is right in his actions.

 

[HadouKage]

And this is how you win a debate.
But there would not be so much debate if someone claims Sasuke is right in his actions.

Guys delusional, saying real world laws don't apply in Naruto as they are wrong for being ninja. Like wth???? :|

 

[sulanis]

this is like the third pro sasuke thread you've created!

You're an extreme fanboy lol.

Ok, lets look at this.

1) Sasuke is incredibly selfish - Doesn't listen to people when they are trying to help him or reason with him.
2) Sasuke is Easily Manipulated - Ororchimaru, Obito both used the crap out of him. Given Sasuke did kill an extreme weak version of Ororchimaru.
3) He killed Karin because she was in his way

Sasuke is powerful and smart in certain ways, but I'm pretty sure trying to commit genocide is a bad thing, ignoring the poeple who want the best for you is a bad thing, Siding with mass murderers is a bad thing.

however i will give him some credit as it appears in the manga now Sasuke finally is deciding what to do on his own.

 

[shelke]

@nathoman

- Evil is a subjective term and your own interpretation, who is blatantly throwing other factual happenings out of the window. There is no such thing as a good within a ninja system. Imagine how many people Kakashi must have killed in the name of his village, which isn’t justified from any angle.

Even if I do side with you for even a second, killing someone who has come to kill you is justified on grounds of survival alone. I cannot believe I even have to type it, as it’s encoded in every single man’s genes; the struggle for survival.
He would have been a good guy in your book had he stuck his neck out for Sakura and Kakashi to kill him? What kind of biased and utterly gross logic is this? You seem to find killing from one side all right, but a survival instant criminal and evil which is present in every single living being? Jolly Good.

- Kindly prove even with a single manga scan and you are right. Otherwise, it's pure fanfiction. What is 'selfish' exactly? Taking revenge for your slain kith and kin is selfish? But siding with Jingoism and patriotic rubbish is selfless? Your justifications for Konoha are highly ironic as this is what they teach their kids, infiltration, murder, and how to extract information out of an enemy with common torture tactics. Or have you forgotten the Chunin exam lectures?

Danzo deserved to die, plain and simple.

- They protected the village by aiding people who murdered their fellow men? Not a very sound logic, is it?

- Actually, it does. Any piece of writing has a vast room for interpretation. At least I am doing so in regards to manga plot-line, unlike your up-in-the-air, straw clutches that conveniently throw away several plot factors out of the said logic without any reason. If you want to interpret anything, take everything in to account.

The irony of the situation is; out of both of us, your logic is largely opinion based as I pointed out through your use of 'attacking the summit', 'selfish reasons' etc that are not supported by Naruto himself.

@HadouKage Nathoman, you have got a new fan. Congratulations. Thank God, he is off my back.