Sasori vs Minato

[Penguin]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Damn Bogard. You cannot accept Satetsu solos?

:nindaime: solos both.

xD

 

[Bogard]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Damn Bogard. You cannot accept Satetsu solos?

:nindaime: solos both.

xD

Never =D Satetsu isn't soloing. I found a counter
And no Minato solos NV

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Thanks for the rep btw

 

[Nous]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Scenario 1 - Minato, Mid-Diff.
Scenario 2 - Unsure. Depends on how Sandaime Kazekage's Jiton affects Kunai no Hirashin.. Either way, I believe Minato will pull through, Extreme High Diff.
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With Kurama, Easy-Mid Diff. for both.

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[Owarij]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

EDIT: Oops, just realized this was a 1v1 match, deleted my argument

You get off this time bogard..

 

[Shura]

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EDIT: Oops, just realized this was a 1v1 match, deleted my argument

You get off this time bogard..

This isn't a 1v1 debate. xD The thread maker just put my and bogard's names on there because we usually represent these two characters.

 

[Fodder#4]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Minato low diff.

Contract seal to the face.

 

[Strict]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Like i've said, the iron sand makes weaponery useless

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. It doesn't mean Sasori can control them

@AC So you're basically giving moves to Sasori he never displayed? I would counter your shit later U_U

If Chiyo says that weaponry of iron and steel is useless than that's the case, no matter of how you imagine the Jiton influencing the Kunai.

There was another user of the Jiton.

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Kukuku.

 

[Shura]

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1- The Satetsu has a slow formation time. [

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] The shape changing itself into a new one takes time [

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] On the contrary, FTG speed is instant. The iron sand won't even have time to react in order to protect him in time [

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Even if Minato has no knowledge, when he will destroy Sasori the first time, he would notice the heart and attack it the next time(and when you know he would be marked during the first attack, lol) [

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It's not as if it's hard to notice anyway, reason why Deidara blames him from it [

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And when you know how deductive Minato is, he would notice it probably from the get go and go for it already to finish him off in the following attack. With a marking on his puppet body anyway, he isn't escaping.

If Minato even wants to play safe, he will send his clone instead like he did with Obito [

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Also concerning the mark thing it's not happening. It's a signature mark that never disappears, it's not a weapon like a kunai. You said it yourself in your post, only weapons are useless. Markings don't follow the same rule. He simply has no ways to get rid of them or use them for his own purpose

Sasori using his rope to conceal himself is also not helping considering the speed of his opponent. If anything Minato can even mark his rope. It would be easier to catch him this way since it's connected to his body

Concerning the magnetism argument i must admit i overlooked that point due to my limited knowledge concerning Sasori's arsenal, but i must say that if his magnetism works exactly like in the real world, then the notion of weapons made of iron/steel are useless isn't absolute, or i'd rather say it is in a sense, but won't help in this match-up(i'll explain why)

Firstly let's read exactly what Chiyo says. She says

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"The Sandaime's power comes from magnetism, weapons of iron and steel are useless against him"

So basically Chiyo stated the reason why weapons of iron and steel are useless against him is because they comes from magnetism

So now let's look what magnetism really does



When 2objects are in a magnetized status, they are attracted on each other(or pushed if same poles). It's basically as if we had 2magnets attracting each other, or in some other cases one magnet attracting iron/steel made(like on the video above)

In Satetsu's case, Satetsu works basically as the magnet and it attracts the weapons(iron/steel) towards it

Something confirmed by the manga, since luckily we've seen another magnetic user in the manga

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Like you can see, this fodder basically says "2things that have been magnetized would be drawn right to one another"

It's basically how magnetism works. And when you know how it works, no wonder Chiyo stated weapons made of iron/steel are useless since the weapons would be drawn right to the magnetic release that exists in Satetsu and thus making the use of them useless in battle

Also for that to happen, the magnetic object(Satetsu in this case) must apparently touch the weapon in order to transform it in a magnetic weapon for that to work, so if it doesn't touch a weapon, it doesn't create the magnetic force
Why magnetic release won't work against Minato

If i suppose satetsu covered Minato's kunais(because Satetsu can't turn something into magnetic

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like explained by this fodder), because when the iron sand would be attracting the weapons, it would only help Minato further to demolish him with FTG teleportation since the magnetism release would allow the weapons to be around Sasori.


Ah ok. Didn't know you were in Europe like me =D

Sasori floods the universe with poison, GG

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Now, let's get started Boggy. You say that the Satetsu has slow formation time which isn't true. Yes, it may have looked like it has slow formation time because Sasori was fighting someone who wasn't fast and he didn't have to worry about the Satetsu's speed that much. It has been stated that Sasori decides on how fast the Satetsu will be by using the Sandaime's Magnetism. [

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] All Sasori has to do here is increase the speed of the Satetsu's formation time.

Eh, Boggy. It isn't that easy to figure out about Sasori's core. It just looks like an another piece of his Puppet Body. Sakura and Chiyo seen it the first time when Sasori removed his cloak. [

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] After a battle, Sakura managed to grab Sasori's wire and punch him head on. [

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] Unfortunately for them, Sasori reconnected [

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] and even thought Sasori took a look directly at his heart on the floor [

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], she didn't figure out anything hence why she was shocked when Sasori reconnected. Neither did Chiyo figure out anything since she was shocked as well and even proceeded to use her Shirohigi: Jikki Chikamatsu no Shū. [

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] In the end how did Chiyo figure out that she needs to attack Sasori's core? Simple. When Sasori switched to an another puppet, she saw that the core part was missing [

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] and when Sasori in his new body attacked, she saw the core part in it again [

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] hence why she figured it out. Unless Sasori switches his body with an another puppet, Minato won't really figure it out. As for Deidara knowing and blaming him about it. Sasori and Deidara are partners so Sasori most likely told him about his core. Sakura and Chiyo, who has a shit ton of experience, didn't figure out anything about his core until later. Minato won't figure it out.

As for the mark on Sasori's body, yes he is taking over it. Well, he isn't taking over it really, but he is cutting it off from Minato's control by covering and replacing Minato's Chakra signature with his own magnetism which will make it useless. [

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] In that scan, you can see that magnetic aura around the Dad Puppet and here that magnetic aura will be around Minato's mark, cutting it off from Minato's control. And cutting it off from Minato's control isn't really making the mark disappear so that scan doesn't worth anything here, but since you want that scan so badly to be countered, alright will do. Minato had that mark on his on Obito, but what happened once he tried to attack Obito in order to save Sasuke and Naruto? The mark was gone. [

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] Minato was shocked and look at what Kishimoto said; ''The marking on Obito vanished!!'' which means that Minato either lied or overestimated himself. You could argue that this is due to Obito's ability to make all Ninjutsu useless, but that obviously isn't the case since this was V1 Juubi Obito who didn't know how to use that ability. Otherwise, Tobirama would have been dead when Obito slapped him. [

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Furthermore, even with a mark on Sasori, Minato won't be able to get to him. After Sasori puts up Satetsu no Yoroi, in order to try and kill Minato, Sasori will try to use a Satetsu Tsunami similiar to Gaara's Sand Tsunami [

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] which would envelope the whole field in Satetsu. [

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] Now Minato won't be able to put markings on the ground and all of his kunai would be crushed due to the weight of Satetsu falling down on them. If Minato stays down on the ground, he will get crushed as well so his only chance is to teleport to Sasori, who will be flying in the air, assuming that he has a mark on him or that Sasori didn't cut off his control yet. After he does that, Minato will have no other choice but to engage Sasori in a close range combat because if he tries to jump back down and land on the Satetsu. Sasori will make the Satetsu suddenly spike up and impale Minato. [

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] Like I said, Minato's only chance now will be trying to conquer Sasori in a close ranged combat. However, he will fail to do so due to Sasori wearing a Satetsu no Yoroi which Sasori will harden every time Minato attempts to land a blow on Sasori and do note that it takes a single flick of his fingers to harden the Satetsu no Yoroi. [

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] Even Minato's Rasengan will fail to get to Sasori due to the Satetsu no Yoroi since Suna no Yoroi which is a weaker version of Satetsu no Yoroi, managed to tank a head on blast from multiple of Deidara's C1 bombs. [

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] Even thought Gaara fell unconcious because of the force of Deidara's bombs, his skin and body wasn't damaged and since Sasori is a Puppet with a harder body, he won't fell unconcious. Also like I said, Suna no Yoroi is weaker than Satetsu no Yoroi since Satetsu is harder than normal Sand. [

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With Sasori starting to get irritated when Minato tries to crack his Satetsu no Yoroi, he will proceed to envelope himself in a Satetsu Dome similiar to Gaara's Sand Dome. [

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] This will force Minato to either stand outside on the Satetsu Dome itself or to be trapped inside it with Sasori. Once this happens, Sasori will make the Satetsu Dome spike up and impale Minato who will die because of that. [

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Also I wasn't stating that Sasori will use his rope to keep Minato away, he will use his backblades and since Minato won't wish to get sliced or scratched, he'll stay away giving Sasori the time to take off to the air. [

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] Not that he needs it of course. Even if Sasori gets blitzed and marked, he will enter aerial combat.

Concerning the magnetism. Nah, Sandaime's Magnetism doesn't seem to be exactly like in the real world. We know that the other Magnet user you mentioned had to channel his magnetism into the shuriken and we know that magnet release attacks magnetize anything they touch. [

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] Sasori just released the Iron Sand out of the Kazekage's mouths and it didn't look like he was making the Kazekage touch the Iron Sand [

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] in order to magnetize it and later on even thought Sasori's Satetsu can magnetize everything it touches, Chiyo warned Sakura about the metallic tools which imply and show that Sasori's Satetsu does not need to come in contact with the tools in order to control them. It doesn't really matter thought since Minato's Kunai will all be under the Satetsu Tsunami. And no when Sasori pulls the kunai to himself, he would melt them with his flamethrowers. [

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] What furthermore proves my point about the Magnetism is that Sasori was able to control and lift Iron Sand before he actually magnetized it. [

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] He magnetized it when he using Satetsu Shigure. [

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That's it from me for now, Boggy. :heh: BTW, I added the pic because this thread needs more Sasori.

 

[Optimistic]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Killer Bee solos both of them in V2 state.

 

[Owarij]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

This isn't a 1v1 debate. xD The thread maker just put my and bogard's names on there because we usually represent these two characters.

Oh, well guess i'll rewrite the argument later.. however... As a small point.... A magnet or magnetic field can attract an unmagnetised ferrous object once its in range of the magnet or in its field with or without touching it ..its called induced magnetism

And that's what the databook means by

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[Shura]

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Oh, well guess i'll rewrite the argument later.. however... As a small point.... A magnet or magnetic field can attract an unmagnetised ferrous object once its in range of the magnet or in its field with or without touching it ..its called induced magnetism

And that's what the databook means by

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Thanks for the point, Owarij. This basically ends all of Bogard's ''Sasori can't control metallic tools'' statements.

 

[Bogard]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

If Chiyo says that weaponry of iron and steel is useless than that's the case, no matter of how you imagine the Jiton influencing the Kunai.

There was another user of the Jiton.

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Kukuku.

Please read before posting and laughing like an idiot

Spoiler

Concerning the magnetism argument i must admit i overlooked that point due to my limited knowledge concerning Sasori's arsenal, but i must say that if his magnetism works exactly like in the real world, then the notion of weapons made of iron/steel are useless isn't absolute, or i'd rather say it is in a sense, but won't help in this match-up(i'll explain why)

Firstly let's read exactly what Chiyo says. She says

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"The Sandaime's power comes from magnetism, weapons of iron and steel are useless against him"

So basically Chiyo stated the reason why weapons of iron and steel are useless against him is because they comes from magnetism

So now let's look what magnetism really does



When 2objects are in a magnetized status, they are attracted on each other(or pushed if same poles). It's basically as if we had 2magnets attracting each other, or in some other cases one magnet attracting iron/steel made(like on the video above)

In Satetsu's case, Satetsu works basically as the magnet and it attracts the weapons(iron/steel) towards it

Something confirmed by the manga, since luckily we've seen another magnetic user in the manga

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Like you can see, this fodder basically says "2things that have been magnetized would be drawn right to one another"

It's basically how magnetism works. And when you know how it works, no wonder Chiyo stated weapons made of iron/steel are useless since the weapons would be drawn right to the magnetic release that exists in Satetsu and thus making the use of them useless in battle

Also for that to happen, the magnetic object(Satetsu in this case) must apparently touch the weapon in order to transform it in a magnetic weapon for that to work, so if it doesn't touch a weapon, it doesn't create the magnetic force
Why magnetic release won't work against Minato

If i suppose satetsu covered Minato's kunais(because Satetsu can't turn something into magnetic

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like explained by this fodder), because when the iron sand would be attracting the weapons, it would only help Minato further to demolish him with FTG teleportation since the magnetism release would allow the weapons to be around Sasori.

Oh, well guess i'll rewrite the argument later.. however... As a small point.... A magnet or magnetic field can attract an unmagnetised ferrous object once its in range of the magnet or in its field with or without touching it ..its called induced magnetism

And that's what the databook means by

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It works like this in the real world, but it doesn't seem to be the case in the manga. I already talked about it

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This fodder says it magnetise only things it touches before it draws them towards them

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[Pragmatic]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Pretty much. Lmao. Also.. Satetsu no Yoroi = Sasori cannot get marked.



Pfffft. Minato couldn't even solo Kyuubi while Sasori was picked out by Pain to solo Bijuu. Sasori > Bijuu > Minato.

Thats some mfing logic right there sike. You all overate Sasori AND forget that Minato is one of the fastest most badass characters in Naruto. As for Bijuu > Minato you must be crazy he stopped the Nine Tails and sealed it in Naruto he died in the process but shit he saved his village

 

[Pragmatic]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Why didn't Minato teleport the Kyuubi's Bijudama to Obito? He had marks on him.

Obito was too close to the village...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Please read before posting and laughing like an idiot



It works like this in the real world, but it doesn't seem to be the case in the manga. I already talked about it

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This fodder says it magnetise only things it touches before it draws them towards them

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Bogard are you not seeing, that Sasori has used magnetism to levitate and manipulate the shape of its attack by will via Iron Sand? Magnetism cant do that lol. And that its been stated that he converts his chakra into magnetism, he can create a magnetic field at will. Can the cloud ninja do that? No, the 3rd Kazekage Jiton is by far superior. Iron and Steel aren't magnetism they are magnetic materiel.

P.S. real life magnets cant create a magnetic field around human flesh.

 

[Strict]

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Bogard are you not seeing, that Sasori has used magnetism to levitate and manipulate the shape of its attack by will via Iron Sand? Magnetism cant do that lol. And that its been stated that he converts his chakra into magnetism, he can create a magnetic field at will. Can the cloud ninja do that? No, the 3rd Kazekage Jiton is by far superior. Iron and Steel aren't magnetism they are magnetic materiel.

P.S. real life magnets cant create a magnetic field around human flesh.

Pretty much this. Bogard as always talks about the bush. When Chiyo says weapons of iron and steel aren't working against the Sandaime, they aren't working. Whether he creates a magnetic field to manipulate the Kunai around him or spreads his iron sand or surrounds himself and Sasori, to attach the Kunai or manipulate them.

Damn, when Chiyo says that weapons of steal aren't working, they are not working.

 

[Bogard]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Bogard are you not seeing, that Sasori has used magnetism to levitate and manipulate the shape of its attack by will via Iron Sand? Magnetism cant do that lol. And that its been stated that he converts his chakra into magnetism, he can create a magnetic field at will. Can the cloud ninja do that? No, the 3rd Kazekage Jiton is by far superior. Iron and Steel aren't magnetism they are magnetic materiel.

P.S. real life magnets cant create a magnetic field around human flesh.

1- Where does it say it's magnetism that helped Sandaime Raikage(not Sasori) to make the iron sand levitate? Gaara can do the same with his sand and he doesn't possess magnetism release. Satetsu is based on Shukaku's sand only that he used iron sand instead. They basically have the same properties

2- Where does it say the magnetism of Sandaime Raikage's is greater. From the showing of it, that fodder guy's magnetism seems greater to me. Satetsu was uncapable to paralyse Sakura despite her having punched it multiple times or having being hurt by it. Simply put it can only put a magnetic force on weapons made of iron and steel, when like you saw yourself that fodder magnetism can put a magnetic force on someone made of human fless. I already know it doesn't work like this in the real world. It simply means that the fodder's jutsu bypasses even real world's logic

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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1- Where does it say it's magnetism that helped Sandaime Raikage(not Sasori) to make the iron sand levitate? Gaara can do the same with his sand and he doesn't possess magnetism release. Satetsu is based on Shukaku's sand only that he used iron sand instead. They basically have the same properties

Are you reading the scans? The Kazekage power comes from magnetism [

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]<--Read Chiyo's words before she even mentions Iron and Steel being useless. Your getting all this mixed up. Gaara is able to manipulate Sand because of the tail beast. Even when extracted his chakra is still influence thus keeping his powers. 3rd Kazekage NEEDS a Medium to be able to manipulate Sand LIKE the previous Jinjinkiruki, in order to influence the same attacks, and that medium is converting his chakra into magnetism to control Sand via Iron Sand. [

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2- Where does it say the magnetism of Sandaime Raikage's is greater. From the showing of it, that fodder guy's magnetism seems greater to me. Satetsu was uncapable to paralyse Sakura despite her having punched it multiple times or having being hurt by it. Simply put it can only put a magnetic force on weapons made of iron and steel, when like you saw yourself that fodder magnetism can put a magnetic force on someone made of human fless. I already know it doesn't work like this in the real world. It simply means that the fodder's jutsu bypasses even real world's logic

For someone at kage level and by far the strongest Kazekage? From the context explaining he created his chakra to create magnetic fields? What kind of example was that? Since when can the cloud ninja paralyses you with his magnetism?

 

[Bogard]

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Are you reading the scans? The Kazekage power comes from magnetism [

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]<--Read Chiyo's words before she even mentions Iron and Steel being useless. Your getting all this mixed up. Gaara is able to manipulate Sand because of the tail beast. Even when extracted his chakra is still influence thus keeping his powers. 3rd Kazekage NEEDS a Medium to be able to manipulate Sand LIKE the previous Jinjinkiruki, in order to influence the same attacks, and that medium is converting his chakra into magnetism to control Sand via Iron Sand. [

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I'm wondering the same. You posted a scan that says it all. This one:

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Satetsu is a jutsu he based on the previous Shukaku's host. Magnetism is different, it's his special trait(or bloodline limit if you want). Chiyo said it herself that the jutsu was based on the previous Shukaku's host, allowing him to make iron sand into any shape. So the ability to make iron sand into any shape he copied it from the previous Shukaku's host

His special ability only helped to create the magnetic force in it(to weave his chakra into magnetism)

For someone at kage level and by far the strongest Kazekage? From the context explaining he created his chakra to create magnetic fields? What kind of example was that? Since when can the cloud ninja paralyses you with his magnetism?

Well like i've said the way both jutsus are described, the fodder guy's jutsu seems stronger to me. Let's ignore one second that one if fodder and one is Kage and you'll realise it also

 

[Strict]

Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Kazekage's Jiton has at least the level of that fodder Shinobi. He is using Jiton and created a technique like the iron sand, based on Shukaku's ability and the influence of Kazekge's Jiton. That's a level above that fodder guy.

I don't see what's debatable, when Chiyo already said that weapons of steel are not working. That's a fact.

Why Sasori didn't use the iron sand to magnetize Sakura's body is another question and doesn't matter, but Chiyo already said that such weapons are not working.

Flori was right. There is no point in lecturing you.