Sasuke has been holding back

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Same thing Sasuke Fanboys where doing when Sasuke got ran through by Madara. They were BOTH soloed by Madara so what is there to even argue about?




Stop with that. Sasuke has Itachi's eyes got some senjutsu from Kabuto, a new jutsu from Hashirama, and a rikudo powerup from Hagoromo. He is as much of a "borrower" as Naruto.

So sick of both Naruto and Sasuke fanboys playing the "borrowed power" card like this proves one is better than the other.

The difference is Sasuke is still one person, Naruto is 10, the 9 bijuu (they are living chakra monsters)plus himself = 1 Sasuke
 

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Susano'o can also be used to enhance Rinnengan techniques.
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If Sasuke can use his Susano'o to BDRS then countering them is no problem
Not even sure how Susanoo enhances Rinnegan Techniques.
Sure, but it's going take more from Susanoo to counter the said technique.
 

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I don't think Sasuke was holding back. Much like Naruto, he wasn't sure of the extent of the abilities his Rinnegan granted him. Unlike Madara who had decades to research and grow accustomed to his Rinnegan before handing it over to Nagato, Sasuke just barely obtained it. He relied more on his Sharingan ablitlies than Rinnegan.

The same goes for Naruto. He hasn't even begun to fully use his Omyoudon (black balls) for more than platforms for Sasuke to stand on. He also has the chakra rods to combat Sasuke's Kusanagi.

Sasuke wasn't holding back, he just wasn't aware of what he could do until just recently as many others pointed out. He did say he was begining to grow accustomed to his Rinnegan. With growing accustomed comes the access of more abilities it seems. I doubt this is all he (Sasuke) is capable of.

Don't be sruprised if he starts using Shinra Tensei, Banso Tenin, and absorbing jutsu as well.

At the same time don't be surprised if Naruto starts using the Omyoudon like Obito did or even that Ashura Avatar to combat Susanool.
agreed with this
 

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Susano'o can also be used to enhance Rinnengan techniques.
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If Sasuke can use his Susano'o to BDRS then countering them is no problem



Doesn't Naruto only have like 2 TSBs left?
I believe Hagoromo said that he still has the chakra that he received from all the bijuu. He was going to use that chakra to facilitate a place for all 9 bijuu to meet incase they needed to talk....You know...Before Sasuke caught them all like pokemon XD

The difference is Sasuke is still one person, Naruto is 10, the 9 bijuu (they are living chakra monsters)plus himself = 1 Sasuke
while true it's somewhat of a moot point. Whether beasts or eyes, the power is more or less, borrowed. The rest is just symantics.
 
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Not even sure how Susanoo enhances Rinnegan Techniques.
Sure, but it's going take more from Susanoo to counter the said technique.
That scan I posted showed that it is possible to use a larger scan Rinnengan technique. There is no way that Madara bringing down that meteor wasn't a rinnengan technique. We have also seen that even PS uses sharingan jutsu (similar to how Sasuke uses Enton with his susano'o)
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So, if you take what BZ said. Then Sasuke's PS should be connected to his Rinnengan, not sharingan.
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I believe Hagoromo said that he still has the chakra that he received from all the bijuu. He was going to use that chakra to facilitate a place for all 9 bijuu to meet incase they needed to talk....You know...Before Sasuke caught them all like pokemon XD



while true it's somewhat of a moot point. Whether beasts or eyes, the power is more or less, borrowed. The rest is just symantics.
My point was that Naruto won't be able to imitate Obito's level of manipulation with just two TSB, though Naruto can still go into 6PSM.
Knowing how much of a beast Kurama used to be and hearing him cry out to Naruto to save him for the third time just makes Kurama seem like a priss now. (so sad)
 
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That scan I posted showed that it is possible to use a larger scan Rinnengan technique. There is no way that Madara bringing down that meteor wasn't a rinnengan technique. We have also seen that even PS uses sharingan jutsu (similar to how Sasuke uses Enton with his susano'o)
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So, if you take what BZ said. Then Sasuke's PS should be connected to his Rinnengan, not sharingan.
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My point was that Naruto won't be able to imitate Obito's level of manipulation with just two TSB, though Naruto can still go into 6PSM.
Knowing how much of a beast Kurama used to be and hearing him cry out to Naruto to save him for the third time just makes Kurama seem like a priss now. (so sad)
I'll concede to that.
 

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What wonders me is why this is even being discussed. Whether he was holding or not none of his techs are going to work against naruto who has been fighting rinnegan users since pain arc XD. Naruto has already witnessed and countered rinnegan's full power multiple times, what can sasuke possibly do at this point is beyond me. Sure he seems strong against fodders like sakura, kakashi etc. but against naruto?, not really.
 

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My point was that Naruto won't be able to imitate Obito's level of manipulation with just two TSB, though Naruto can still go into 6PSM.
Knowing how much of a beast Kurama used to be and hearing him cry out to Naruto to save him for the third time just makes Kurama seem like a priss now. (so sad)
i feel bad fo the bijuus.
Been Obito's ragdolls then got pulled out of him to become Madara's Powersource and got relesed to Fly in Sasuke,s CT moons
 

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It makes perfect sense when you think about it, Sasuke revealed in the latest chapter that this whole time he was waiting for all the threats to his Revolution to be eliminated. Madara, Kaguya, Obito, Black Zetsu, the edo Kage, and double kamui Kakashi mainly and now Naruto is the only one left. During the fight with Kaguya, Sasuke stated that he or Naruto couldn't die because they had to seal her, so he cooperated, but in the back of his mind he knew his true goal was to take out Naruto. Sasuke did next to nothing against Kaguya because he was preserving chakra and letting Naruto do most of the fighting. Sasuke's not dumb he realized early on that his rinnegan eye and Kaguya's would simply cancel eachother out, so Naruto was better suited to fight her. Now that Kaguya has been sealed and the other threats removed, Sasuke is relatively fresh while Naruto has exhausted most of his chakra and the bijuu are locked away in Chibaku Tensei so they can't leech him more. I personally would like them not to fight now, because logically Sasuke would win easily at this point. I want them both at their best.
You do know Kurana replenish his chakra right? Naruto been in base since they sealed Kaguya so Naruto would still have more chakra than Sasuke who was using Rinnegan jutsus which would be costly as MS jutsus are. No they wouldn't cancel each other out, Kaguya was far stronger than Sasuke and destroyed Sasuke's strongest power, PS. Sasuke knew Kaguya was on another level the moment he said her chakra was on another level. Sasuke had the Rinnegan when he was fighting Madara yet Kishi nerfed Madara so he wouldn't use his Susanoo, wood jutsus, wood clones, katon jutsus, Rinnegan jutsus (Deva, absorb, weapon, summoning) which he used pre Jin and as an Edo yet he stopped using them as the Juubi Jin when in fact all of those jutsus would be powered up by the Juubi power. No nerf and Madara with 1 eye would be both Naruto and Sasuke.

Sasuke knew pure strength won't do anything and will be ineffective no matter how strong you are, since she can regenerate any damage you give her, he knew the only way to defeat her was by sealing her, saving chakra since its not needed U_U

Plus the only person who could really damage her was Naruto since he has senjutsu (nature energy), it would be harder to detect compared to Sasuke's
No he didn't, you needed to be strong to be able to get her in the position to seal her. You can expect to seal her without using a good amount of Chakra. Sasuke also have Senjutsu given to him by the Sage and .

Sasuke even confirmed this last chapter, while they were fighting he was getting used to the rinnegan, the only rinnegan ability he used in the battle was S/T, the rest he managed to train it somehow
You train it by using it, he was using his Rinnegan in the fight and that's how he got use to it. He did the same thing with his MS, he used it a lot which allowed him to master it as fast as he did.

Perfect Susanoo is a Ems technique, clearly not his strongest tech to anyone with a few brain cells, and he used it mostly for defense the same way naruto used his chakra cloak in the same way
Sasuke's PS was powered up from the Sage's chakra so it can be considered a Rinnegan jutsu since it requires both eyes and Sasuke use 1 EMS and 1 Rinnegan to use it. Naruto never used his Bijuu avatar at all against Madara or Kaguya though. Anyways he was new with his Rinnegan so his strongest attack was PS, if he discovers another jutsu that is stronger then it will change but he didn't until CT.

He was testing her strength, like all great shinobi do, not just randomly using tailed beast chakra or shadow clones like some people. He knew sealing her was the only way to win.
He had no reason to test her strength, he knew she was on another level . Naruto was actually the one who came up with plans that landed hits on Kaguya that allow then to almost seal Kaguya so how was Naruto randomly using clones and tailed beast chakra? Kakashi also came up the strategy that beat Kaguya so Sasuke couldn't come up with a stategy that could set up for sealing her nor could he do damage to her yet you're belittling Naruto who did both? If Sasuke knew sealing her was the only way then why couldn't he come up with a plan to do that? Why wasn't he strong enough to do just that?
 

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logically Sasuke would win easily at this point. I want them both at their best.
Agreed that Naruto has been fighting longer than Sasuke although Naruto still has the ability to fight after obtaining body of the sage

Sasuke hasn't been holding back, his techniques were pretty much ineffective against Kaguya

P.S. They're pretty much equal .
 

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What wonders me is why this is even being discussed. Whether he was holding or not none of his techs are going to work against naruto who has been fighting rinnegan users since pain arc XD. Naruto has already witnessed and countered rinnegan's full power multiple times, what can sasuke possibly do at this point is beyond me. Sure he seems strong against fodders like sakura, kakashi etc. but against naruto?, not really.
What you meant to say is the Kyuubi witnessed and countered Rinnegan, Nagato definitely wasn't full power and the first time Madara used a full powered Rinnegan technique with no eyes Kurama and the other bijuu were one shoted, but i'll let you go back to your fantasy world, tell the unicorn eating the candy apple I said hi :)
 
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that actually accounts for more than half his jutsus lol. But i dont really think sasuke was holding back, u cant expect someone to learn to control rinnegan whille holding back, can u? he can hold back only if he knew how to use that in the first place.
guess what. when you have doujutsu, you just know.. simple. you don`t need training. because you can see. you see your abilities. kamui, susanoo, etc etc. the eye must be developed to it`s fullest, and your mind must be trained, and you can use them. sasuke never had rinnegan, so during madara and kaguya fight, he trained his eye like lee trains his body, you can`t lift 3000 kg when you have 50 kg. you just don`t have rinnegan and in 1 seccond you do chibaku tensei without putting a strain on the eye and the body. i never saw kakashi training his kamui, but he used it, not like obito. because obito was using sharingan all the time, and he used kamui since he awakened it where kakashi barely used sharingan, not to speak anymore about kamui.
 
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Agreed that Naruto has been fighting longer than Sasuke although Naruto still has the ability to fight after obtaining body of the sage

Sasuke hasn't been holding back, his techniques were pretty much ineffective against Kaguya

P.S. They're pretty much equal .
I agree they're both equal at full strength, but after fighting for over 100 issues, I don't see how they are anywhere near that, I want a all out fight not some watered down, tnj battle
 
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