[Theory] Sasuke can solo glance Perfect Jins.

[Mikeuhsomething36]

I think Sasuke's genjutsu on the Bijuus were temporary, if you look in ch. 699 (I think it is) then you'll see that after Sasuke released CT, Kurama's eyes weren't that of the Rinnegan as they were before which makes me think either the genjutsu didn't last long or when Sasuke took chakra from them, it disrupted their chakra and broke them out. So Naruto using the Bijuus chakra directly from them may break them out in the same fashion.

Also it should be noted that Bee said his power inside Naruto is weakened so I think the same applies for anyone being inside another's subconsciousness. Oh and I doubt Sasukr can even go inside Naruto's subconscious now anyways, remember when Naruto went BM and was talking to the Bijuus and Jinchuurikis? They said Obito couldn't reach that place (Naruto fully became a perfect Jin at that time); Obito had his Sharingan and Rinnegan at the time. This also explains why Sasuke, Obito, and Madara couldn't do this to Naruto or Bee when they fought.

But there are several differences in what you're saying though. One, Sasuke was so weakened from his battle with naruto after their taijutsu battle, that Sakura eventually woke up from the genjutsu sasuke placed on her. You need chakra to maintain the tail beast under your control, it's not easy and sasuke was so weakened that they were released. Which is a testament to how strong sasuke's CT is if the beast were released from his genjutsu then they should've broken out themselves.

 

[the entire forum]

Yeah. But they were already dead. And placed under his command by kabuto. All the rinnegan really did was give them shared vision. So i don't think it's the same thing.

i was talking about controlling mizukage...

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[UchihasRightfulHeir]

But there are several differences in what you're saying though. One, Sasuke was so weakened from his battle with naruto after their taijutsu battle, that Sakura eventually woke up from the genjutsu sasuke placed on her. You need chakra to maintain the tail beast under your control, it's not easy and sasuke was so weakened that they were released. Which is a testament to how strong sasuke's CT is if the beast were released from his genjutsu then they should've broken out themselves.

I really do not think they were ever released from genjutsu until sasuke wanted them released. He probably brought them down from CT and released them at the same time.

The genjutsu he used on sakura was different. He put her out. She was unconscious. If she were still under genjutsu, then kakashi would have released her from it. I think he just let her sleep.
but for the bijuu, he had to hold them continuously, if he put them to sleep and they woke up during the fight, it would be a serious problem for him. Kyuubi has already shown he can bust out of CT. then, he was just on 8 tails and used no ninjutsu to do it.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

i was talking about controlling mizukage...

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Wow. I totally forgot about this. Well, my theory seems to be verified.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Wow. I totally forgot about this. Well, my theory seems to be verified.

Yagura didn't have the 8 bijuu, neither did he have the ability to meet them or anything. Obito simply defeated him along with the with sanbi and then casted the genjutsu. 10> 2 ya know......

 

[ANiMUS]

If Obito could cast genjutsu on Yagura with Sharingan and Obito had trouble controlling five Bijuu at once then it is obvious that Sasuke can put a perfect Jinchuuriki in genjutsu.

I am just not so sure about Naruto :|

The other Bijuu use Naruto as a meeting place, but that doesn't mean they reside in him. Only Kurama does. Even still I am sure Naruto will be able to sense the genjutsu And if that is the case then I am sure Naruto could possibly break Sasuke's genjutsu.

Yagura didn't have the 8 bijuu, neither did he have the ability to meet them or anything. Obito simply defeated him along with the with sanbi and then casted the genjutsu. 10> 2 ya know......

Meeting the Bijuu shouldn't do squat since it is a conscience effort through chakra and genjutsu has the power to disrupt the flow of the opponent's chakra and even trap the mind.

Being a perfect Jin only helps because your partner is right there monitoring you in battle so they can come to your aid when u r stuck.

The other 8 Bijuu are not constantly aware of Naruto's activity and therefore won't help until called upon

 

[xxSAGExx]

Wow. I totally forgot about this. Well, my theory seems to be verified.

We don't know how Obito was able to control Yagura though, I mean if he had control of Yagura then why do we see the 3 tails free and roaming around until Deidara and Obito catch it in Shippuden? For all we know, Obito put a sealing jutsu over Yagura to cut off the 3 tails chakra as Orochimaru did to part 1 Naruto. Obito with the Sharingan and Rinnegan couldn't control Naruto or Bee and Obito was right in Naruto's face multiple times.

Also Naruto was able to get to that level of deeper Bijuu consciousness because he linked perfectly with Kurama

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this is also where Naruto got chakra from the Bijuus so he can go to this spot to get chakra from them and snap them out of genjutsu if they were where Kurama use to be. But I think Kurama is in tgat deeper level because he mentioned the link to Naruto being complete so that's where perfect Jinchuurikis who are completely linked to their Bijuus are as well (or it makes really good sense.

Think about it, Obito and Madara couldn't enter Naruto or Bee subconsciousness where the Bijuu resides and they had better mastery over the Sharingan than Sasuke at that time.

 

[Shino1584]

It seems like a lot of Sasuke fans like to expand on Sasuke's abilities post war but not so much on Naruto. Yes, Sasuke's Rinnegan abilities will improve and he should have more powerful genjutsu but the same can be said about Naruto and his abilities. Remember, Naruto unlocked the full extent of Kurama and all the other Bijuu's chakra toward the end of the war so in the time after, he would have improved on that control. He is now basically a Perfect Jin of all the tailed beasts so the liklihood of all the beasts getting caught in genjutsu is very small if not impossible. Lastly, remember when Naruto spoke with all the Bijuu and former jin. This were speaking in a realm of consciousness that Obito could not touch so it stands to reason that Sasuke could not as well.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Sasuke can do anything.

 

[veggetta13]

Do you even english?

Solo glance? For goodness sake

DDDDDDD..............Tarzan is trying to make a statement - worst thing is most of the times Tarzan himself is a native speaker-.

dON´T YOU MESS WITH HIM OTHERWISE HE´LL SOLO GLANCE HIS 3T UP-DOWN squirrel time

 

[veggetta13]

Wow. I totally forgot about this. Well, my theory seems to be verified.

No, it´s not. The only juubi ever to control its tails besides the old man was Naruto. Kage or not, all the hosts wasted the chance of being immune to genjutsu to some point by not achieving control of their beast

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

It seems like a lot of Sasuke fans like to expand on Sasuke's abilities post war but not so much on Naruto. Yes, Sasuke's Rinnegan abilities will improve and he should have more powerful genjutsu but the same can be said about Naruto and his abilities. Remember, Naruto unlocked the full extent of Kurama and all the other Bijuu's chakra toward the end of the war so in the time after, he would have improved on that control. He is now basically a Perfect Jin of all the tailed beasts so the liklihood of all the beasts getting caught in genjutsu is very small if not impossible. Lastly, remember when Naruto spoke with all the Bijuu and former jin. This were speaking in a realm of consciousness that Obito could not touch so it stands to reason that Sasuke could not as well.

The problem with expanding on Naruto's abilities is that there isn't much to expand from. Sasuke has a war chest of techniques but with naruto it's pretty much same old same old. Just slightly different variation and more power. I do like how he can send the kyuubi out from his body like he did in the last. Would never have expected that.

But Sasuke has the rinnegan, so it's fun to imagine all the shit he could do using it.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

No, it´s not. The only juubi ever to control its tails besides the old man was Naruto. Kage or not, all the hosts wasted the chance of being immune to genjutsu to some point by not achieving control of their beast

Nope. Yagura was the first jinchuuriki mentioned to have perfect control of his bijuu. So it's quite remarkable that obito was able to control him.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

I'm not sure if this would be called solo glance as this is really a two step process.

Now remember back when Sasuke was just in 3T mode. He managed to pretty much go into Naruto and supress the kyuubi.

I don't think sasuke can supress kurama's chakra anymore as Naruto is now a perfect jin.

If he can see into the seal with 3T. He can do that with rinnegan neg diff.

Now the problem with doing genjutsu against naruto is that the kyuubi would just disturb his chakra and release him from it.

So the idea is that Sasuke can go in there and this time he just solo glance both of them simultaneosly. Done.

Perfect Jin put down.

Sasuke got into the first level of consciousness of the Bijou, Kurama simply goes into the part where only the Jin can penetrate alongside the other TB and Jin.

Then Sasuke's attempt would work for the few seconds it takes Kurama to awaken Naruto.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

If Obito could cast genjutsu on Yagura with Sharingan and Obito had trouble controlling five Bijuu at once then it is obvious that Sasuke can put a perfect Jinchuuriki in genjutsu.

I am just not so sure about Naruto :|

The other Bijuu use Naruto as a meeting place, but that doesn't mean they reside in him. Only Kurama does. Even still I am sure Naruto will be able to sense the genjutsu And if that is the case then I am sure Naruto could possibly break Sasuke's genjutsu.



Meeting the Bijuu shouldn't do squat since it is a conscience effort through chakra and genjutsu has the power to disrupt the flow of the opponent's chakra and even trap the mind.

Being a perfect Jin only helps because your partner is right there monitoring you in battle so they can come to your aid when u r stuck.

The other 8 Bijuu are not constantly aware of Naruto's activity and therefore won't help until called upon

Actually they're mentally linked, and can send chakra to him Lol

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XD

 

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^ lol reekt

 

[veggetta13]

Nope. Yagura was the first jinchuuriki mentioned to have perfect control of his bijuu. So it's quite remarkable that obito was able to control him.

I am not questioning you but the source, which chapter exactly? I don´t even remember her speaking but in the juubis reunion when granting naruto their "hopes", or which character said so?

 

[The Demon Hawk]

So how do you assume he supressed kurama's chakra? He simply just pushed it back using his will? Doubt it.

If you plus was in there with naruto the time they were trying to defeat it. Bee was able fight kyuubi. Though not at full power of course.

I meant he can't use the Sharingan in Naruto's subconsciousness while already using the Sharingan to enter his subconsciousness. He isn't practically a person in his subconsciousness. What we saw at that time was an image implicating his use of Sharingan to enter Naruto's subconscious state. From that, how can you say he can cast genjutsu or use Chidori on Kurama, or any other jutsu? What proof is there of him using a jutsu within?