Sasuke DOES NOT have tsukuyomi
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Its not just tobi who said it, sasuke also said it when he was talking to gaara, he said that sasuno'o is the power born when an uchiha has awalened mangyeko sharingan in both his eyes, he didn't say anything about having tsukiyomi and amaterusu.
We also have to factor in other uchiha's to the equation, Shisui seems to have had koto amatsu kami in both his eyes, or at least one of them, whichever you believe, it simply means that shishui can't possibly have both tsukiyomi and amaterusu since he has KA, which brings the question then, would he not be able to use sasuno'o even if he has mangyeko in both his eyes simply because he doesn't have amaterusu and tsukiuyomi?
It also comes to mind that sasuke has named all his mangyeko techs, amaterusu and enton: kagetsuchi, and other people have mentioned them too, but neither sasuke or anyone else has mentioned tsukiyomi at all, there has to be a reason for that.
Danzo didn't say that sasuke has tsukiyomi, he simply referred to sasuke's jutsu as a genjutsu that couldn't compare to Itachi's tsukiyomi, NOT a tsukiyomi that couldn't compare to Itachi's tsukiyomi.
Also, C seemed to have intel on Itachi and his abilities and kept comparing sasuke's use of the mangyeko to Itachi, mentioning that sasuke was using one eye to cast amaterusu and the othe eye to control and manipulate its shape, something that sasuke reffered to as enton, but when 9 was caught sasuke's genjutsu, he didn't say anything about tsukiyomi, not did sasuke word out the name of the jutsu, something he made a point to speak out when he used sasuno'o,enton, and amaterusu.
Also, when C saw sasuno'o, he compared it to the genjutsu that he was caught in, refeering to it only as 'that genjutsu', not tsukiyomi. He also refeered to it as a paralises genjutsu, and B refeered to the one that was used on him as a paralysis too. Tsukiyomi was never described as a paralysis genjutsu before. There is too much circumstantial eveidence pointing against sasuke having tsukiyomi and the most definite evidence is that he already has two abilties, amaterusu with one eye, and enton/blaze release with the other, sasuke has stronger genjutsu since he unlocked the mangyeko, but those are just normal genjutsu amplified by the power of a stronger eye I think, not tsukiyomi.
Now I would like to correct the people that keep saying sasuke was GIVEN the mangyeko BY Itachi, there is no such thing, Itachi implanted a ONE SHOT AUTOMATIC amaterusu into sasuke's left eye, not the mangyeko sharingan, sasuke unlocked HIS OWN mangyeko after he heard the truth about Itachi.
Case in point, the MS that appeared when Itachi's amaterusu activated automatically was the same tri pronged shiruken shape as Itachi's, but when sasuke goes to confron be, he show HIS OWN $S which is COMPLETELY different int design then Itachi's, Sasuke has his OWN mangyeko sharingan.
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From those pages you see Sasuke use both right and left eyes of his sharingan to us Amaterasu and Enton, it was analysed by the 4th Rikage's sensory at ow as I look at Bee vs Sasuke fight I see that it's not Tsukuyomi because Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu that's only happens outside for a few seconds but could be days inside the jutsu. Bee was hit with the regular genjutsu that paralyzed Bee and he commented that he couldn't move showing his body outside the genjutsu then the 8 tails broke him out of it. And if it was Tsukuyomi then Sasuke would have control over time like Itachi because its not like Itachi trained to get time control in it because his eyes lasted for 9 years from (got MS at 13 when sasuke was 7, Sasuke was 16 when Itachi died so he died at 22) getting the MS. Sasuke went blind in less then a month so I doubt Itachi could have trained to get control over time. A jutsu is a jutsu, Sasuke genjutsu was compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi by Danzo because Itachi was skilled in genjutsu all together but that doesn't mean he was using it. Im pretty sure he has it now with Itachi's eyes but from what we know you can only have 3 jutsus with MS and Sasuke showed all 3 at the kage Summit. Sasuke gets another jutsu with EMS and so did Madara, plus their brother's eye powers. It could be that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi but from what I've seen it doesn't look like he really has it but it was said Itachi gave Sasuke all of his MS jutsus so maybe. I just don't get how Sasuke can have 4 MS jutsus when you're suppose to only have 3, if Enton is his own MS jutsu from his MS then what are his other 2 Jutss? Also since Madara has his brother's eyes we don't know if Sasunoo or Tsukuyomi or if his brother did. As for Tsukuyomi not making the eye bleed, in Sasuke VS Danzo fight Sasuke's eye started to bleed then he used a genjutsu of Itachi that used Amaterasu which was a genjutsu. Sasuke came from behind Danzo to stab him in the back but couldn't move, Why would Sasuke's eyes bleed for a genjutsu when Itachi's eye also bleed for Amaterasu that was a genjutsu? This is where Danzo compared Sasuke's genjutsu to Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
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read the opening yo. . .
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yea definately cuz i didn't already admit this like 10 or more pages ago and i also don't pay attention t the manga because it's not like there are a bunch of signs pointing toward him not having tsukuyomi
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I already told you. If you want to lock the thread, PM a moderator and ask them to do it for you. There's no reason to let the shitstorms continue to rage.
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in all honesty i enjoy reading other oppinions and the idiots who talk shit can sit on one for all i care. also this is one topic that i am extremely on the fence about due to the fact that although apparently he has it he has a wanna-be version that can't control time so i do really like seeing the logical oppinions that say he may not have it
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sigh you are horribly misinformed... ITACHI'S TSUKYOMI lasts 1 second in real life and days in outside world... ITACHI had a natural aptitude to using genjutsu and tsukyomi, While SASUKE had a natural taking to manipulation of amaterasu flames...
AS DANZO said, sasuke cannot control the opponents perception of time like itachi could..... thus sasuke cannot make it 1sec-3days... if you read the manga you would know that....
Tsukyomi is not a genjutsu that lasts 1 second.... Tsukyomi is a genjutsu that can change depending on its user
Your ignorance in manga related facts, that were clearly stated by characters is beginning to tick me off ....
it sounds strange. can you answer me in the beginning of the series where you see Itachi vs. Kakashi that you will not see any ms from Itachi when he uses Tsukuyomi against Kakashi on the image in page 5 or 6 that you say is only the nomal Sharingan that I see no ms from Itachi? : S
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There is alot wrong with this post.
1. Sasuke did not use a genjutsu on Gaara in the link you posted. He had his left eye shut because of the blood and pain from using Amaterasu. He had his MS activated because he had Susanoo up.
2. Sasuke did not use a genjutsu on the Raikage in the link you posted, he used Blaze Release. He never used Tsukuyomi throughout his whole battle with the Raikage.
3. Tsukuyomi is just a high level genjutsu which is hard to detect, Itachi just has an affinity towards Tsukuyomi which allows him to manipulate time wherease Sasuke has an affinity towards Amaterasu which allows him to manipulate it using Blaze Release.
4. Trained to be able to manipulate? Sasuke managed to put out the Amaterasu his first time using it, and in his next battle was able to use shape manipulation with it.
5. Blaze Release IS NOT a jutsu, it is just a manipulation technique.
6. Sasuke's eye was bleeding ever since he used Amaterasu on Danzo, look at his left eye throughout the pages. It always has blood on it. He used Tsukuyomi with his RIGHT eye, like he did against Bee. Which is why he held is right eye.
7. Genjutsu/Tsukuyomi does not make your eye bleed.
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They purposefully didn't show his ms... at that time, and other times....All you see is viewing angles hiding his eyes for suspense..
same thing here.. purposefully hiding his ms...Itachi closes his eyes to activate it
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Once again, itachi closes his eyes to activate ms, before using ms, Purposefully hidden by Kishi
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I think this ^^
Show me where in the manga or what episode it says Tsukuyomi change depending on the user. I know everything you said about how Tsukuyomi works, what im saying is If you look up Tsukuyomi it would give you the same info it gave me which everything Itachi and Kakashi said about it. Without the time aspect Tsukuyomi is just like a plan genjutsu thats not so special, it would be like on of Itachi's regular genjutsu. So to say Tsukuyomi changes with the user is crazy without it being stated and I know jutsus change but only when the user makes it their own and Tsukuyomi is a doujutsu. And Danzo said compared Sasuke's genjutsu (didn't call it Tsukuyomi) to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, why wouldn't Danzo who have knowledge on Uchiha's jutsus not call it Tsukuyomi? Yeah I know Itachi favors genjutsu but Sasuke favors his lightning element over his fire element and Itachi's fire jutsu was winning until Sasuke used his curse mark for a power boost to turn the tides so its easy to see Itachi favored both genjutsu and fire jutsu. Sasuke no doubt has Tsukuyomi now but has not shown anything similar to what the manga describes Tsukuyomi to be yet. With no time interval it's just a plan genjutsu and everyone can agree on that.
You didn't read my post right lol I never said Sasuke used Tsukuyomi or a genjutsu on Gaara or at the kage summit, I said the Raikage's sensory stated Sasuke used Amaterasu with one eye and manipulated it with the other eye and you can see it in the pages it you know your left from right (their right is our left and out left is their right). Sasuke's eyes started to bleed when he used a genjutsu with Itachi and crows and the genjutsu shows Itachi's eye bleeding as he used Amaterasu but the whole thing was a genjutsu because Danzo wasn't in pain, compare the genjutsu as not being on the same level as Itachi's Tsukuyomi and shows Sasuke attacking Danzo from behind. So why did Sasuke's eyes bleed when he wasn't in Sasunoo at the time and the Amaterasu was a genjutsu? Makes no sense for Sasuke to have Tsukuyomi when 2 of his MS jutsus were already stated by the Raikage's sensory plus him having Sasunoo. MS only comes with 3 jutsus but should have it with EMS since he took Itachi's eyes. And sasuke never used Tsukuyomi since he never shown the time aspect of Tsukuyomi and without the time control (making 1 second in the real world equal days in Tsukuyomi) it's just a plan genjutsu. Hope I cleared that up for you.
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My Bad, I misread the post. Still though, Sasuke can have Blaze Release and Tsukuyomi in the same eye because Blaze Release is not a Jutsu.
Show me where it has Sasuke's eye start to bleed when he uses a Genjutsu. During his fight with Danzo, his left eye was always bleeding ever since he used Amaterasu on him. Check Sasuke's left eye from when he uses Amaterasu on Danzo all the way to when he uses Tsukuyomi on Danzo, you will see that it always has blood on it.
Like I said, Blaze Release is not a Jutsu, it is only a shape manipulation technique (Advanced Chakra Nature). He uses shape manipulation with Amaterasu. So without Amaterasu, Sasuke wouldn't be able to use Blaze Release. So Sasuke only has 3 MS Jutsus (Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo).
A default Tsukuyomi is not supposed to change time, Itachi's is the only one which could do that. Tsukuyomi is just a powerful and highly undetectable genjutsu.
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Itachi's and Itachi's only is unbeatable, because he is able to manipulate time in it. Itachi never said anyones Tsukuyomi, he said his only.
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^ This. It's Clearly Not As Strong Or Long In Duration As Itachi's, But Using It Did Cause Him Exhaustive Strain, As Seen During His Use Of The Technique Against Killer Bee & C; Something That Would Not Have Happened Had He Been Using Regular Genjutsu.
Furthermore, Just As Itachi Was More Skilled In His Use Of Tsukuyomi [Capable Of Utilizing The Technique For 72 Hours Straight], Sasuke Is More Skilled In His Use Of Amaterasu [Creation Of Blaze Release, Manipulation Of Amaterasu] - It All Evens Out, Roughly, At Least.
Amaterasu:
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Susano'o Is Listed Under 'Derived' Jutsu, Showing That Amaterasu Is 1 Of The 2 Abilities.
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Again, Susano'o Is Listed Under 'Derived' Jutsu; It's The 2nd Ability Required. Sasuke Is Also Listed Under 'Users' Of The Technique.
Susano'o:
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"Susanoo is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan after awakening the abilities in both eyes."
In Terms Of Requirements, The Two Abilities Are Indeed Tsukuyomi & Amaterasu, It's Listed Right Under 'Parent Jutsu'.
Sasuke's Creation Of Blaze Release Is Not The 'Other Ability'; It's Simply An Advanced Skill In Manipulating Amaterasu. Once You've Come Up With A Theory Regarding How Sasuke Could Use Susano'o Without Having Awakened Tsukuyomi, Then We'll Talk.
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^^ this part doesn't make sense tho since he was the only one who had Tsukuyomi at the time lol also I'm remembered it was stated that Itachi gave his techniques to Sasuke so yeah he has it but shouldn't he have the same ability as Itachi since it was Itachi who gave it to him? Or do you think Sasuke's MS pimped them out? With his MS as his own ability? Lol