Sasuke' chakra vs. Naruto's chakra

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I think Sasuke > Jiraiya in chakra. Other than sharingan Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body for perfect SM.

I don't see Sasuke possessing more natural chakra than Jiraiay. Oro wanted Sasuke body because he is an Uchiha. The sharingan is very taxing on a person body if they are not an Uchiha.

Oro also had the 1st hokage dna so he could use that to increase to strength of his body. Kabuto further enhanced Madara body. Even to the point he could use SM.

 

[Styles]

I don't see Sasuke possessing more natural chakra than Jiraiay. Oro wanted Sasuke body because he is an Uchiha. The sharingan is very taxing on a person body if they are not an Uchiha.

Oro also had the 1st hokage dna so he could use that to increase to strength of his body. Kabuto further enhanced Madara body. Even to the point he could use SM.

But Jiraiya couldn't even go SM on his own even with nearly a life worth of training and he still couldn't perfect it. In chakra it would go like Naruto > Sasuke > Minato >/= Jiraiya. When Kabuto learned SM it was somewhat stated other than the sharingan/Rinnegan he wanted Sasuke's body for Dragon sage mode also since Orochimaru's body couldn't handle it. Since Sasuke got CM his body reacted naturally to it which peeked his interest.

 

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It's like a Hashirama vs Madara scenario despite Hashirama having chakra on par with BM or BSM Naruto while in base. He and Madara fought and was both out of chakra at the end of the fight. Madara kept up because of his strong chakra(and he had a big pool of it himself)

are you high on weed???
Hashi only fought madara once that they were out. all other fights madara was eating the dirt with Hashi perfectly fresh like he just smoked crystal meth

 

[Styles]

are you high on weed???
Hashi only fought madara once that they were out. all other fights madara was eating the dirt with Hashi perfectly fresh like he just smoked crystal meth

The hell? Dude go see that vote fight because obviously you don't know about it. Hashirama and Madara was out of chakra and tired af. Better yet ill show you.

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The hell? Dude go see that vote fight because obviously you don't know about it. Hashirama and Madara was out of chakra and tired af. Better yet ill show you.

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you idiot Hashirama fought Madara and a KYUUBI there


In all his previous fights with Madara he came out fresh without even using the budha statue. using the golem only!!!

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[Styles]

you idiot Hashirama fought Madara and a KYUUBI there


In all his previous fights with Madara he came out fresh without even using the budha statue. using the golem only!!!

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You idiot lol i was talking about the vote fight and the kyuubi was his summoning and his wood dragon/golem was holding his own against it. The fact that Madara was controlling the kyuubi and using PS at the same time shows that he had good amounts of chakra to fight Hashirama. In that scan Madara didn't even have EMS let alone PS yet i'm the idiot huh? Dude just stop.

 

[shadowcb]

But Jiraiya couldn't even go SM on his own even with nearly a life worth of training and he still couldn't perfect it. In chakra it would go like Naruto > Sasuke > Minato >/= Jiraiya. When Kabuto learned SM it was somewhat stated other than the sharingan/Rinnegan he wanted Sasuke's body for Dragon sage mode also since Orochimaru's body couldn't handle it. Since Sasuke got CM his body reacted naturally to it which peeked his interest.

Jiraiya could use SM on his own. He had to be able to do that before he could use the toads. The reason he use the toads was to counter the risk to using SM. With the toads they stand still and create sage chakra while Jiraiya moves. They would then give Jiraiya the sage chakra they created. If Jiraiya couldn't use SM on his own the charka would have turn him into a stone toad.

One must possess a huge amount of chakra to even attempt to learn SM, but that doesn't mean you will every learn or master it. Jiraiya was unable to perfectly balance the energies. That had nothing to do with his amount of chakra he possess. Sasuke hasn't show us he natural possesses that amount of chakra. Minato perfected SM, but he didn't think it was very useful in battle because of the risk to using it.

I believe the purpose to Oro creating CS was to allow a person who couldn't learn SM to still be able to use senjutsu. Kabuto did use SM, but he also added Juugo's dna to himself. CS was created from Juugo. Oro and Kabuto are very skilled at manipulating and changing peoples bodies.

CM is like a "poor mans SM". What I mean by that is with SM the user is able to feel and control natural energy and create sage chakra. With CS the user is only able to control the CS. A CS can't control natural energy. It's the CS that creates sage chakra. That the reason Sasuke didn't know anything about natural energy nor was able to control it doing the war.

 

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You idiot lol i was talking about the vote fight and the kyuubi was his summoning and his wood dragon/golem was holding his own against it. The fact that Madara was controlling the kyuubi and using PS at the same time shows that he had good amounts of chakra to fight Hashirama. In that scan Madara didn't even have EMS let alone PS yet i'm the idiot huh? Dude just stop.

You're an idiot!!!! Madara in that scan has both PS and EMS.

That PS was stomped by the golem. Which led madara to seeking something stronger (KYUUBI)

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LOOK ABOVE HASHI STOMPED PS USING WOODEN GOLEM ONLY. WITHOUT ANY SAGE MODE!!!!!

 

[Styles]

Jiraiya could use SM on his own. He had to be able to do that before he could use the toads. The reason he use the toads was to counter the risk to using SM. With the toads they stand still and create sage chakra while Jiraiya moves. They would then give Jiraiya the sage chakra they created. If Jiraiya couldn't use SM on his own the charka would have turn him into a stone toad.

One must possess a huge amount of chakra to even attempt to learn SM, but that doesn't mean you will every learn or master it. Jiraiya was unable to perfectly balance the energies. That had nothing to do with his amount of chakra he possess. Sasuke hasn't show us he natural possesses that amount of chakra. Minato perfected SM, but he didn't think it was very useful in battle because of the risk to using it.

I believe the purpose to Oro creating CS was to allow a person who couldn't learn SM to still be able to use senjutsu. Kabuto did use SM, but he also added Juugo's dna to himself. CS was created from Juugo. Oro and Kabuto are very skilled at manipulating and changing peoples bodies.

CM is like a "poor mans SM". What I mean by that is with SM the user is able to feel and control natural energy and create sage chakra. With CS the user is only able to control the CS. A CS can't control natural energy. It's the CS that creates sage chakra. That the reason Sasuke didn't know anything about natural energy nor was able to control it doing the war.

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He couldn't use SM on his own that's why he needed the toads to draw in the NE for him. You only turn into a tone toad if you can't control the NE/Senjutsu you have which Jiraiya couldn't which is why he have toad features. Susano'o itself is a construct of the users chakra that alone should show how much chakra he has. Or the usually chakra taxing jutsu's he uses.

Minato perfected SM but he's not good with senjutsu and it takes to long to make the chakra for it

You're an idiot!!!! Madara in that scan has both PS and EMS.

That PS was stomped by the golem. Which led madara to seeking something stronger (KYUUBI)

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LOOK ABOVE HASHI STOMPED PS USING WOODEN GOLEM ONLY. WITHOUT ANY SAGE MODE!!!!!

Lmao dude just stop using anime to try and prove a point is sad. I admit I got confused about that scan compared to the other one but did he use PS then? No he didn't. And during VOTE he and Hashirama was low on chakra and injured as hell. Kurama isn't stronger than PS when Madara himself and the manga said it's power was on par with the Bijuu's.

 

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He couldn't use SM on his own that's why he needed the toads to draw in the NE for him. You only turn into a tone toad if you can't control the NE/Senjutsu you have which Jiraiya couldn't which is why he have toad features. Susano'o itself is a construct of the users chakra that alone should show how much chakra he has. Or the usually chakra taxing jutsu's he uses.

Minato perfected SM but he's not good with senjutsu and it takes to long to make the chakra for it

Lmao dude just stop using anime to try and prove a point is sad. I admit I got confused about that scan compared to the other one but did he use PS then? No he didn't. And during VOTE he and Hashirama was low on chakra and injured as hell. Kurama isn't stronger than PS when Madara himself and the manga said it's power was on par with the Bijuu's.

Jiraiya could use SM on his own. Pa state Jiraiya could create sage chakra on his own. Here is Jiraiya in SM without the toads -

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- The reason he use the toads was to counter the risk to using SM. If Jiraiya needed the toads to gather natural energy and create sage chakra he would have summoned them prior to activating SM.

Pa frog was even going to have Naruto learn the fusion jutsu so he could use the toads help in battle. It's normal for a toad SM user to use toads in battle because of the risk -

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Pa Frog didn't teach Naruto the fusion jutsu until after Naruto learned SM. He trained Jiraiya the same.

A few second is a long time for a ninja (Minato) who moves at the speed of light.

Itachi, who is known for having less than average chakra, could create Susanoo. Uchiha have powerful chakra. The stronger the chakra the less chakra is required for jutsu.

 

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He couldn't use SM on his own that's why he needed the toads to draw in the NE for him. You only turn into a tone toad if you can't control the NE/Senjutsu you have which Jiraiya couldn't which is why he have toad features. Susano'o itself is a construct of the users chakra that alone should show how much chakra he has. Or the usually chakra taxing jutsu's he uses.

Minato perfected SM but he's not good with senjutsu and it takes to long to make the chakra for it

Lmao dude just stop using anime to try and prove a point is sad. I admit I got confused about that scan compared to the other one but did he use PS then? No he didn't. And during VOTE he and Hashirama was low on chakra and injured as hell. Kurama isn't stronger than PS when Madara himself and the manga said it's power was on par with the Bijuu's.

I am at work, got no time to go through manga scans. I know it's there! Madara < 70% Hashi the rest of his life. with Kyubi he was = 99% Hashi

 

[Styles]

Jiraiya could use SM on his own. Pa state Jiraiya could create sage chakra on his own. Here is Jiraiya in SM without the toads -

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- The reason he use the toads was to counter the risk to using SM. If Jiraiya needed the toads to gather natural energy and create sage chakra he would have summoned them prior to activating SM.

Pa frog was even going to have Naruto learn the fusion jutsu so he could use the toads help in battle. It's normal for a toad SM user to use toads in battle because of the risk -

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Pa Frog didn't teach Naruto the fusion jutsu until after Naruto learned SM. He trained Jiraiya the same.

A few second is a long time for a ninja (Minato) who moves at the speed of light.

Itachi, who is known for having less than average chakra, could create Susanoo. Uchiha have powerful chakra. The stronger the chakra the less chakra is required for jutsu.

I don't know then because now the manga says different things about Jiraiya and SM. Although about Minato he gathered senjutsu kinda fast in the war arc vs JJ Madara but it wasn't nearly as strong as Jiraiya or Naruto's was. But ill have to go back and check it's been a while.

I don't remember Itachi having low reserves either just low stamina because of his sickness.

I am at work, got no time to go through manga scans. I know it's there! Madara < 70% Hashi the rest of his life. with Kyubi he was = 99% Hashi

That anime clip isn't in the manga though.