Sasuke can use kirin without rain (no preparation time required)

[Ultimatum]

I don't really think so, because if he could perform Kirin so easily then why didn't he use it against Deidara, there is no reason to exert yourself so much if you have a technique that can one shot most Shinobi in the series.

 

[Frikid]

Sasuke is simply controlling already existing lightning, He cannot attract lightning where there is none, Hence why he needed the stormclouds in the first place.
But i would love to hear where this so called "lightning" is going to come from on a clear day such as when sasuke faught team 7.
It's like saying Tobirama can attract water towards himself in the same way you speculate sasuke can, Since tobirama can controll either real water or Chakra created water, He should be able to attract it to himself also huh?.
Simply because you can controll Real Lighting/Water/Fire/Earth or what ever, Doesn't mean you can "Attract" them at will.

Well, if you can't attract lightning to yourself how would you redirect it to someone else ?
Sasuke found a way to do so, which is why , the main power of jutsu lies in natural lightning itself.
He raises up his hand to "attract" lightning , then directs it to his opponent.
That is why zetsu said that sasuke can "manipulate" lightning itself.
Please explain to me if lightning doesn't goes to him, then how would he redirect it to someone else.

While i have shown manga proof for every statement i make, you are simply refuting them without backing up your facts from manga.

It can involve both.
If natural lightning is present, he will use that instead of his own chakra, If there is no lightning nor storms present then he will use his own chakra.
As i said, If he can attract lightning even on a cloudless day, Him creating a storm against itachi was completely pointless.

NOPE, IT CANNOT involve both . You are just assuming sasuke can do kirin without natural lightning but it isn't suggested in the manga. Even sasuke himself said kirin is a technique of which the source is natural lightning itself.i have even shown you manga page to back up this statement.

You should also be aware of the fact that most of the heat that caused thunder clouds was from amaterasu. Sasuke himself could never have been able to create thunder clouds at that point.
Now thunder clouds could obviously deliver a more powerful lightning than say normal clouds or no clouds.
So if you have an option of doing an S-class lightning attack then why would you go for a weak one?

I don't really think so, because if he could perform Kirin so easily then why didn't he use it against Deidara, there is no reason to exert yourself so much if you have a technique that can one shot most Shinobi in the series.

He said that he have two ways to defeat deidara, if the first one doesn't work , he would resort to the second way(most likely foreshadowing kirin)

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[KidGamer65]

Agreed. But..

-It'd be far weaker.
-It would take up a buttload of chakra.

 

[shelke]

Most people here are unaware of how lightening works. It's nothing but an electrical discharge that flows from Electrons to the protons. Wherever the concentration of Protons is high, the current will travel in that direction.

If Sasuke can control the concentration with his chakra - as he does with Kirin - then there is nothing to suggest that he cannot do so without a storm. The storm would provide a larger concentration of elections and hence MORE discharge at his disposal, which his directs and concentrates at his will.

Without the storm, the concentration of electrons in the sky is reduced hence the damage too will get effected. It won't be at the scale of that mountain buster, but it would most definitely badly injure an opponent. I definitely agree.

 

[NagazuDead]

I dont think they die so easy

 

[Exaar]

Well, if you can't attract lightning to yourself how would you redirect it to someone else ?
Sasuke found a way to do so, which is why , the main power of jutsu lies in natural lightning itself.
He raises up his hand to "attract" lightning , then directs it to his opponent.
That is why zetsu said that sasuke can "manipulate" lightning itself.
Please explain to me if lightning doesn't goes to him, then how would he redirect it to someone else.

While i have shown manga proof for every statement i make, you are simply refuting them without backing up your facts from manga.

As i keep saying to you, Sasuke was simply manipulating lightning that was already there. It's the Same with water users, They use their chakra to manipulate Rivers/Lakes and so on.

Sasuke can Manipulate lightning If there is lightning avalable, he cannot attract it to himself if there i no lightning (Meaning no Storms).
I will ask you yet again, Where is this Magical lightning on a Clear summers day going to come from?.

Plus The scan of sasuke using it against team 7, he clearly makes handsigns, Meaning he isn't simply use chakra to controll/attract lightning (That wasn't there) but to Make it Via his Raiton chakra affinity.

Even if say you are right, Him "attracting" lightning without storms will make Kirin much weaker and less effective/Smaller.

Sasuke controlling Natural lighting is no different from Suiton users controlling Real water, it's like saying Katon users can controll the Heat in the air and create fire from that.

 

[Frikid]

As i keep saying to you, Sasuke was simply manipulating lightning that was already there. It's the Same with water users, They use their chakra to manipulate Rivers/Lakes and so on.

Sasuke can Manipulate lightning If there is lightning avalable, he cannot attract it to himself if there i no lightning (Meaning no Storms).
I will ask you yet again, Where is this Magical lightning on a Clear summers day going to come from?.

Plus The scan of sasuke using it against team 7, he clearly makes handsigns, Meaning he isn't simply use chakra to controll/attract lightning (That wasn't there) but to Make it Via his Raiton chakra affinity.

Even if say you are right, Him "attracting" lightning out storms will make Kirin much weaker and less effective.

ok so i should expect except this point all other points are dealt with?

Now take a look at this : (i copied from my OP )

IT IS NOT NECESSARY to have lightning clouds or cloudy weather to use lightning. There have been cases even in real life where lightning is observed even in a clear blue sky.

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Quote from discovery website :

And while that may sound like a rare or even freakish event, it's not that uncommon for lightning to travel far from its originating cloud, experts say. In some cases, bolts have struck as much as 25 miles from where they originated. Scientists refer to these wayward streaks of electricity as "bolts from the blue," since it often seems as though the lightning comes out of a clear blue sky.

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ALSO, if sasuke couldn't use it in clear sky, how come he was able to use it against team yamato .Even orochimaru stopped him because he thought sasuke was going too far by using kirin and it was pointless to kill naruto(and others) .

contribution of shelke :

Most people here are unaware of how lightening works. It's nothing but an electrical discharge that flows from Electrons to the protons. Wherever the concentration of Protons is high, the current will travel in that direction.

If Sasuke can control the concentration with his chakra - as he does with Kirin - then there is nothing to suggest that he cannot do so without a storm. The storm would provide a larger concentration of elections and hence MORE discharge at his disposal, which his directs and concentrates at his will.

Without the storm, the concentration of electrons in the sky is reduced hence the damage too will get effected. It won't be at the scale of that mountain buster, but it would most definitely badly injure an opponent. I definitely agree.

 

[Ultimatum]

Well, if you can't attract lightning to yourself how would you redirect it to someone else ?
Sasuke found a way to do so, which is why , the main power of jutsu lies in natural lightning itself.
He raises up his hand to "attract" lightning , then directs it to his opponent.
That is why zetsu said that sasuke can "manipulate" lightning itself.
Please explain to me if lightning doesn't goes to him, then how would he redirect it to someone else.

While i have shown manga proof for every statement i make, you are simply refuting them without backing up your facts from manga.


NOPE, IT CANNOT involve both . You are just assuming sasuke can do kirin without natural lightning but it isn't suggested in the manga. Even sasuke himself said kirin is a technique of which the source is natural lightning itself.i have even shown you manga page to back up this statement.

You should also be aware of the fact that most of the heat that caused thunder clouds was from amaterasu. Sasuke himself could never have been able to create thunder clouds at that point.
Now thunder clouds could obviously deliver a more powerful lightning than say normal clouds or no clouds.
So if you have an option of doing an S-class lightning attack then why would you go for a weak one?


He said that he have two ways to defeat deidara, if the first one doesn't work , he would resort to the second way(most likely foreshadowing kirin)

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I don't see why he had to put up such a fight when he was capable of using such a powerful technique that Deidara has no answer to, and especially if he could use it so easily like you've said in your OP. If Kirin was so easy to use then there would be no need for options, unless he planned on toying with Deidara.