Sasuke and Konoha

[LavaStyle]

I agree that he should not be hokage, but why should he stop being a ninja? :|

Nah, you got me rong, I just mean no hokage, no advisor etc, of course still a ninja

 

[Purpleflowers]

Of course he won't be Hokage but he made up for his crimes.

 

[Indora]

Nah, you got me rong, I just mean no hokage, no advisor etc, of course still a ninja

Okay. I thought so. I just wanted to be sure. Though I can imagine that he could be a good advisor. In case Naruto becomes Hokage it would be good if he somebody on his side that can make uncomfortable decisions

 

[Dantee]

Probably, but Naruto has done more things to earn the title hokage, but he is way too naive to be in such a position. I would say that Kakashi with his current power up would be the best choice

Kakashi will be and then Naruto and Sasuke fights over who'll be 7th

 

[Indora]

Of course he won't be Hokage but he made up for his crimes.

I never said that he will be hokage, but we cannot know. Maybe Kishi would like him to say Hokage,because that could create another Hashirama - Madara situation. Though I doubt, but unless it is confirmed in the manga it is still possible.

 

[Indora]

Kakashi will be and then Naruto and Sasuke fights over who'll be 7th

But wouldn't that just continue the whole cycle of hatred thing. :|

 

[JStar King]

He will be in the final movie for the final fight. Sasuke has redeemed himself, especially he's the one will deactivate IT with his Rinnegan. Haters like Uzmakimadara are just bashing like always with illogical reasons. Konoha did Sasuke wrong. He was an innocent, sweet, caring boy who lost everything. Itachi even admitted that he was at fault for turning Sasuke into a criminal.

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if Sasuke dies then the conclusion of this story is ruined, and there will never be balance. The Sage will never have closure. He chose Ashura, creating a war between his sons and their ancestors. I believe Sasuke and Naruto will rule together in the end, and the cycle of hatred will be destroyed. After all, Naruto is Yang and Sasuke is Yin. Without one, there will never be balance nor peace.

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[Indora]

He will be in the final movie for the final fight. Sasuke has redeemed himself, especially he's the one will deactivate IT with his Rinnegan. Haters like Uzmakimadara are just bashing like always with illogical reasons. Konoha did Sasuke wrong. He was an innocent, sweet, caring boy who lost everything. Itachi even admitted that he was at fault for turning Sasuke into a criminal.

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if Sasuke dies then the conclusion of this story is ruined, and there will never be balance. The Sage will never have closure. He chose Ashura, creating a war between his sons and their ancestors. I believe Sasuke and Naruto will rule together in the end, and the cycle of hatred will be destroyed. After all, Naruto is Yang and Sasuke is Yin. Without one, there will never be balance nor peace.

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I agree. Flawless post

 

[SuperChief]

Sasuke will redeem himself and he will be forgiven, but that has not happened yet.

 

[so12p]

He simply cannot be trusted to do anything except for himself. He sh!# on those of his generation that were supposed to be his friends. The way Kishimoto has created and developed the character is as someone that only does what he wants for his own purposes. He even tried to kill his sensei (basically the guy that raised him) and two of his comrades. One comrade was current (karin), just pi$$ed her away for his own gain. Consistently Kishimoto has developed suckske to be a character that has no respect for anything that he cannot use for his own gain.

Contrast that now to the main character, who Kishimoto has consistently written into situations where he has sacrificed himself over and over for his friends, and someone the manga says over and over "has a mysterious power to draw people together." If you make that comparison objectively, there is really no debate on who the next hokage should be.

Will Kishimoto redeem the suckske character enough to show true growth and a real change of heart? Maybe... seems to have done for a couple of the villains. But IMO nothing Kishimoto could write at this point for suckske to do would compare to Itachi. Itachi actually would have made a great hokage, but I don't think Kishmoto will bring him back to life at this point.

 

[Indora]

Sasuke will redeem himself and he will be forgiven, but that has not happened yet.

Please explain why has not done already

 

[JStar King]

Of course, more bashers and haters.

 

[Indora]

He simply cannot be trusted to do anything except for himself. He sh!# on those of his generation that were supposed to be his friends. The way Kishimoto has created and developed the character is as someone that only does what he wants for his own purposes. He even tried to kill his sensei (basically the guy that raised him) and two of his comrades. One comrade was current (karin), just pi$$ed her away for his own gain. Consistently Kishimoto has developed suckske to be a character that has no respect for anything that he cannot use for his own gain.

Contrast that now to the main character, who Kishimoto has consistently written into situations where he has sacrificed himself over and over for his friends, and someone the manga says over and over "has a mysterious power to draw people together." If you make that comparison objectively, there is really no debate on who the next hokage should be.

Will Kishimoto redeem the suckske character enough to show true growth and a real change of heart? Maybe... seems to have done for a couple of the villains. But IMO nothing Kishimoto could write at this point for suckske to do would compare to Itachi. Itachi actually would have made a great hokage, but I don't think Kishmoto will bring him back to life at this point.

It is true that he very self centered. Though Sakura wanted to kill him that is why he wanted to get rid of her. He would not try to kill his sensei and his camerade if they would not oppose him. Also I would not say Kakashi raised him. He only knew him for a year and he always hated him for using the Sharingan. When I said Sasuke redeemed himself it was for his crimes. Whether or not you like him as a character does not have anything to do with my thread. :|
Also he grew a lot. he decided not to destroy Konoha when he had the chance to and he does not only do things for his own sake

 

[SuperChief]

Please explain why has not done already

To start, Sasuke's list of crimes is long and well documented.

His recent turn of heart to fight Madara was because he decided to protect Itachi's legacy not by destroying Konoha, but by protecting it.

Redemption means to acknowledge one has done wrong and must make amends. The intention behind every act of redemption is to make amends, to set things right, and the only way an act can be act of redemption is to have the intention of making things right.

Sasuke is not making up for his wrongdoings against people he has wronged. He's fighting for Itachi.

Will Sasuke eventually find forgiveness and redemption? Probably, and I hope he does. But he hasn't found those things just yet.

 

[Indora]

To start, Sasuke's list of crimes is long and well documented.

His recent turn of heart to fight Madara was because he decided to protect Itachi's legacy not by destroying Konoha, but by protecting it.

Redemption means to acknowledge one has done wrong and must make amends. The intention behind every act of redemption is to make amends, to set things right, and the only way an act can be act of redemption is to have the intention of making things right.

Sasuke is not making up for his wrongdoings against people he has wronged. He's fighting for Itachi.

Will Sasuke eventually find forgiveness and redemption? Probably, and I hope he does. But he hasn't found those things just yet.

Okay. That is most definately a very reasonable post. i can understand why you think he has not redeemed himself, but his list of crimes is not that long. If my memory serves me right all he did was kill Danzo, kidnapp Bee and attacking the 5 Kage

 

[Zlatán]

He will be in the final movie for the final fight. Sasuke has redeemed himself, especially he's the one will deactivate IT with his Rinnegan. Haters like Uzmakimadara are just bashing like always with illogical reasons. Konoha did Sasuke wrong. He was an innocent, sweet, caring boy who lost everything. Itachi even admitted that he was at fault for turning Sasuke into a criminal.

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if Sasuke dies then the conclusion of this story is ruined, and there will never be balance. The Sage will never have closure. He chose Ashura, creating a war between his sons and their ancestors. I believe Sasuke and Naruto will rule together in the end, and the cycle of hatred will be destroyed. After all, Naruto is Yang and Sasuke is Yin. Without one, there will never be balance nor peace.

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Absolutely agree awesome post, rep given

 

[SuperChief]

Okay. That is most definately a very reasonable post. i can understand why you think he has not redeemed himself, but his list of crimes is not that long. If my memory serves me right all he did was kill Danzo, kidnapp Bee and attacking the 5 Kage

- deserted his village
- joined Orochimaru
- attempted murder of Konoha-nin
- joined forces with Akatsuki
- attempted to kidnap and murder B
- invaded a private summit of high ranking officials
- murdered dozens of samurai
- attacked and attempted to murder several and their bodyguards
- attacked and attempted to murder the leader of Iron Country
- murdered Danzō, a leading official in Konoha
- conspired to destroy Konoha

Eh, Sasuke has done plenty of wrong.

 

[Indora]

- deserted his village
- joined Orochimaru it is not illegal as long as he does not do bad things or is it :|
- attempted murder of Konoha-nin he has not done it
- joined forces with Akatsuki bee kidnapping and joining aktsuki goes more or less hand in hand
- attempted to kidnap and murder B
- invaded a private summit of high ranking officials i mentioned it
- murdered dozens of samurai okay I give you that, though Konoha nin kill people all the time
- attacked and attempted to murder several and their bodyguards
- attacked and attempted to murder the leader of Iron Country
- murdered Danzō, a leading official in KonohaI mentioned it
- conspired to destroy Konoha well, but in the end he did not although he had the chance to do so

Eh, Sasuke has done plenty of wrong.

I agree that I fogot som, but most of them goes either hand in hand or are very minor. Though I admit one big crime that I forgot was him trying to murder the leader of the iron country

 

[Zlatán]

To start, Sasuke's list of crimes is long and well documented.

His recent turn of heart to fight Madara was because he decided to protect Itachi's legacy not by destroying Konoha, but by protecting it.

Redemption means to acknowledge one has done wrong and must make amends. The intention behind every act of redemption is to make amends, to set things right, and the only way an act can be act of redemption is to have the intention of making things right.

Sasuke is not making up for his wrongdoings against people he has wronged. He's fighting for Itachi.

Will Sasuke eventually find forgiveness and redemption? Probably, and I hope he does. But he hasn't found those things just yet.

Without Sasuke all of team 7 would have been sucked in the IT, meaning without him the world would have ended. He redeemed himself when he saved team 7 or at least Naruto because himself and Naruto are the only one who could stop Kaguya at this point. Him killing a villian (Danzo) and fighting self defense against the 5 kages isn't a crime he told them to stay away which they refused.

 

[SuperChief]

I agree that I fogot som, but most of them goes either hand in hand or are very minor. Though I admit one big crime that I forgot was him trying to murder the leader of the iron country

Orochimaru orchestrated the invasions of Konoha and killed the Sandaime. Sasuke joining forces with him was the equivalent of an ex soldier joining the terrorist organisation that attacked his country.

He hasn't done it, but he tried.

Joining forces with Akatsuki is one thing, the association alone makes him every more of a traitor, but trying to kidnap and kill B is a separate crime.

Shinobi kill people all the time, sure, but in the eyes of Konoha Sasuke is a traitor. If Sasuke is to come back he needs to change their minds.

It the end he didn't destroy, Konoha, no, but there's a reason why conspiracy to commit crimes are unlawful acts.

In no way has Sasuke committed minor crimes.

Without Sasuke all of team 7 would have been sucked in the IT, meaning without him the world would have ended. He redeemed himself when he saved team 7 or at least Naruto because himself and Naruto are the only one who could stop Kaguya at this point. Him killing a villian (Danzo) and fighting self defense against the 5 kages isn't a crime he told them to stay away which they refused.

Sasuke saved Naruto because he needed him. Without Naruto, Sasuke couldn't do anything. He didn't save Team 7 to redeem himself.

Also, lol, are you serious? Danzō was a piece of shit human being and the world is better off without him but he was Konoha's interim leader, appointed by the Fire Lord himself, and he was a valuable asset. His murder was a crime. There's no ways about it, even if Danzō did have it coming.

Also toplel at "self defence" - Sasuke breaks into a secured facility to invade a private summit to kill one of the attendees, kills guards on his way, and then it's self defence when the Kage attack him? How old are you? Do you even know what self defence means?