Sasuke, and the 10 tails, do NOT have rinnegan

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this is what i've been saying from the beginning... hahaha, i love debating
No it wasn't. You were saying that Sasuke and the Juubi don't possess a Rinnegan at all, which is blatantly incorrect. But you are right, why was Sasuke given a Juubi Rinnegan and not a Hagoromo Rinnegan? It will be interesting to see how it it explained.
 

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.... which doesn't explain why sasuke's eye looks like the juubi's and not hagoromo's
Really?

Madara had Ashura's and Indra's chakra , he awakened his 2 eyed rinnegan like Hagoromo who was a Yin/Yang master.

Sasuke had only Indra's chakra (Yin) , he awakened the one Yin eyed rinnegan.

Kishimoto called one chapter : "Sasuke's rinnegan" , you<Kishimoto , you have to call Sasuke's eye rinnegan.
 

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Really?

Madara had Ashura's and Indra's chakra , he awakened his 2 eyed rinnegan like Hagoromo who was a Yin/Yang master.

Sasuke had only Indra's chakra (Yin) , he awakened the one Yin eyed rinnegan.

Kishimoto called one chapter : "Sasuke's rinnegan" , you<Kishimoto , you have to call Sasuke's eye rinnegan.
No, Sasuke has both Ashura and Indra's chakra. BasedProphet is right here.
 

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No it wasn't. You were saying that Sasuke and the Juubi don't possess a Rinnegan at all, which is blatantly incorrect. But you are right, why was Sasuke given a Juubi Rinnegan and not a Hagoromo Rinnegan? It will be interesting to see how it it explained.
Im guessing the Sage gave it to him via Creation of All Things or just "evolved" it.
 

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Im guessing the Sage gave it to him via Creation of All Things or just "evolved" it.
Yes, but that would make no sense. If Hagoromo doesn't know the abilities of that Rinnegan, then why give Sasuke something he knows nothing about when he could give him something that he has mastered to the fullest of his capabilities? I can be wrong, since Hagoromo could indeed know all about the Juubi Rinnegan, though that wouldn't make much sense either, because if it was better than a Hagoromo Rinnegan, then why didn't he get a Juubi Rinnegan himself by, as you would put it, evolving it.
 

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Yes, but that would make no sense. If Hagoromo doesn't know the abilities of that Rinnegan, then why give Sasuke something he knows nothing about when he could give him something that he has mastered to the fullest of his capabilities? I can be wrong, since Hagoromo could indeed know all about the Juubi Rinnegan, though that wouldn't make much sense either, because if it was better than a Hagoromo Rinnegan, then why didn't he get a Juubi Rinnegan himself by, as you would put it, evolving it.
I take back what i said in my previous post, to second this
 

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Yes, but that would make no sense. If Hagoromo doesn't know the abilities of that Rinnegan, then why give Sasuke something he knows nothing about when he could give him something that he has mastered to the fullest of his capabilities? I can be wrong, since Hagoromo could indeed know all about the Juubi Rinnegan, though that wouldn't make much sense either, because if it was better than a Hagoromo Rinnegan, then why didn't he get a Juubi Rinnegan himself by, as you would put it, evolving it.
He does know about it, because his mother had it and he had access to it once he became the Ten-Tails' Jinchuuriki.
He gave it to Sasuke because he is currently fighting Madara alongside with Naruto, giving it to himself is pointless. The 9TR > Rinngenan.
I could be wrong too
 

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It was called the one eye rinnegan by madara in the viz version
That only further proves my point. If the most accurate translation says he has a Rinnegan, then he has one.

He does know about it, because his mother had it and he had access to it once he became the Ten-Tails' Jinchuuriki.
He gave it to Sasuke because he is currently fighting Madara alongside with Naruto, giving it to himself is pointless. The 9TR > Rinngenan.
I could be wrong too
If he could truly access it as the Juubi Jin, then why didn't he? If he didn't know anything about it, then why wouldn't he obtain it to see what it does? And when I say that he should've unlocked it for himself, I mean back when he was alive and not wafting chakra.
 

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If he could truly access it as the Juubi Jin, then why didn't he? If he didn't know anything about it, then why wouldn't he obtain it to see what it does? And when I say that he should've unlocked it for himself, I mean back when he was alive and not wafting chakra.
We are talking about the Sage's actions, not yours.
We still dont know if he used it or not--thats why i said he had access to it, as it was only been used for Infinite Tsukuyomi(excluding sasuke's)
That new eye Sasuke has came from the Sage, u cant not deny that either way.
I think he gave it to sasuke to counter i.t./ten-tails' eye/Madara
 
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He did give it to Sasuke. But physically, how can he even use it if he didn't "unlock" it? or "obtain" it? he's literally bending the rules of everything we know because so6p literally storyline'd a power to sasuke
 

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Sasuke, has no actual Senju DNA. He is the reincarnation of the older brother, Indra (who is an Uchiha).
Sasuke, now has a supposed "rinnegan", that looks like this:

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Madara, has a Rinnegan that looks like this:

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But the Ten Tails... Does not have a Rinnegan. It has been stated MULTIPLE TIMES that the Ten Tails has the Sharingan, and that's how Kaguya got it.... the Ten Tails Sharingan looks like this.
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Madara calls Sasuke's new eyes "rinnegan" .....This makes no sense. How can he have the same (looking) eyes as the ten tails, but have them be called rinnegan, when he physically cannot have them.

Ok, One can have the argument of Sasuke having different-looking Rinnegan than Madara, because everyone's MS is different. But you have to realize, that a Rinnegan has NO TOMOE, and ALSO requires senjuu DNA....


THEORY (spoilers?)>>>

With Senju DNA: 3 tomoe, MS, EMS, Rinnegan >> Something unannounced
Without Senjuu DNA: 3Tomoe, MS, EMS, Something Unannounced.

The only two eyes that look like this, are Sasuke's left eye, and the Ten Tails' one eye. (Remember, this is the same eye as Kaguya's because she has the 10T chakra) Also, Madara's eye. Which he just got last chapter... and hagoromo (similar/same reason as Kaguya)


Madara Just got the same type of eye as Sasuke, in this most recent chapter. (refer to picture above for sasuke's version)

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The 10 tails does not have Senjuu DNA. It cannot have a Rinnegan.


But the problem lies here:
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"when people possesing the power of transmigration get close to the moon" is how you get the eyes..... Which Sasuke did not do.

So6P was the 10T junchuuriki, which gave him the eyes...
Sasuke, is NOT the 10T, either.


So does that mean that the gift that the first hokage gave naruto, is Senjuu DNA? This has not been stated...... or an unrevealed jutsu? (the first DID say it was a jutsu, which he obviously has not used yet)
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what, the hell, is that thing. It's obviously beyond EMS, but it's NOT a rinnegan either. (which again requires senjuu DNA that sasuke doesn't have, and didnt even exist until AFTER the s06p had/created his sons.
There is so much wrong with this thread no offense.

To unlock Hagoromo's chakra and Rinnegan, you need to combine Ashura's and Indra's chakra.
If Ashura and Indra are transmigrations in a Senju and Uchiha, than you need that specific persons Senju and Uchiha DNA who have Ashura and Indra inside them (DNA, their chakra).
You cant use Senju and Uchiha DNA in general to unlock Rinnegan. It wont help.

We dont know how many forms of Rinnegan there are.
Maybe 2 forms exist. One with and one without tomoe.
Maybe the one with tomoe is the ultimate Rinnegan that can use sharingan jutsu too.
One could call it ShaRinnegan.

The tentails has Senju and Uchiha DNA.
The sage basically got it from his mother and the 10 tails.

The sage might have been born with Rinnegan.
We dont know that.

You say:
"when people possesing the power of transmigration get close to the moon" is how you get the eyes..... Which Sasuke did not do.
It is one possibility to unlock it like this. Receiving it from the Sage might be another one.

So basically you really need to reread the manga and some of people their posts here (including mine),
because there are some facts that you have incorrect. A bit more of an open mind to the multiple possibilities wouldnt hurt either.
No offense. Hope this helps.
 
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That's what i'm getting at- There's got to be some form of explanation as to why his supposed rinnegan is different than madaras and hago's that hasnt ben explained yet, and why it's more similar to the 10 tails eye than madara's and hagoromo's pair
 

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That's what i'm getting at- There's got to be some form of explanation as to why his rinnegan is different than madaras that hasnt ben explained yet, and why it's more similar to the 10 tails eye than madara's and hagoromo's pair
It hasnt been explained yet indeed.

I myself believe it to be some ultimate dojutsu, which is being called Rinnegan as well, but a different form than the one without tomoe. I can imagine that it is quite confusing why it is both called Rinnegan.
I would like to see Kishi explain it some more myself as well.

Maybe the Rinnegan with Tomoe is a Rinnegan+Sharingan combined.
Meaning you dont have to switch from Rinnegan to Sharingan to use sharingan jutsus.
It probably gives some more abilities than a Rinnegan without tomoe.

Anyway it is still quite unknown.
I am curious to get to know more about it too.
 

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.... which doesn't explain why sasuke's eye looks like the juubi's and not hagoromo's
I don't know, maybe the Rinnegan also progresses in levels, perhaps?

Not once was Juubi's eye called a Sharingan. It was stated to possess the power of the Sharingan. Madara called it a Rinnegan, Hagoromo said it contains Sharingan's power.

Let's put two-and-two together.
 
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