Sasuke has also acquired the senjutsu of the Sage of Six Paths
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Well truth, you are correct. Then it is:
Sasuke - six paths chakra + Nine tomoe Rinnegan + Hashirama's cells/chakra + Juugo's Cells
Naruto - six paths chakra + Senjtusu of six paths + Other half of Kurama + a bit of Gyuuki, a bit of Shukaku
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Yeah, Naruto got the yang symbol on his hand while Sasuke got the yin symbol. Previously,
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and one panel later he himself says
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so Sasuke is obviously referring to himself also using hermit chakra just like Naruto. Whether you call it yin chidori or whatever, it doesn't change the fact it contains senjutsu when he used the same thing Naruto used, albeit the Moon/Yin symbol as opposed to Naruto's Sun/Yang symbol and Naruto's was referred to as a senjutsu attack. Not to mention VotE Sasuke's black chidori also contains senjutsu, so there is a correlation between it being senjutsu and it being black. Whether you call it Yin chidori or senjutsu chidori, it matters not since I'm trying to say the Yin chakra Sasuke got from the S06P is an equivalent to senjutsu meaning it has the same properties as buffed up senjutsu. Remember how the Juubi is all natural energy (
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), it stands to reason that Hagoromo's chakra is a mixture of natural energy and his own physical/spiritual energies thus his chakra being the ultimate form of senjutsu. It stands to reason that Hagoromo's chakra is also natural energy since he has one half of the Juubi's fruit which contains the Juubi's chakra (
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). Also Kaguya was a part of the Juubi so she is also natural energy which Hagoromo inherited. Did Madara see the full extent of Sasuke's power? No he did not so you're point is moot since Sasuke ends up showing capabilities only possible with senjutsu or an equivalent thereof.
Nice point. Also Naruto and Sasuke almost died and were revived so to speak so it isn't surprising that Naruto and Sasuke attained senjutsu as a result of their deathlike ordeal.
Fine I guess I can attest to that if you agree that Rikudo's chakra itself is senjutsu.
Yeah while Naruto also has that as well as the chakra of all nine bijuu.
Yin and Yang is portrayed to be two halves of the same coin and I doubt the Sage would give Naruto a better version of senjutsu/Rikudo chakra when he himself believes that there should not be an uneven power balance (
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). Also as of now, there doesn't seem to be a difference between the power boost Naruto got and the power boost Sasuke got when it comes to overall base abilities. Naruto is now a pseudo Juubi jin that can use the
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which is better than Sasuke's one Rinnegan tech which has a limited range. You don't remember Sasuke having CS2 senjutsu before Naruto ever knew about Senjutsu back in part one? Also Naruto's body powerup is the chakra of all nine bijuu which Sasuke does not have thus putting Naruto above Sasuke when it comes to body power.These. It would completely contradict everything if Sasuke got a body and eye power up
And Sasuke has the Yin half which includes the Sage's spiritual energy so they both have the Sage's senjutsu but in a different form but it matters not since Yin and Yang are equal.
Okay so at the very least, you accept that Sasuke's base abilities have increased as a result of attaining the Sage's chakra? Also Sasuke may not be a senjutsu user like the ones you mentioned but his case is similar to the sound five who can use senjutsu without being Sages themselves.
As long as the chakra Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke are equal, they remain equal since Naruto has his own bijuu power while Sasuke has his ocular powers. Good point about the markings of a true sage but then again, has Hagoromo, Kaguya, etc. shown them? Yet it is pretty damn obvious that they are the ultimate form of senjutsu like I already explained above to Juan Mata.
1. No, their bodies have to be strong enough to handle it or else they
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, in toad sage mode's case, or in the cursed seals case,
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. 2. So the Rinnegan increases one's speed? Sounds legit. They were thrown against the ground by Kaguya at immense speeds and if it wasn't for Sasuke's enhanced durability as a result of attaining senjutsu chakra, he'd be in bad shape as Sakura's worrisome comment shows (
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). Susanoo wasn't used considering we actually see Sasuke in the
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without any ribcage susanoo.3. Madara did use
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. So you're in agreement that Sasuke has attained senjutsu from the S06P, okay we're on the right track. 4. Hagoromo transplanted his own senjutsu chakra into Sasuke when giving Sasuke the
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. Sasuke's already used senjutsu with his CS2 so it doesn't require any additional training since he was handed over this power on a silver platter. 1) Madara says that Sasuke was too far away for him to use his teleportation (
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). If you are going to say that Sasuke spammed his teleportation until he reached Madara, this is a wrong claim because Madara says, "But you're still really fast Sasuke." Madara wouldn't put the "but" in his statement if it was Sasuke using teleportation because Madara is commenting on how despite Sasuke being unable to use teleportation, regardless Sasuke is still very fast. If you still don't accept Sasuke used his foot speed, it matters not because Madara didn't outmanoeuvre Sasuke's sword slash and instead allowed himself to be hit unlike against SM Minato whom he reacted to despite teleportation. Before receiving this powerup, Sasuke was slower than Minato, but now he is faster. This can only be explained with Sasuke's attainment of senjutsu chakra from the Sage of Six Paths himself. 2) You basically proved that Sasuke's attack changed colour due to the colour of the seal not unlike what happened with his CS2, another proven variant of senjutsu.
3) Black Zetsu is the son of Kaguya (
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) so obviously he is going to be very powerful. Temari also has cutting attacks but since they are vastly inferior to Gai's evening elephant considering Temari can't create a cut as deep as 100 m, its damage per unit area is in fact weaker than Gai's attack. I brought up Temari because her attacks rival 3 tomoe Sasuke's before he gained the senjutsu of the Sage of Six Paths and neither has the feats of doing damage against Madara who withstood evening elephant. My point is Sasuke definitely received a buff when it comes to penetrating and cutting capability which can only be explained by his attainment of senjutsu which boosts all kinds of attacks. Madara is far more durable than Hachibi and it was the Hachibi's tentacles that got cut, the Hachibi itself isn't taking much damage from a shuriken. Consider the following: Piercing attacks are better at penetrating defences than slicing attacks because the damage per unit area is generally much higher within a piercing attack because the attack's strength is concentrated at a point unlike a slicing attack where the damage is concentrated over a line. However if a slicing attack is on a whole other level compared to a piercing attack, that slicing attack will have more damage per unit area. Although slicing based attacks tend to have a higher level of damage per unit area compared to pressure based attacks because the power of pressure based attacks are spread out throughout a 2D surface. Yet I'm sure we can agree that a pressure based attack on a higher level than a slicing based attack or even a piercing attack, it will yield more damage per unit area which is what is needed to get through defences, in this case Madara's skin.
When did Kabuto give Sasuke senjutsu chakra? I'm considering six paths chakra to be equivalent to senjutsu, read my reply to Juan Mata. Also enough with the eye VS body argument. This argument was null ever since Sasuke used CS2, a variant of senjutsu, long before Naruto used senjutsu. Consider this, Naruto gets senjutsu from the Sage of Six Paths and the power of the nine bijuu. Sasuke gets senjutsu from the Sage as well as the Rinnegan.
1) Sasuke caught up to him and Rikudou Madara commented on Sasuke's speed whereas blind non Rikudo Madara didn't acknowledge Sasuke's speed. It doesn't change the fact that Madara was casually outmaneuvering non Rikudou Sasuke (
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), but after becoming Juubi jin, Sasuke was putting a lot more pressure on Madara than before.2) So a beating from part one 1 Tailed Naruto is the same as a beating from Kaguya? Bear in mind Naruto did not throw Sasuke at the ground, he smacked him parallel to the ground and with less force as Kaguya did. Not to mention Sasuke had the curse mark which improves durability, which is a variant of senjutsu thus proving my point that Sasuke has attained senjutsu.
3) Exactly, Hagoromo's Yin chakra is the ultimate form of senjutsu like I explained previously in my reply to Juan Mata which is why it increased the power of Sasuke's attacks exponentially. Read my reply to Dimitri Rascalov, I've explained pressure and cutting attacks perfectly.
4) Tsunade can regenerate, but it means nothing if she is turned to paste. If Madara wasn't durable, he'd turn to paste after getting hit by evening elephant but he most certainly did not. Madara survived getting cut in half by Sasuke, that isn't my point, my point is would a previous iteration of Sasuke be able to slice Madara in half, absolutely not.
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No he didn't thought madara made it pretty clear that each obtained the other.
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1)how do you know madara meant his foot speed?,he also said tobirama was the fastest in his time,yet it is ftg that made him that,same with minato in his own time.
2)black zetsu just grabbed them and threw them away. Sakura was worried because they are her teammates and due to her sweet nature,kakashi wasnt even bothered,he knew they would be fine.
3)yin has nothing to do with senjutsu in any way. Like i showed before,
the chidori of sasuke wasnt black here,despite being in cs2. His attacks increased because hagoromo gave him power and yin chakra,remember what happened when naruto shared his chakra with the SA?,by how much did their power increase?,or when tsunade shared her chakra with onoki who was weakened,what happened then? How much more hagoromo?
Black zetsu admitted that bm minato and kakashi would kill him should he leave obito,he was beaten by chojuro,he isnt powerful. Obito himself also impaled madara too,the same one than tanked a daytime trigger. Hachibi's tentacles withstood a bijudama,which would make a large crater,but got cut by shurikens and chidori spear,which wont make a crater.
4) sure madara has some good durability,however it was his healing that saved him from gai. He vomitted his insides to a night moth kick and got blown almost in half,even he acknowledged that he could have died,take away his regeneration,and he would be dead. He didnt even recover completely until after absorbing the shinju..
Sasuke used the yin power to cut madara,not senjutsu
1)how do you know madara meant his foot speed?,he also said tobirama was the fastest in his time,yet it is ftg that made him that,same with minato in his own time.
2)black zetsu just grabbed them and threw them away. Sakura was worried because they are her teammates and due to her sweet nature,kakashi wasnt even bothered,he knew they would be fine.
3)yin has nothing to do with senjutsu in any way. Like i showed before,
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the chidori of sasuke wasnt black here,despite being in cs2. His attacks increased because hagoromo gave him power and yin chakra,remember what happened when naruto shared his chakra with the SA?,by how much did their power increase?,or when tsunade shared her chakra with onoki who was weakened,what happened then? How much more hagoromo?
Black zetsu admitted that bm minato and kakashi would kill him should he leave obito,he was beaten by chojuro,he isnt powerful. Obito himself also impaled madara too,the same one than tanked a daytime trigger. Hachibi's tentacles withstood a bijudama,which would make a large crater,but got cut by shurikens and chidori spear,which wont make a crater.
4) sure madara has some good durability,however it was his healing that saved him from gai. He vomitted his insides to a night moth kick and got blown almost in half,even he acknowledged that he could have died,take away his regeneration,and he would be dead. He didnt even recover completely until after absorbing the shinju..
Sasuke used the yin power to cut madara,not senjutsu
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BraveStorm
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Sadly ita true, kind of retarded if you ask me, it destroys the whole "body/eye" concept. But sasuke HAD to get some extra upgrade or he would be extremely useless.
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Yup because Madara is an idiot who doesn't know what he is saying, and everyone else who clearly has no clue about how rinnegan works and etc.. is smart and correct.
It simply means those who have the rinnegan can hit Madara also..... lord.
It simply means those who have the rinnegan can hit Madara also..... lord.
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dewooder123
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Maybe Sasuke only got enough of it to harm Madara? I think Naruto just got significant amounts more.
