Sasuke CAN'T replicate his strongest attack... Naruto CAN

[ninjarasengan]

I would like to see Naruto do something in his base without his pet

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The blast is even equal to TBB with Chidori only

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That is a bold faced lie...those blast aren't equal at all.

The piece of moon rock was way smaller also

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I would like to see Naruto do something in his base without his pet

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The blast is even equal to TBB with Chidori only

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Could Sasuke do that without Itachi's eyes. Oh wait he'd be blind without them :lol

Anyway, Naruto's rasengan = Sasuke's Enton chidori > Sasuke's normal chidori.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Using the Rinnegan portal and using his other powers are two completely different things being expended because when he ran out of chakra to open portals to dimensions, he was still able to use Amatersu, Fire style: Fireball jutsu, and Amenotejakra on Shin

The naruto point I was trying to make is that it's not spammable, it requires every ounce of senjutsu chakra out there to use in battle even if biju powers are 100% or 50%. Think of it as Hashirama's 1,000 veritable kanon, he can only use that jutsu once.

The fan translations made it singular, it's suppose to be plural in the viz but I can't find the site for it. Anyways there's zero evidence that Sasuke can use a portal jutsu during a fight because he never used it all, but I'm not going to be crazy enough to say that he can't use a portal jutsu in a fight now, am I?

You forget that the rinnegan is ocular six path chakra doujutsu, so his levels are going to be higher than what it was prior to the progression. Before and after that Momoshiki fight that he had in total he was able to enter and leave worlds two times. And during in between those times he was fighting by using chidori and a newer version of magic garb susanoo without the single bit of fatigue in him.
So what number in mind do you think Sasuke can use the portal jutsu anyways?

How are they 2 different things being expended? It's an effort that requires chakra, what exactly are you saying here bro? All that means is that Sasuke didn't have enough chakra to open any more portals, which is a testament to just how much chakra is needed to do it. It doesn't mean it doesn't require chakra, that's absolutely ludicrous to say seeing as Sasuke has flat out admitted it did in the manga. Nowhere did I say that Sasuke won't have chakra to use Ninjutsu, I'm saying he has limitations on the amount of portals he can open, as you've insinuated he can open 6-7 portals before experiencing fatigue which is, by all accounts, your OPINION, and not a fact from the manga.

I never argued it was. That's irrelevant to the discussion.

Until you provide evidence showing otherwise, that is what we will be using as it what we've been given. Even if he did, we have zero evidence showing that he can use it consecutively and we are ignorant to the circumstances surrounding his portal opening. How do you know he didn't have extended waiting periods before opening another portal?

Using Chidori and a Susano'o coating briefly is baby food. You're talking as if I said Sasuke runs out of chakra completely if he uses the portal opening which is not even close to what I'm arguing. I'm asking you to provide sufficient evidence that he can essentially spam the portal opening as you've suggested, despite the manga telling us that Sasuke gets fatigued from using it as it requires monstrous charka levels and he has never shown to do so in a FIGHT, consecutively. Your only "evidence" is a flimsy quote from Sasuke which by no means supports what you're arguing here.

What you guys need to understand is that this jutsu is KAGUYA's jutsu. Kaguya has infinite chakra more or less, yet the manga still made the reference that it was taxing on her even. While Sasuke has an enormous pool himself, this jutsu wasn't made for him specifically, he trained himself to use it. It's like someone with a low chakra pool trying to learn Sage mode. This jutsu was designed for the largest chakra pool the manga has ever seen, and even then it way made redundantly clear that Kaguya herself expends an enormous amounts of chakra using it.

I was thinking both of these would come up.

I’m for the 2nd quote. Couldn’t Sasuke just open a portal and get rid of the attack much like Minato has done a number of times?

Or just portal out?

I mean it f Naruto is able to use when Sasuke doesn’t have enough chakra to open a portal than sure, Naruto wrecks. But I’d also assume if Sasuke is spent to that point then, most likely Naruto and Kurama will be too. I don’t know.

Lmaooo, absolutely not. Sasuke has a limit on the amount of people he can transport yet you're suggesting he can teleport a mountain sized attack? Once again, a baseless assumption backed up by absolutely nothing. It's a human sized portal, Kaguya herself hasn't shown to be able to do such a thing yet Sasuke can now teleport mountain sized attacks.

My premise was that in a final attack scenario, after a long fought battle, Sasuke will NOT have the chakra to open a portal to escape. He simply gets pasted.

 

[Mellanoma]

That fight came down to a TBB-FRS enhanced by Kurama gathering all the Nature energy available, and Sasuke's Indra arrow.

Sasuke's attack was entirely fuelled by the Bijuu's chakra, which is a one off occurance.

Naruto's attack was simply Kurama gathering all the nature energy, which he can replicate whenever he damn pleases.

Basically, if that fight were to happen again Sasuke's severely outmatched when it comes to firepower. If Naruto releases that attack on him again he gets vaporized. No Bijuu to supercharge his Indra's arrow this time.

Agreed

Kurama is the best team mate any one could ask for.

Sasuke tied with Kurama and naruto as support

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Sasuke plus all the Bijuu tied with Naruto and Kurama. Correction.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Sasuke plus all the Bijuu tied with Naruto and Kurama. Correction.

Nice fanfic RSM is composed of all Bijuu chakra that's why you also get the orbs. Naruto, 2 shadow clones assisting, two shuriken with elemental advantage and Kurama drawing all nature energy on the planet or jyubi chakra tied with Sasuke using bijuu chakra equal to his Susanoo(a fraction the sjze of the Jyubi) whilesing a jutsu with an inferior affinity.

 

[Shruikan]

The bijuu bomb of half Kurama was equalling the combined bijuu bomb of 6 other bijuus. The power gap between Kurama and the others is ridiculous. The only factor is half Kurama whose power Sasuke used. The number may sound high but those 6 bijuus are fodder

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Nice fanfic RSM is composed of all Bijuu chakra that's why you also get the orbs. Naruto, 2 shadow clones assisting, two shuriken with elemental advantage and Kurama drawing all nature energy on the planet or jyubi chakra tied with Sasuke using bijuu chakra equal to his Susanoo(a fraction the sjze of the Jyubi) whilesing a jutsu with an inferior affinity.

You're bitching without a cause. Naruto is the Yang half, and Sasuke is the Yin half. Naruto's supposed to have the chakra/physical superiority to Sasuke whereas the latter has the advantage in eye/mind powers. That's like me complaining about Sasuke having the Rinnegan and Naruto doesn't lmfao.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The bijuu bomb of half Kurama was equalling the combined bijuu bomb of 6 other bijuus. The power gap between Kurama and the others is ridiculous. The only factor is half Kurama whose power Sasuke used. The number may sound high but those 6 bijuus are fodder

Except that Sasuke also had half Kurama and 8 not 6 other bijuus. Plus 8 tails maybe weaker than Kurama but he wasn't a pushover.

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So Sasuke still had significant power advantage over Naruto.

 

[salamander uchiha]

You're bitching without a cause. Naruto is the Yang half, and Sasuke is the Yin half. Naruto's supposed to have the chakra/physical superiority to Sasuke whereas the latter has the advantage in eye/mind powers. That's like me complaining about Sasuke having the Rinnegan and Naruto doesn't lmfao.

I'm not bitching about anything and the Uchiha have the stronger chakra. I'm just adding clarity to an ambiguous statement so the full perspective is understood.

You're right the Uchiha have the eyes and spiritual energy(yin) however they possess the powerful chakra as well. As for the Ashura line they have body, lifeforce and physical energy(yang release).

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

How are they 2 different things being expended? It's an effort that requires chakra, what exactly are you saying here bro? All that means is that Sasuke didn't have enough chakra to open any more portals, which is a testament to just how much chakra is needed to do it. It doesn't mean it doesn't require chakra, that's absolutely ludicrous to say seeing as Sasuke has flat out admitted it did in the manga. Nowhere did I say that Sasuke won't have chakra to use Ninjutsu, I'm saying he has limitations on the amount of portals he can open, as you've insinuated he can open 6-7 portals before experiencing fatigue which is, by all accounts, your OPINION, and not a fact from the manga.

I’m saying that Naruto has his chakra and Kurama has his, the reason why naruto’s chakra is so vast is because he has 9 biju chakra inside of him including his own. And during VoTe Kurama specifically said that Naruto’s own chakra was already done since the war (meaning before Kaguya) so this whole time he’s been using biju chakra. Naruto’s strongest technique was kurama’s six path senjutsu chakra is what I was trying to say.

As for Sasuke’s limitations on how much he can use the portals has never been specified. All we know is that he travelled kaguya’s dimensions to find intel and that Kaguya has 6-7 dimensions in total. To make a speculation that he can only use the portal jutsu any less is also an opinion as well.
So I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I never argued it was. That's irrelevant to the discussion.

Until you provide evidence showing otherwise, that is what we will be using as it what we've been given. Even if he did, we have zero evidence showing that he can use it consecutively and we are ignorant to the circumstances surrounding his portal opening. How do you know he didn't have extended waiting periods before opening another portal?

Same can be said vice versa but I’m gonna use my sense here and deny the waiting period because of Kaguya’s hazardous dimensions. The only one that is safe is the ice dimensions because Sasuke has Amatersu/Flame control.

Using Chidori and a Susano'o coating briefly is baby food. You're talking as if I said Sasuke runs out of chakra completely if he uses the portal opening which is not even close to what I'm arguing. I'm asking you to provide sufficient evidence that he can essentially spam the portal opening as you've suggested, despite the manga telling us that Sasuke gets fatigued from using it as it requires monstrous charka levels and he has never shown to do so in a FIGHT, consecutively. Your only "evidence" is a flimsy quote from Sasuke which by no means supports what you're arguing here.

In no means did I suggest that so I have no idea on what you’re talking about, and limiting a jutsu to 6/8 times is no means a “spammable” jutsu because it’s a limited number. The manga never said that it requires monstrous amounts of chakra either, that’s just some futile fanfic that you just suggested now.
You don’t have evidence of Sasuke needing a gracing period in between 6-7 dimensional jumps so it’s hard to argue.

What you guys need to understand is that this jutsu is KAGUYA's jutsu. Kaguya has infinite chakra more or less, yet the manga still made the reference that it was taxing on her even. While Sasuke has an enormous pool himself, this jutsu wasn't made for him specifically, he trained himself to use it. It's like someone with a low chakra pool trying to learn Sage mode. This jutsu was designed for the largest chakra pool the manga has ever seen, and even then it way made redundantly clear that Kaguya herself expends an enormous amounts of chakra using it.

That’s because Kaguya was using Ash bones and two different dimensional travels at the same time. She was spamming them too. It’s not like she ran out of chakra entirely, she still continued to use her dimensional powers even after that.

 

[Shruikan]

Except that Sasuke also had half Kurama and 8 not 6 other bijuus. Plus 8 tails maybe weaker than Kurama but he wasn't a pushover.

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So Sasuke still had significant power advantage over Naruto.

Its 7.5 bijuus

I already said in my post 0.5 Kurama is a factor. 8 tails was shitting himself when he saw half Kurama launch the bijuu bomb and he even commented on it. Half Kurama was mopping the floor with the other 6.5. 8 tails wouldnt have done aany better. Likely majority of that power only came from 0.5 Kurama as the the combined powers of the others isnt enough.Half Kurama wasnt even drained by that attack while the other 6 were blown away.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Its 7.5 bijuus

I already said in my post 0.5 Kurama is a factor. 8 tails was shitting himself when he saw half Kurama launch the bijuu bomb and he even commented on it. Half Kurama was mopping the floor with the other 6.5. 8 tails wouldnt have done aany better. Likely majority of that power only came from 0.5 Kurama as the the combined powers of the others isnt enough.Half Kurama wasnt even drained by that attack while the other 6 were blown away.

Actually 8.5 bijuu. And I never said 8 tails was stronger than kurama not to mention he had already taken a lot of damage in that fight vs Obito protecting Naruto from the bijuus till he gained control of Kurama but Naruto fought off against six and Sasuke had 8.5 which included the other half of Kurama as well. Also the six bijuu had already used their bijuu dama once before prior to combined bijuu dama . So again Sasuke not only had 2 more bijuu's chakra on top of what Naruto had fought against before but he also had the chakra of the second strongest bijuu the 8 tails to deal with if you go with the tails signifying the power of the bijuu.
So again like it or not, Sasuke had a significant advantage over Naruto.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Its 7.5 bijuus

I already said in my post 0.5 Kurama is a factor. 8 tails was shitting himself when he saw half Kurama launch the bijuu bomb and he even commented on it. Half Kurama was mopping the floor with the other 6.5. 8 tails wouldnt have done aany better. Likely majority of that power only came from 0.5 Kurama as the the combined powers of the others isnt enough.Half Kurama wasnt even drained by that attack while the other 6 were blown away.

Bro why're you arguing with the troll? Sasuke didn't even use all the bijuu chakra which is confirmed post clash. After the IA clash Sasuke was going to get more chakra but his Rinnegan gave out, he wouldn't be able to get more if he'd used all of it. Also all the tailed beast chakra equals Jyubi size not 50% kurama size. Whereas as Naruto used all his Bijuu chakra, RSM replicates thr 10 tails chakra in otherwords Naruto used 10 tails JJ chakra and Kurama drew in all the nature energy(same as 10 tails) on the planet to counter an IA.

If anything all this confirms is Sasuke's limit with his new Rinnegan was equal to Naruto's. Naruto actually possessed many advantages including the affinity advantage and it took all of that just to counter Sasuke's IA.

 

[DHOH]

I had this argument 3-4 years ago and still seeing 70% of the same people arguing about it. Naruto and KISHIMOTO himself said Sasuke and Naruto are equal 13-15 years AFTER VOTE 2.. HOW? Two simple reasons:
1. Sasuke gotten a lot stronger
2. Naruto gotten a lot weaker...

Choose wisely!

 

[Guntah]

If Naruto threw that attack at Sasuke again and it managed to hit...yeah, Sasuke most likely would be dead meat.

Hey, that rhymes.

 

[CTRL]

The bijuu bomb of half Kurama was equalling the combined bijuu bomb of 6 other bijuus. The power gap between Kurama and the others is ridiculous. The only factor is half Kurama whose power Sasuke used. The number may sound high but those 6 bijuus are fodder

jesus...

 

[WalksInShadows]

this is a pointless junk measuring contest. Kishimoto and the Boruto manga says they're currently equal, so it really doesn't matter which of them can/can't replicate their best atk.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

I would like to see Naruto do something in his base without his pet

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The blast is even equal to TBB with Chidori only

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Lol Naruto can take an explosions like that

here is his base tanking 3 days worth (at least for Sakura to replenish him from a coma like state) of Kuruma chakra in base (since he was drained)

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[WarriorlWithin]

Lol Naruto can take an explosions like that

here is his base tanking 3 days worth (at least for Sakura to replenish him from a coma like state) of Kuruma chakra in base (since he was drained)

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Do you see that Naruto didnt actually got hit by that but only by its radius? and what does that have to do with technique? I just proved that Sasuke chidori was equal to TBB