Sasuke: An elaborated assessment up to the point of Chapter 644

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Before you go on reading, I should stop and tell you now if you think of Sasuke as mere scum of the earth, stop reading now as everything I wrote would apply to all of your disinterest. Otherwise the only shit that'll come out of you will be a belittlement of the character.

Anyway, I would like to indent on Sasuke and his place as a character among judgement, and execute the fact that he is now more misunderstood by people than when he was a kid seeking blind vengeance on his own kin.

I favor Sasuke.. As you can pretty much judge that by my username, icon etc. I think he's very interesting. I like characters that delve your mind into questioning, and trying to grasp an understanding of the complexity that he is. And I think most people who bash him fail to respect him because they refuse to contemplate; and instead shift their attention the other direct polar opposite of his side toward what requires less thought, the apparent optimism and "light". I favor Sasuke, and I don't care if he's stronger than Naruto or not. He's "flawed" and I think he can be liked while those aspects are acknowledged.
I think while people are busy ice picking his wrong, other are learning and relating to what's to me is the most humanly realistic character in the story. And I think Kishimoto means to serve more value to Sasuke's demeanor than the "manipulated emo kid who betrayed every one and made all the wrong choices".

Naruto is strong. But to me, the vast majority of his fanboys are weak-minded(And albeit if he ever met half of his fanboys he would probably slap the shit out of them for having such a cold outlook on his beloved best friend.) And I mean seriously I can say this because according to one of them I'm a ***** because I like him more than nardo. This came from the same group that scrupulously believed that everything was peachy perfect and right on their end as followers of Naruto.
Sasuke fanboys(And I, hah, notably I sometimes find myself a little disappointed in the fact that I share a fandom with some of these people. I can most certainly agree that they can be obnoxious, however some of these kids actually get insulted for simply theories on Sasuke and that's not cool. Yeah I mean really bro, god forbid someone makes a thread about a THEORY whether it be realistic or not-It's fiction- And he MUST be a rider/fapper/other NB noun, because ANYONE who feeds into the interest of their favorite character is a senseless rider. :rolleyes: ) ... Well, Sasuke fanboys, I think most of them struggle to keep their character's head above water by trying to keep him intact with the standards of a protagonist(I know because I've done it a couple of times myself. Let's face it. You like a character, and you want to do your best to keep them superior as much as possible).
And, with this being said that a lot of people DO use the title of the series as a counter in debate- The protagonist doesn't have to be the almighty powerful rise of christ savior in the series. There can be other characters in the series that excel his abilities in their own ways.
And before you go and say I'm comparing Sasuke and Naruto here, I'm not.
I'm just here trying to make a point when I say there is no clear resolve in bashing him whilst currently, the rest of the shinobi plantation are doing jack shit. People do their best to pound the character into the ground every chance they get(Naruto ****s up in one panel and there's the YAHHHH WELL excuses but better yet when Sasuke ****s up there's a whole consistent riot and flaunt about it even if it's the puniest, indirect cinch of a ****up. Instead of blowing up the community with Naruto's little urges for Sasuke to follow his lead or Sasuke conforming to his comrade's plan, maybe the idea should be considered that Sasuke has a secret plan on pause.. Or that maybe his following of his comrade is a good thing rather than ohmygodhessuchabetch.) ; And people are sitting there telling me it's directed toward Sasuke's fandom when in no doubt it's a flame on the general character(I think I've hit the landmark here).

I just think people are silly when they bash Sasuke for what he did in the past, and what he tried to do now. It's a little contradicting.


To a lot of people, Sasuke is like silver, and Naruto gold. Yes, right? Well. In my own conserved opinion, Sasuke rises platinum(I can smell your snide remarks coming this way but typically I don't care because I'm not done here). A friend of mine once told me it's no matter who's physically stronger. Spirit > Physical strength. This is because(As another BRILLIANT thread once stated before) of Sasuke's willpower. He is absolutely the most willful character to me within the series.

Regardless of what people may respond to this thread(And I see no opt reason for a flame war here considering I'm not doing any damage control to Naruto's raja rep. It's a mere enhanced look on Sasuke and in retaliation to the cringe worthy hate threads plummeting the site), the purpose wasn't to desperately save Sasuke's character in an attempt to harbor redemption from the new chapter(Or any following chapters that would by chance portray an exposition of his defeat). I wanted to make a thread with this surmise before, but I needed the right time to do it and I thought this was it.

And if you actually read this whole thing and don't care, carry on with your bashing, but really, don't comment. The biggest problem I have with flamers is the contradictory they convey when it comes to the topic of Naruto's "blue to his red".
Thread wasn't created in the subtle vain hope that I would catch a few nodding heads. Because this is Narutobase, which from what I've seen from being here, is a cesspool of ignorance surpassed only by the youtube comment section. :cool:

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In the past, especially when Sasuke showed up to the battlefield and told the rookies he didn't care whether they approved of him or not, Sasuke received hate because he apparently wasn't taking their opinions into consideration. This wasn't even case, he just didn't care about their approval. When he does take Naruto's opinion into consideration this chapter, he's a *****. Nothing he does can please this fanbase. I remember when people complained when they thought Sasuke was too stagnant with his revenge and such, but when he gained a new goal, he was flip flopping too much.

All I can say is this. No matter what Sasuke does, he will receive undue hate. People say it is because of the fanbase, but they direct all of the hate towards the character. Hell the argument that it is directed towards the fanbase makes little sense, as I don't see what they've done that could make them hated by such a large portion of the forum. It's basically generalizing the entire fanbase for the actions of a few.
 

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I agree. The majority here are teens, pre-teens, or adults with underdeveloped sense of likeness who pick on ALL Sasuke fans for some ridiculous reasons that usually center or align with their own 'Country Love' sentiments or deep rooted character love that should be personal. It's ****ing hilarious. There are fops in every fandom, but to single out one is just blatant bias. Sasuke's character is one of the most human and real characters I have come across in any piece of Literature and I have read hundreds of pieces, believe you me.

It's his consistent perseverance, his desire to exact the wrongs on the perpetrators, and the will to see everything through is what has always drawn me impossibly to his character. Revenge has its nobility if it is done to avenge those who have fallen. It's today's bureaucracy that has altered and warped these concepts and yet, still it's withheld with respect. In all honesty, only those people forgive and forget, who are weak-willed or simply weak to get back at their perpetrators. Henceforth, it's his strength that perfectly links all these tangles together.

A truly complicated and praise-worthy character. One of the very very few decently penned endeavours from Kishimoto. Truly. + Rep.

When you admit you're an idiot, a dead last, everybody is just waiting for you to rise. That's why Naruto is well liked.

When you have pride however, everyone is just waiting for you to fall. That's why Sasuke has so many 'haters'


Pride births haters, humility attracts fans. Naruto Popularity law.

As for Sasuke being strong willed. His being swayed by Oro, then Tobi, then Hashirama tells a different story.

As for his being realistic....mm....how common is it for a guy to be extremely handsome, hail from a famous and highly respected family, be top of his class AND be loved by all the girls despite his cold attitude. Even just a single of this characterizations is rare in real life.

Naruto is apparently not much of a looker which is pretty common, didn't do so well in school, also common. His unfair discrimination because of his status as a jinchuuriki is also realistic as people once discriminated blacks merely for the color of their skin.

Ones appearance has little or nothing to do with characterization or demeanour. You cannot seriously suggest that Naruto's eternally long, holy-lighted bridges of hope, laying down his life for the same people who discarded him and played pranks that could have killed him, or the general hate that drew out this whole Hokage Garbage is even remotely realistic. Naruto's character is a freaking Pony-fairy-tale pluck-out; I cannot stress this enough. My god...your analogy is mind-boggling.

I will not correct you on the Story Liberties you have woefully taken. It'll be a complete waste of time. As for popularity, then the Majority is not insightful or Literature-savvy to even begin to appreciate characters like Sasuke, Nagato - pre-Talk no Jutsu - Obito, Madara, Kisame etc. Do not bring this popularity into question. Twilight has millions of fans and yet those millions do not even begin to cover its obvious lacking in characterization and generally atrocious plot. A food for your thoughts.
 

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thank you for making this thread the idiots on this site will never stop bashing sasuke and his fanabase since doing so makes them look cool.
 

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Excellent thread.... Sasuke is by far more interesting.. Like I recently stated in another thread. Naruto became too perfect and got boring once he took hold and mastered KCM.

WHereas Sasuke struggles. None of his fights are easy. Not saying Naruto's are. But, yeah... Naruto's clones fought Kage level shinobi...

You reasons for liking this character and your inference on both fanbases are legit. Like, I mean actually legit. Not those "LOLLEGIT" some people say. Would plus rep if I could.
 

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I commend you for this thread. I usually hit out at "fan boys" not actual fans. I can see you're an actual fan. I don't even single out his fan base. I just say that the trolls/over-exuberant fan boys (Smd, Macho, Sasuke the boss, SuperflyzzED) are pathetic and a disgrace to the rest of the fan base. They are the ones who always have to being Naruto in to a Sasuke discussion and in turn it brews hot threads that are nothing more than cesspools of idiocy and bashing. I like Naruto more, but Sasuke is probably the most realistic person in the manga given his back ground. And you probably know of my "defending" of Sasuke on topics. When people attempt to bash him (that has no relevance to a troll topic) I call them out on the illogical inferences that they put out.
 

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Thank you all of you for the positive feedback. This was probably the second thread I've ever made; I hardly ever feel the need to create any threads because of my lack of faith in the reactions of other people. :| But this said otherwise. I can honestly say my perspective on people became a little more optimistic after these responses. =D

Shelke, you said it. Thing fascinating about Sasuke is that he always rejoices at the truth.. Always perseveres.
I think if every one did a little more thinking, they would also be fascinated with the masterpiece that he is.
 
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Thank you all of you for the positive feedback. This was probably the second thread I've ever made; I hardly ever feel the need to create any threads because of my lack of faith in the reactions of other people. :| But this said otherwise. I can honestly say my perspective on people became a little more optimistic after these responses. =D
It would be enjoyable if more people, such as yourself, put the effort into making threads like this. Ones where we can discuss things more then petty fanboy-ism or who is superior to who in a straight-away battle.

I'd say you should make another.
 

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im disagree with you with some point. 1. 80% sasuke fansn which i know in real life just little emo child. 2. sasuke not have own will because dont has their own opinion

Yes, and just because of you the whole Narutofanbase is retarded. Take you out and it's a very good fanbase. <3

1. How do you know that's a fair sampling of Sasuke fans? Even if 80% of Sasuke fans are idiots, that doesn't give you a right to hate the character. Then you just upset the 20%. Also, your hatred should be directed at the fans, not at the character.
Are you saying those fans know Sasuke is "just a little emo child" or that those fans are "just little emo" children? If its the latter, you've just committed my favorite logical fallacy.

2. It's kind of hard to understand your meaning with this grammar. Sasuke makes his own decision. Yes, people and events influenced him, but people influenced Naruto too. Iruka inspired Naruto's loyalty to the Leaf, as did Kakashi and Jiraiya. However, they didn't make the decision for Naruto. Naruto made the decision himself. In that same way that Itachi told Sasuke to seek revenge, Sasuke choose revenge, not Itachi. Sasuke choose to leave the Leaf. After hearing a new prospective from the First, Sasuke choose to return. We are all responsible for our own decisions. Yes, our environment affects us, but we decide who we are, not our environment. In the words of Gandalf, "all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."

Exactly. But just remember, he's in the retarded version of team seven. Along with Macho and Femmalefatale. (Though I like them both).

Oh and Minator is their sensei, but I don't know him.
 

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Really good post I am tired of seeing sasuke fans being called fapboys is annoying and rude. I remember some guy that was talking to a sasuke fan and he told him to kill himself. I'm a Sasuke fan and stick by that.
 

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Funny how some of you are trying to make the nardo fandom look like mean/stupid/arrogant guys who just bash the Saské fandom.

For the love of god, the Saské boys are known for being the most terrible and arrogant in the base. Quite homo at the same time (no disrespect). You sound like a leggit Saské boy and I respect you but don't even start to even try to compare the Saské base vs the Nardo one. Saské boys been arrogant since day 1, just because Saské is now far away from the road that now we have to feel pity for you guys.

And you are saying that they bash Saské thread just because they make up a new theorie? Srry but most of your boys when they make a ''theory'' about a new power up it's like ''Saské is just letting Nardo some time to shine before he fodderize him with PS/SM/RIN'' (and no proof are shown).


You are the first half unbiased Saské boy I fount so far.
 
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Funny how some of you are trying to make the nardo fandom look like mean/stupid/arrogant guys who just bash the Saské fandom.

For the love of god, the Saské boys are known for being the most terrible and arrogant in the base. Quite homo at the same time (no disrespect). You sound like a leggit Saské boy and I respect you but don't even start to even try to compare the Saské base vs the Nardo one. Saské boys been arrogant since day 1, just because Saské is now far away from the road that now we have to feel pity for you guys.

And you are saying that they bash Saské thread just because they make up a new theorie? Srry but most of your boys when they make a ''theory'' about a new power up it's like ''Saské is just letting Nardo some time to shine before he fodderize him with PS/SM/RIN'' (and no proof are shown).


You are the first half unbiased Saské boy I fount so far.

This is what you guys always use to prove a point. Last time I check char bashing is not allowed because it causes problems for both sides. Neither should be doing it because it's plain retarded. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 

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Did you really take the time to write all that? I am impressed with your determination.

On topic: I agree with everything you stated.
 

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Funny how some of you are trying to make the nardo fandom look like mean/stupid/arrogant guys who just bash the Saské fandom.

For the love of god, the Saské boys are known for being the most terrible and arrogant in the base. Quite homo at the same time (no disrespect). You sound like a leggit Saské boy and I respect you but don't even start to even try to compare the Saské base vs the Nardo one. Saské boys been arrogant since day 1, just because Saské is now far away from the road that now we have to feel pity for you guys.

And you are saying that they bash Saské thread just because they make up a new theorie? Srry but most of your boys when they make a ''theory'' about a new power up it's like ''Saské is just letting Nardo some time to shine before he fodderize him with PS/SM/RIN'' (and no proof are shown).


You are the first half unbiased Saské boy I fount so far.

If I do recall me stating, I favor Sasuke over Naruto. Of course I'm more lenient to his side. I'm a typical human being who likes to moreover defend something I like. But to a lot of people that's attacking Naruto despite the fact that I defend Sasuke without bringing Naruto around the corner. And if I ever do, it's their own damn fault seeing as the majority of people bash Sasuke with Naruto >>> Sasuke. Otherwise I'm defending him as a character WITHOUT his polar opposite when people whine about the oh such unoriginal horrible things he's done and fling "sasugay" and "emo" around.
You seem to misconstrue a lot of defenses here on this site. If I recall more recently, people are bashing Sasuke, and for flawed reasons. I made this thread in lieu of those RECENT threads. You cannot sit there and tell me you haven't seen them. And they're intolerably immature. Glad you're not generalizing me with the Sasuke fans who DO do that, because when they do they sound a little desperate to me. However you seem to be overlooking some of my points here. I'm not trying to make the Naruto fandom look mean or arrogant. Can't someone construct a thread in all due respect to their favorite character without being accused of antagonizing an opposing side? It's clearly not my intention. I don't care what ___ did against ___, I made this thread based by MY experience as a Sasuke fan and MY expression on Sasuke and the people who undeniably flaunt their unhindered hate against him because "it's the fans fault". It wasn't the fans fault before. But some do admittedly bash him because they just generally dislike him as a character, and that's OK. But there's a difference between owning the right to dislike something and openly insulting it around the people who actually do like him.
And it's also, you know, really kind of annoying now to be grouped separately when we're all a part of the same fandom of the same franchise. Now all most of us can do is try to tolerate each other.
"Quite homo at the same time?" If that's in any way relevant then I would say that applies for any fanbase. Seriously? It's "quite homo" to defend something you like? I don't think it should matter no matter the gender. It's fiction.
And really, "known for being the most arrogant?" And what are the naruto fans who develop personal feuds with people who have differing opinions? Sasuke fans aren't the rats of society here. Most people retaliate them with the same standards and it Isn't ever reasonable. Sasuke fans by that notion are no less deplorable than the Naruto fans who call you a ***** simply because you stated that you prefer Sasuke over Naruto lmao. But before anything I say here is misconstrued, I have friends who favor Naruto over Sasuke(i.e Biju Naruto). I have a lot of Sasuke fans who are my friends because well, common interests; and some Naruto fans because there are Naruto fans that don't judge me based on my tastes.


Did you really take the time to write all that? I am impressed with your determination.

On topic: I agree with everything you stated.

Took no determination at all! XD
It was meant to be emotive after all. I've rehearsed my words in my head many times over when perceiving the character of Sasuke. I gotta say, it's not even half of what I can write!


Really good post I am tired of seeing sasuke fans being called fapboys is annoying and rude. I remember some guy that was talking to a sasuke fan and he told him to kill himself. I'm a Sasuke fan and stick by that.

That's pretty sick. Two years ago some girl told me to go cut myself because I was emo for liking an emo dude named Sasuke and that I was pretty much going to Hell unless I started to like Naruto because he's like Jesus.
 
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Funny how some of you are trying to make the nardo fandom look like mean/stupid/arrogant guys who just bash the Saské fandom.

For the love of god, the Saské boys are known for being the most terrible and arrogant in the base. Quite homo at the same time (no disrespect). You sound like a leggit Saské boy and I respect you but don't even start to even try to compare the Saské base vs the Nardo one. Saské boys been arrogant since day 1, just because Saské is now far away from the road that now we have to feel pity for you guys.

And you are saying that they bash Saské thread just because they make up a new theorie? Srry but most of your boys when they make a ''theory'' about a new power up it's like ''Saské is just letting Nardo some time to shine before he fodderize him with PS/SM/RIN'' (and no proof are shown).


You are the first half unbiased Saské boy I fount so far.

I don't think the entire Nardo fandom are mean/stupid/arrogant guys who just bash the Sasuke fandom. I do however believe in the OPs statement, that most of Naruto's fanbase are weak minded and throw around insults. Like the OP also said, most of the Sasuke fanbase are obnoxious, and so are most of Naruto fans. Both sides throw around insults to the character, AND man/woman behind the computer, so how are you any different when you say it's homo. Adding no disrespect is good, but why say it in the first place. I'm a Sasuke fan, but I don't agree with half the things that are said by the Sasuke fanbase. Nardo fans have been equally rude and illogical, I'm sure you would feel the same if you saw the comments I have, being cursed at JUST for liking the character, being told to kill themselves. If a man of a certain religion insults your religion, would you say all people that celebrate that religion are the same way? Why do you say your boys as if we other fans have any control over them and what they say. Your talking about the many people that state theories that aren't theories just Sasuke soloing reality. Those people are just trying to make everyone see that Sasuke is the best, because why would you want your favorite character to do bad, you obviously support them right? There's nothing wrong with fans keeping people hoping for Sasuke to get the Rinnegan or something. Regardless of what they say, you have the power to scroll past one of those threads without typing the word fapboy and starting a war.
 
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