Sasuke and Orochimaru's Beef with the Leaf.

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[Theory] Sasuke and Orochimaru's Beef with the Leaf.

Okay, it is looking very, very likely that Sasuke is still traitor and is in cahoots with Orochimaru. To start off, there is a chance Orochimaru hates the leaf village for a good reason. Perhaps his clan was destroyed just like the Uchiha and that has gotten Sasuke on his side in the recent chapters.
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First off, Orochimaru seems to have issues with the Leaf Village itself even though he cried for his sensei. When Orochimaru tried to brush it off as being tired, Hiruzen grinned and called him on his BS. He also mentioned Orochimaru is not the type of man to act solely out of vengeance.
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Now the most telling thing about their plan is these panels here. Kishimoto randomly added a recent flashback between Sasuke and Orochimaru talking about his true motives. It strongly hints that Orochimaru has deeper motives and it was shown before Sasuke made his decision. Kishimoto never adds things in for no reason (Such as the scene where Orochimaru asked Kabuto his blood type. This issue did not get closure until much later when we find out Kabuto can assimilate Bloodline Limits via blood transfusion.)
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Now tell me. Those this seem like the face of a reasonable, sane guy with intentions to protect the village?
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Add further to this by how Sasuke claims everything is the Hokages' fault and you can tell he places all blame on them and not Madara and the Uchiha. After that Sasuke says he doesn't care what people think of him and that he will become Hokage but then Kishimoto adds panels after that showing Itachi's words where he claims you need to be ACKNOWLEDGED by others to become Hokage. Basically Sasuke doesn't care what people think because he plans to become Hokage BY FORCE like Madara did back in the day.
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Now notice that the three shinobi closest to what's going on, Sakura, Jugo, and Sai are all suspicious of Sasuke's intent. Sakura cried while Sai and Jugo both noticed something from that distance. The reason Sakura looks disappointed is because she has noticed Sasuke's betrayal: Sasuke is using his control of Amaterasu to shift the flames over to Hashirama's Sage Art: Gate of the Great God -- Seal Head Torii to free the beast. To make matters worse, Sasuke sent Orochimaru kill the current Hokage. The chapter ends with a dark premonition which signifies Orochimaru will kill (And Impure World Resurrect) Tsunade. People assumed Orochimaru brought Karin over to heal her, but Orochimaru used Karin's sensory skills to locate her. Remember no one knew where the Kages had fallen.​

On a side note, what can be more important than saving the world for the Toad Boss? I was thinking Jiraiya could be alive now and re-assigned his contract with him but I am not sure Orochimaru would have had enough time to sneak into Obito's hideout to get Jiraiya's DNA from Pein's weapons and then seek Tsunade out. Still if that happened it would be bad ass to see the Sannin together again.
 
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While I do believe Orochimaru hasn't turned a new leaf, I believe Sasuke has.. and the evidence is in the manga if you just look close enough.

No.
 

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Re: [Theory] Sasuke and Orochimaru's Beef with the Leaf.


Now notice that the three shinobi closest to what's going on, Sakura, Jugo, and Sai are all suspicious of Sasuke's intent. Sakura cried while Sai and Jugo both noticed something from that distance. The reason Sakura looks disappointed is because she has noticed Sasuke's betrayal: Sasuke is using his control of Amaterasu to shift the flames over to Hashirama's Sage Art: Gate of the Great God -- Seal Head Torii to free the beast. To make matters worse, Sasuke sent Orochimaru kill the current Hokage. The chapter ends with a dark premonition which signifies Orochimaru will kill (And Impure World Resurrect) Tsunade. People assumed Orochimaru brought Karin over to heal her, but Orochimaru used Karin's sensory skills to locate her. Remember no one knew where the Kages had fallen.​
the last part of your thread is....I am sorry to say this ..Completely Absurd!!

When Orochimaru absorbed his chakra from Kabuto, he received all the intels, including where Madara was fighting the kages. I don't think he needed karin for that.
 
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I was wondering, you know how Izanami was on Kabuto and Orochimaru absorbed the information from him? I was thinking maybe there have been some revelation happing there from the effect of Izanami.
 

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I thought some of this stuff too. Orochimaru will kill tsunade and edo tensei the kages and return pretending to be all friendly , but then attack the alliance maybe.

also, Orochimaru's feelings are like Sasuke's about the Hokage and the Leaf.
Those two have strong feelings and are sensitive. The Hokage title isn't based positively on that.
Usually people without emotional problems become Hokage. Orochimaru was a small naïve child when his teacher & third Hokage told him he might see his parents one day because he found the white snake summon near their gravesite.
Orochimaru was the happiest I have ever seen an innocent naïve child in Naruto. Sasuke is also doing everything in his life based off of Love for his family and his teammates. Those two bond over the fact that the Leaf somewhat abuses families .. the rules of the Leaf piss them off and they want to change it. Danzo had a very similar thought as them.
But Danzo claims to want to do everything for the LEAF. Those two want to do things for the FAMILY they wish they had back. When your a Hokage , you don't have to HIDE to do things in your own village because you are the ELITE. Orochimaru had to HIDE to do his EXPERIMENTS. Hashirama himself and all the other Hokages took ALL the BLAME regarding the LEAF and the CURRENT WAR.
Those two were both classified as GENIUS. They were beaten out by the toad summoners in a way,
they want to change the way things are so people can also feel their pain.. Also the rules of the Leaf village hold back one's progress by not letting the forbidden jutsu be learned, jutsu which could help people.
awww :bouncy:
 

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Sasuke does not want to destroy the leaf. You don't give Sasuke enough credit for being one of the deeper characters of the series. Whatever his plan is Kishi has already cast Sasuke as one of this story's heroes so regardless he is planning on protecting the village.
 

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Actually, no. If Orochimaru absorbed Kabuto's intel, he'd just have a GENERAL IDEA of where Madara was located. Since Orochimaru had no link to Madara he'd be unnable to home in on the location that way and this would just leave Orochimaru with a direction at best, not a specific location. He'd need Karin to home in properly on that so she's finally fulfilling a purpose.

And nice ignoring all the clues in the recent chapter Alpha. I'm sure Kishimoto is wasting panels for fun.
 

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Actually, no. If Orochimaru absorbed Kabuto's intel, he'd just have a GENERAL IDEA of where Madara was located. Since Orochimaru had no link to Madara he'd be unnable to home in on the location that way and this would just leave Orochimaru with a direction at best, not a specific location. He'd need Karin to home in properly on that so she's finally fulfilling a purpose.

And nice ignoring all the clues in the recent chapter Alpha. I'm sure Kishimoto is wasting panels for fun.
well, if what you claim(Sasuke burning down the seal) is true, we'd find out as soon as the next chapter starts. We shall see who's right and who's not! I would bet all my money on the fact that-

Orochimaru wouldn't kill anyone. if anything, he'd save Tsunade

Sasuke won't betray anyone right now, if anything, he'd change his heart later on. Its too soon for him to turn back evil.


hoping Sasuke and Orochimaru would turn evil again is wishful thinking, unfortunately, it won't happen.
 
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"Orochimaru wouldn't kill anyone. if anything, he'd save Tsunade" Tell that to the dozens of babies Orochimaru killed to create Yamato. Tell that to the ANBU he killed in the Leaf Village. Tell that to the previous Hokage he killed.

"Sasuke won't betray anyone right now, if anything, he'd change his heart later on. Its too soon for him to turn back evil." -- He's not betraying anyone or turning back evil. He never turned back to good to begin with. He's been the same even after his conversations with the kages. Arrogant, judgmental, and uncaring for the views of others.

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