Sasuke and Juugo vs Hashirama

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Hashirama takes this..

 

[wael reda]

Kakashi's statement doesn't mean all shinobi will be boosted equally by Kyuubi chakra cloak.

I once made the same exact thread except Sasuke didn't have Kyuubi chakra cloak (

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Base Hashirama doesn't have the firepower to take on PS and he doesn't have a permanent counter against its offensive power. Sasuke takes this mid difficulty at best.

exactly,the boost was x3 kakashi’s base chakra ,that doesnt mean it will be x3 sasuke’s chakra too since kakashi’s chakra =/= sasuke’s chakra

also there is another misunderstanding,people think the cloack is x3 kakashi’s chakra while kakashi himself stated that the cloack is much bigger than the boost that was x3 his chakra

with the first boost,kakashi barely warped hachibi twice while with the cloack he was going to warp the jiubi ,you can see the difference

 

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Kakashi's statement doesn't mean all shinobi will be boosted equally by Kyuubi chakra cloak.

I once made the same exact thread except Sasuke didn't have Kyuubi chakra cloak (

You must be registered for see links

).

Base Hashirama doesn't have the firepower to take on PS and he doesn't have a permanent counter against its offensive power. Sasuke takes this mid difficulty at best.

Where did EMS sasuke have PS? EMS Sasuke is not on a pair EMS Madara level

 

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke loses.

I'm basing this decision of the feats he has shown with Jugo in his Susanoo and they are not enough to defeat Base Hashirama.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not really. It means that PS is either superior, or equal. Its superior all around because it fights on par with Mokujin, but its much more durable, but combat wise its equal, as the manga showed. No way in hell is it superior to PS, so my post remains unchanged.

Base human golem = PS <<<<<< Since their fight has never been shown in the manga you can go refer to the anime.
Non SM Mokujin >= PS Logically its superior to PS due to the fact the owner of the mokujin is superior =].
"combat wise its equal".. uh no its not. Just because the manga showed 2 quick jabs at each other from them, doesn't make them equal. And its also funny you are talking about a Rinnegan + Hashi's dna powered PS and calling that "normal ps".


Hashirama fought Madara with face to face tactics because they had been friends and now rivals, and he liked fighting him. He doesn't have to do that against Sasuke at all. Furthermore, 0 proof Sasuke can see through the wood clones.

Hashirama takes this battle.

 

[KidGamer65]

Base human golem = PS <<<<<< Since their fight has never been shown in the manga you can go refer to the anime.

Non Canon Anime is non canon. Get manga evidence or don't post. Either way, it doesn't change my post since a boosted PS>Normal PS=Mokujin. So if you are only here to argue PS vs. Mokujin, I suggest you stop now.

Non SM Mokujin >= PS Logically its superior to PS due to the fact the owner of the mokujin is superior =].

I guess all of Hashirama's Mokuton jutsu are superior to PS then...Lol. Lets not use this piss poor logic.

"combat wise its equal".. uh no its not. Just because the manga showed 2 quick jabs at each other from them, doesn't make them equal.

They had a prolonged fight and neither one was backing down, neither one was being pushed back. That is a stalemate, which is equality.

And its also funny you are talking about a Rinnegan + Hashi's dna powered PS and calling that "normal ps".

It was the same exact strength as it was when he was alive. So no, nothing powered it up. When you can get evidence that it was, then we can talk.

Hashirama fought Madara with face to face tactics because they had been friends and now rivals, and he liked fighting him. He doesn't have to do that against Sasuke at all. Furthermore, 0 proof Sasuke can see through the wood clones.

Your first point is irrelevant to the battle. Your second point is also irrelevant as he doesn't need to see through Mokuton Clones to kill Hashirama. He just kills everything Hashirama sends at him, including all of his clones. Since when did not being able to see through clones warrant a loss for the opponent anyway? Lol.

Hashirama takes this battle.

Your argument doesn't support this conclusion, which is wrong anyway. Sasuke beats him. Mid diff.

 

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Hashirama holds this L.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

lol at Edo Madara's PS being stronger than EMS Madara's. It actually had better feats when used by EMS Madara.​

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[KidGamer65]

lol at Edo Madara's PS being stronger than EMS Madara's. It actually had better feats when used by EMS Madara.​

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Lol, exactly....though someone's always trying to confuse fanfic and canon.

 

[LuckyMan]

lol at Edo Madara's PS being stronger than EMS Madara's. It actually had better feats when used by EMS Madara.​

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By portrayal Edo Madara PS should be stronger or equal to EMS Madara PS

By feats they are virtually even.