Sasuke can own Kamui users! #MangaFacts

[ComplexCity]

To prove my point, I just wanted to point this out :-

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Sasuke was able to summon his Hawk Summoning in one of Kaguya's Six Realm Dimensions, The Lava Realm. This pretty much proves that Sasuke can summon his Snake summon in the Desert Realm, enter it's mouth and de-summon it to escape Kaguya's Six Realms, just like how he used Manda.

Didn't Getsu help Sauce reverse summon with Manda?

 

[Rohan]

Didn't Getsu help Sauce reverse summon with Manda?

You do realize that Manda was incapacitated by Sauske's Genjutsu and Sasuke himself had tremendously Low Chakra Reserves ?

 

[ComplexCity]

You do realize that Manda was incapacitated by Sauske's Genjutsu and Sasuke himself had tremendously Low Chakra Reserves ?

What does have to do with what I said? I'm asking you if Getsu helped RS considering it was he who had and layed out the scroll

 

[Rohan]

What does have to do with what I said? I'm asking you if Getsu helped RS considering it was he who had and layed out the scroll

You see at that point, Sasuke was going up against Itachi and by default the rest of the Akatsuki. He knew that a situation would arise in which he would get extremely weakened and would be forced to retreat. Logically, Sasuke could put the Summon in a Genjutsu (Which he did) and force it to summon back to NV. He lacked the chakra reserves to do that and since Manda was incapacitated by Genjutsu, he could not do the summon.

Since both Parties were incapacitated, a third Party; Suigetsu was planned by Sasuke as a Failsafe.

Even if above logic is not sound, As Solo mentioned, The summon place and NV are in the same dimension, the Summon Places are just hidden locations. Sasuke could easily take the help of the Snake Inhabitants to find a way back to NV, making Suigetsu's role nil.

Suigetsu was only there as a failsafe, in case all attack plans failed.

 

[ComplexCity]

You see at that point, Sasuke was going up against Itachi and by default the rest of the Akatsuki. He knew that a situation would arise in which he would get extremely weakened and would be forced to retreat. Logically, Sasuke could put the Summon in a Genjutsu (Which he did) and force it to summon back to NV. He lacked the chakra reserves to do that and since Manda was incapacitated by Genjutsu, he could not do the summon.

Since both Parties were incapacitated, a third Party; Suigetsu was planned by Sasuke as a Failsafe.

Even if above logic is not sound, As Solo mentioned, The summon place and NV are in the same dimension, the Summon Places are just hidden locations. Sasuke could easily take the help of the Snake Inhabitants to find a way back to NV, making Suigetsu's role nil.

Suigetsu was only there as a failsafe, in case all attack plans failed.

Are there any manga facts support dimensional reverse summoning though? If so, I'd like to see scans because based on your prev scan, if Sasuke summoned the Snake in the Desert dimension, how would he RS in another dimension? This never occoured in the manga

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Another day same shit.

 

[Rohan]

Are there any manga facts support dimensional reverse summoning though? If so, I'd like to see scans because based on your prev scan, if Sasuke summoned the Snake in the Desert dimension, how would he RS in another dimension? This never occoured in the manga

Here, I will be considering Kamui Dimension and I will be making Third Parties Relevant for the Real World Summoning.

Obito warps away Sasuke to Kamui Dimension and leaves him there.

Sasuke summons his loyal Snake Summon. (Proof I provided, The Six Realms are separate to NV, but Sasuke was able to summon Hawk).

He enters the snake's mouth as the Snake Summon is very huge. (Proof provided when Sasuke enters Manda's mouth).

The snake then de-summons either willingly or when the Time Limit expires. ( Proof provided as Gamakichi confirms that summonings have time limits - Refer to Obito Jinchuriki Fight).

The Snake appears in the Snake Summon Place and Sasuke leaves the Snake. (This is basic Manga Logic, All summoned animals return to thier Home place).

Sasuke then uses his Rinnegan's blitz ability to cover Massive distances in a short period of time. (Read Solo's Post on Summon Animal Home Lands being Hidden Locations on NV).

Eventually he returns to his original position, where he was warped away by Kamui without the help of any third Parties.

Even Naruto can use this, Pretty much anybody can use this, the only flaw to this is that the Summoned animal has to consume you in order to work. So small summonings won't work out here.

 

[ComplexCity]

Here, I will be considering Kamui Dimension and I will be making Third Parties Relevant for the Real World Summoning.

Obito warps away Sasuke to Kamui Dimension and leaves him there.

Sasuke summons his loyal Snake Summon. (Proof I provided, The Six Realms are separate to NV, but Sasuke was able to summon Hawk).

He enters the snake's mouth as the Snake Summon is very huge. (Proof provided when Sasuke enters Manda's mouth).

The snake then de-summons either willingly or when the Time Limit expires. ( Proof provided as Gamakichi confirms that summonings have time limits - Refer to Obito Jinchuriki Fight).

The Snake appears in the Snake Summon Place and Sasuke leaves the Snake. (This is basic Manga Logic, All summoned animals return to thier Home place).

Sasuke then uses his Rinnegan's blitz ability to cover Massive distances in a short period of time. (Read Solo's Post on Summon Animal Home Lands being Hidden Locations on NV).

Eventually he returns to his original position, where he was warped away by Kamui without the help of any third Parties.

Even Naruto can use this, Pretty much anybody can use this, the only flaw to this is that the Summoned animal has to consume you in order to work. So small summonings won't work out here.

This is an assumption due to the fact that there is no manga scan supporting RS summoning from another dimension. I can easily say that anything in Obito's cannot be escaped from without the activation of Kamui which is actually backed by manga facts. I don't see how that will even happen considering the fact that the RS happened only in the same dimension not one dimension to another

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The lies ppl tell themselves....

Flaw 1:assuming sasuke has the reaction feats to even use his knockoff ftg when getting kamui'd.(Seeing how kaguya dropped him in a desert... that's a no)
Flaw 2:Assuming that kaguya's dimensions are sealed like that of Obito's. Nothing leads towards that point.
Flaw 3: Assuming sasuke is even gonna get warped fully(we all know kamui snipe is head only)

And many more.

 

[To Whatever]

DMS Kakashi can't react to

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So Sasuke can blitz right off the bat if they're close, and DMS Kakashi doesn't have the durability RSM Naruto does too tank it.

If both Sasuke & Kakashi have PS up he can teleport out of the way of incoming Kamui Shurikens,

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Since Sasuke's PS has the inferior long range attacks compared to Kakashi's he can wait it out, since Kakashi's rikodou chakra will run out fast (1 chapter) also Sasuke is faster. The kamui shurikens hit Kaguya when she was unstable.

After busting Kakashi's PS, Kakashi won't be able to bust Sasuke's leaving him out of options.

How is he gonna hit him if he's in Kamui?

And never mind, if you're going to do the. Wait until he runs out. arguement.

By that Logic, Naruto is pretty much unbeatable.

 

[Chaosmark101]

How is he gonna hit him if he's in Kamui?

And never mind, if you're going to do the. Wait until he runs out. arguement.

By that Logic, Naruto is pretty much unbeatable.

Kakashi won't be able to React to amenotejikara blitz. Obviously if he was intangible already it would just go through him but since we know Kamui is not instant,
and he'd still need to activate it, He won't be able to in time.

He won't know what hit him basically.Considering Kakashi's reaction speed isn't par with Kaguya's, Madara's or Naruto's.

And if you mean Kakashi just sits in Kamui dimension then that's a forfeit.

Either way

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[Styles]

Didn't Getsu help Sauce reverse summon with Manda?

Hmm at 1st Sasuke summoned Manda put him in Genjutsu and used a time space ninjutsu. All Suigetsu probably did was summon Sasuke to him. Instead of ryuchi cave.

 

[ComplexCity]

Hmm at 1st Sasuke summoned Manda put him in Genjutsu and used a time space ninjutsu. All Suigetsu probably did was summon Sasuke to him. Instead of ryuchi cave.

Ummm huh?

Since when did Hebi Sausage have S/T techs?

 

[Styles]

Ummm huh?

Since when did Hebi Sausage have S/T techs?

Suigetsu even said Sasuke used time space ninjutsu to escape. But asked why was he messed up.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Ummm huh?

Since when did Hebi Sausage have S/T techs?

Summoning jutsu is S/T

 

[ComplexCity]

Summoning jutsu is S/T

Summoning Justu is an S/T jutsu? Please tell me more

 

[ComplexCity]

Suigetsu even said Sasuke used time space ninjutsu to escape. But asked why was he messed up.

So we are giving Hebi Sasuke S/T feats? Please post the scan my good sir

 

[Chaosmark101]

Summoning Justu is an S/T jutsu? Please tell me more

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[ComplexCity]

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[Ambivalence]

So we are giving Hebi Sasuke S/T feats? Please post the scan my good sir

It wasn't really an S/T technique of the kind you think, but it was a variant: [

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]. All Sasuke did was de-summon Manda while inside its mouth, and since Kuchiyose is considered an S/T technique (it instantly summons the animal/object to your location) it explains why both Suigetsu and Yamato said an S/T technique was used.