[Discussion] Sasori remains the best in the Sand Village?

[DigitalMonster]

Key word is could.I am simply stating that nothing is given, and we can only make assumption.It make sense that the guy who is famous for his poison gave the third kazekage something bad.This way sasori avoids the noise/panic and he gets to take him away.Something goes wrong(perhaps a strong will power) and the kage is somewhat able to fight back hence the struggle.

A younger chiho was probably also better than sasori.She and sakura did beat him, and that says a lot.

'kidnap' typically mean to take away without being noticed.so you could be right.

specifically,sasori got beaten by 14 people(including the puppets) .2vs1? how justiciable.

 

[Draegod]

Here's what we know so far:

1. Sasori defeated the 3rd Kazekage and controls him as a puppet.
2. 3rd Kazekage was the strongest Kage the sand village ever had and it can be considered a fact up until the last 100 chapters at least. Some of you might say that Gaara might have surpassed the 3rd, but here's my take on that:

a. 3rd Kazekage was older than Gaara so he had a lot of experience.
b. 3rd Kazekage was also smarter than Gaara because he was able to create his own (stronger) version of Shukaku's power. This was named the Iron Sand.
c. I will use my assumption on this one and say Iron Sand > Gaara's Sand.

From (1) and (2 -a,b,c-) and chapters from the manga, I've deduced that Sasori would have stronger jutsus (and sand) than Gaara, he would be smarter than Gaara (was able to outsmart the 3rd) and has more experience than Gaara. Also Gaara is pretty much a sitting duck and the sand does all the work for him, which isn't good news when fighting Sasori, who also has the poison cloud, 100 extra puppets and just 1 weak spot.

As a conclusion to this thread, I would say that Sasori is still the best shinobi in the sand village.

i only read this and no other comment!.... you are 1000% correct and anyone who thinks other wise is crazy!

sasori could kill many elites from other villages dont matter what era. he was highly underated and died because he let himself be killed (fact). he could take out other kages aswell, but i want get to that... unless someone wants a friendly debate

p.s. not saying he is the best ever, just one of the many best ever!

 

[Aenigma]

b. 3rd Kazekage was also smarter than Gaara because he was able to create his own (stronger) version of Shukaku's power. This was named the Iron Sand.

I'm not even a Gaara fan or anything, but I'd say this is sort of unfair. Who's to say Gaara wouldn't have come up with something like that if he had not had the Shukaku sealed in him, giving him the power over sand? He just didn't need to because of that.

Anyway, I think Sasori was strong, but I think the recent manga has shown he is being surpassed.

 

[Oturan Uchiha]

wow seriously, Sasori didn't have ANY of his puppets during edo tensei, so its really impossible to say whether he had been surpassed by Kankuro or not

 

[Reborn]

My list for Akatsuki from strongest to weakest (excluding Madara and Zetsu)

Nagato
Itachi
Kisame
Kakuzu
Konan
Sasori
Hidan
Deidera

Sasori's in my bottom three of Akatsuki, I didn't add Orochimaru for the fact that he wasn't a member for long (I mean in the time frame of what we've seen. We only saw him once as Itachi's partner and then never again). Now if Sasori was the strongest in Suna it's really not surprising. Sasori was one of the weakest S-class shinobi I've seen (persanally). Now I'm not saying he's weak but for the standard I generally put shinobi of that calibur at he's midiocore (spelling) at best. I say this for his fighting style having clear wholes in it. His weak poing is a huge dot in his chest. His 100 puppets jutsu doesn't seem so strong since they were defeated by 10 puppets and two kunoichi, also puppets in general I don't find too interesting. They're only assets are they're hidden compartments with weapons (generally filled with poision) that most shinobi seem to be able to react to quick enough to defend against them or can fight through them for an extended period of time. Also compared to the members of his team, Sasori could be defeated by any of the above. That's my view on the subject

 

[DigitalMonster]

My list for Akatsuki from strongest to weakest (excluding Madara and Zetsu)

Nagato
Itachi
Kisame
Kakuzu
Konan
Sasori
Hidan
Deidera

Sasori's in my bottom three of Akatsuki, I didn't add Orochimaru for the fact that he wasn't a member for long (I mean in the time frame of what we've seen. We only saw him once as Itachi's partner and then never again). Now if Sasori was the strongest in Suna it's really not surprising. Sasori was one of the weakest S-class shinobi I've seen (persanally). Now I'm not saying he's weak but for the standard generally put shinobi of that calibur at he's midiocore (spelling) at best. I say this for his fighting style having clear wholes in it. His weak poing is a huge dot in his chest. His 100 puppets jutsu doesn't seem so strong since they were defeated by 10 puppets and two kunoichi, also puppets in general I don't find too interesting. They're only assets are they're hidden compartments with weapons (generally filled with poision) that most shinobi seem to be able to react to quick enough to defend against them or can fight through them for an extended period of time. Also compared to the members of his team, Sasori could be defeated by any of the above. That's my view on the subject

sasori can beat kakuzu and kisame.he's basically immortal,the only weak point is his heart

 

[Reborn]

sasori can beat kakuzu and kisame.he's basically immortal,the only weak point is his heart

I was about to edit about Kakuzu but not Kisame. That one weak point is the most fatal thing about him. Kisame's long ranged water techniques are strong enough to deal with Sasori's puppets and submerged under water combined with Samehade Sasori isn't of much use. I ranked each character not so much on the basis that one is stronger then the others below them but for their fighting styles show more affectivness then perhaps the other. However I do think that Kisame can defeat Sasori in battle.

 

[siyo]

'kidnap' typically mean to take away without being noticed.so you could be right.

specifically,sasori got beaten by 14 people(including the puppets) .2vs1? how justiciable.

The puppets are part of their tecniques, but think about this.Chiyo was retired.She also looked like she belonged in a coffin, she was litteraly so old that she coughed dust And yet her knowledge and technique was the main reason sasori fell(of course with the help of mainly sakura's body/youth and antidote).Imagine how strong she was when she was younger and medicine was her field.

So kankaru, gaara,and perhaps chiyo and some of the other kages who we know nothing about.
.

 

[DigitalMonster]

I was about to edit about Kakuzu but not Kisame. That one weak point is the most fatal thing about him. Kisame's long ranged water techniques are strong enough to deal with Sasori's puppets and submerged under water combined with Samehade Sasori isn't of much use. I ranked each character not so much on the basis that one is stronger then the others below them but for their fighting styles show more affectivness then perhaps the other. However I do think that Kisame can defeat Sasori in battle.

kisame is suited for close-range not long.and thats completely useless as sasori can reform himself if he gets destroyed with taijutsu.
most of sasori's attack is highly impossible to dodge.
and again,sasori's weak point is his heart.kisame doesn't has the right tools to one-shot his heart.

 

[Reborn]

The puppets are part of their tecniques, but think about this.Chiyo was retired.She also looked like she belonged in a coffin, she was litteraly so old that she coughed dust And yet her knowledge and technique was the main reason sasori fell(of course with the help of mainly sakura's body/youth and antidote).Imagine how strong she was when she was younger and medicine was her field.

So kankaru, gaara,and perhaps chiyo and some of the other kages who we know nothing about.
.

Although Chiyo was a medic she was more of a poision expert on the field because Tsunade was said to counter all her attempts of poisioning the shinobi of Konoha during one of the wars. Kind of like Kabuto being a medic but now he's like a mad sciencetist.

 

[DigitalMonster]

The puppets are part of their tecniques, but think about this.Chiyo was retired.She also looked like she belonged in a coffin, she was litteraly so old that she coughed dust And yet her knowledge and technique was the main reason sasori fell(of course with the help of mainly sakura's body/youth and antidote).Imagine how strong she was when she was younger and medicine was her field.

So kankaru, gaara,and perhaps chiyo and some of the other kages who we know nothing about..

chiyo was left in a cold sweat looking at how impressive sasori is.
in her puppet fight using 'father and mother' vs kazekage, sasori had shown that whos the best between those two.
and this has nothing to do with her prime state because her experience is more than enough to win a one-on-one fight

 

[Reborn]

kisame is suited for close-range not long.and thats completely useless as sasori can reform himself if he gets destroyed with taijutsu.
most of sasori's attack is highly impossible to dodge.
and again,sasori's weak point is his heart.kisame doesn't has the right tools to one-shot his heart.

Yes Kisame is close ranged fighter and Sasori is long ranged. If shinobi get their enemies into their range of combat where they fight the best then their opponent is weak. Sasori keeps Kisame at a distance then he has the advantage. Kisame gets up close he's at the advantage. However Puppetry I don't see as working against Kisame for the fact that the use of chakra threads that need to be used to maniuplate such tools. Samehada each chakra and fuels Kisame. Although Sasori's stamina is unlimited Samehada's chakra eating abilities makes his puppets useless when they get within Kisame's range. Also don't forget his long ranged jutsu, and his ability to move under ground at great speeds. Sure Sasori can change his body by moving his heat (which I still dont' understand how he can do that) but if the puppets get close enough to Kisame they'll get hammered by his superior close ranged abilities, strength, and Samehada. Now for the long ranged attacks that Sasori possess, which are due to his compartments we've seen Sakura and Chiyo manage to evade a fair deal of them, although I admit they are fast, Kisame has regenerative abilities similar to Kabuto, as he draws chakra from Samehada to repair him. Poisions are the exception possibly not being able to produce antibodies or and immune system for the poision but Kisame can regenerate a fair amount of damage done to him not to mention his abilities that can counter Sasori's long ranged attacks (i.e his water colliding wave technique, and his great water colliding wave and his which attack on a massive scale).

 

[siyo]

Although Chiyo was a medic she was more of a poision expert on the field because Tsunade was said to counter all her attempts of poisioning the shinobi of Konoha during one of the wars. Kind of like Kabuto being a medic but now he's like a mad sciencetist.

I agree.No doubt about tsunade being the best medic, but chiyo was her rival and she was the best in her village.And yes it was more in the poison department.

and this has nothing to do with her prime state because her experience is more than enough to win a one-on-one fight

This is a false statement. Age plays a huge factor in this series.

-The third hokage would have defeated orochimaru if he had been younger.Fact.

-Because of his age he couldn't perform some of his techniques.Fact.

And who had more experience and knowlegde than the professor himself?


Chiyo was most of all disgusted and frightened of what sasori had become, the boy she taught and raised as her own.

 

[Reborn]

I agree.No doubt about tsunade being the best medic, but chiyo was her rival and she was the best in her village.And yes it was more in the poison department.



This is a false statement. Age plays a huge factor in this series.

-The third hokage would have defeated orochimaru if he had been younger.Fact.

-Because of his age he couldn't perform some of his techniques.Fact.

And who had more experience and knowlegde than the professor himself?


Chiyo was most of all disgusted and frightened of what sasori had become, the boy she taught and raised as her own.

Chiyo was a medical-nin and was good with healing and everything but her rivalry with Tsunade was; Chiyo=poision, Tsunade=healing. Chiyo is even said to be Sunagakure's poision expert. Her skills in medician are in every field but more frequently used to develop poisions for her puppets and to take down Konoha shinobi.

 

[DigitalMonster]

Yes Kisame is close ranged fighter and Sasori is long ranged. If shinobi get their enemies into their range of combat where they fight the best then their opponent is weak. Sasori keeps Kisame at a distance then he has the advantage. Kisame gets up close he's at the advantage. However Puppetry I don't see as working against Kisame for the fact that the use of chakra threads that need to be used to maniuplate such tools. Samehada each chakra and fuels Kisame. Although Sasori's stamina is unlimited Samehada's chakra eating abilities makes his puppets useless when they get within Kisame's range. Also don't forget his long ranged jutsu, and his ability to move under ground at great speeds. Sure Sasori can change his body by moving his heat (which I still dont' understand how he can do that) but if the puppets get close enough to Kisame they'll get hammered by his superior close ranged abilities, strength, and Samehada. Now for the long ranged attacks that Sasori possess, which are due to his compartments we've seen Sakura and Chiyo manage to evade a fair deal of them, although I admit they are fast, Kisame has regenerative abilities similar to Kabuto, as he draws chakra from Samehada to repair him. Poisions are the exception possibly not being able to produce antibodies or and immune system for the poision but Kisame can regenerate a fair amount of damage done to him not to mention his abilities that can counter Sasori's long ranged attacks (i.e his water colliding wave technique, and his great water colliding wave and his which attack on a massive scale).

like i said,close ranged won't scare sasori.
even without puppets,he's still deadly

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plus i dont think samehada is useful when sasori's inside hiruko.and it means that kisame himself have to destroy hiruko's defense and dodge all attacks.and its very very hard for kisame to do it imo

I agree.No doubt about tsunade being the best medic, but chiyo was her rival and she was the best in her village.And yes it was more in the poison department.



This is a false statement. Age plays a huge factor in this series.

-The third hokage would have defeated orochimaru if he had been younger.Fact.

-Because of his age he couldn't perform some of his techniques.Fact.

And who had more experience and knowlegde than the professor himself?


Chiyo was most of all disgusted and frightened of what sasori had become, the boy she taught and raised as her own.

as you seen,puppetry doesn't really exhausting much.chiyo fought countless time with sasori even with no arms.
plus her prime state doesn't show any feats or hype showing that she's powerful

 

[Reborn]

like i said,close ranged won't scare sasori.
even without puppets,he's still deadly

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plus i dont think samehada is useful when sasori's inside hiruko.and it means that kisame himself have to destroy hiruko's defense and dodge all attacks.and its very very hard for kisame to do it imo


as you seen,puppetry doesn't really exhausting much.chiyo fought countless time with sasori even with no arms.
plus her prime state doesn't show any feats or hype showing that she's powerful

Sasori's main body is a puppet, that's the only way he has those weapons. I'm not saying close range will scare Sasori I'm saying Kisame's close range is superior to his and he'll be fighting on Kisame's terms. Also those weapons are mid-long range which are his specialty. Sakura and Chiyou were able to evade the water shooter. Since it could cut through the rocks they had to move to get away. Also Samehada is a strong offense and defense. The blade is dense and powerful enough to work as a defense to some of Sasori's weapons. Also Hiruko isn't enough to take down Kisame all by itself. I'm also sure that Samehada one of the most powerful weapons introduced in the series is strong enough to destroy most of any other weapons. The weapons seen to be used by most puppets have been displayed nothing perticurally special just average weapons, with the exception of few unique weapons that the puppets may have that make them stand out....off note I'm watching the Boondocks right now if anybody watches that show, don't yall just love Ed and Rummy?

 

[siyo]

Chiyo was a medical-nin and was good with healing and everything but her rivalry with Tsunade was; Chiyo=poision, Tsunade=healing. Chiyo is even said to be Sunagakure's poision expert. Her skills in medician are in every field but more frequently used to develop poisions for her puppets and to take down Konoha shinobi.

Did i say something else?I agreed unless you are saying chiyo was a better medic than tsunade.I put poison under medicine, and since tsunade was able to defend every attempt from chiyo she i s obviously nr 1.With chiyo close behind.But yes Chiyo=poision/Tsunade=healing

as you seen,puppetry doesn't really exhausting much.chiyo fought countless time with sasori even with no arms.
plus her prime state doesn't show any feats or hype showing that she's powerful

yes, and that should tell about her will power and an incredible chakra control to keep fighting despite her age(just like the third hokage).

We know that she was big part of the second shinobi war.Tsunade, the best medic in the world, respected her abilties and she was her rival, which means her medical abilties were great.She fought hanzo and his salamander several times, you know the guy who named the sannin,and she not only survived but made an antidote to its poison(Sunagakure's poision expert).With the ten puppets she was able to control them each with just ONE finger.She could compete with the third kazekage after she modified her arms, and after the invasion she was the sand village only hope(with the old sibling).lol, and you claim she lacks hype? Without her sasori would have lived and gaara would have died(she also put the seal on him)..

 

[Draegod]

My list for Akatsuki from strongest to weakest (excluding Madara and Zetsu)

Nagato
Itachi
Kisame
Kakuzu
Konan
Sasori
Hidan
Deidera

Sasori's in my bottom three of Akatsuki, I didn't add Orochimaru for the fact that he wasn't a member for long (I mean in the time frame of what we've seen. We only saw him once as Itachi's partner and then never again). Now if Sasori was the strongest in Suna it's really not surprising. Sasori was one of the weakest S-class shinobi I've seen (persanally). Now I'm not saying he's weak but for the standard I generally put shinobi of that calibur at he's midiocore (spelling) at best. I say this for his fighting style having clear wholes in it. His weak poing is a huge dot in his chest. His 100 puppets jutsu doesn't seem so strong since they were defeated by 10 puppets and two kunoichi, also puppets in general I don't find too interesting. They're only assets are they're hidden compartments with weapons (generally filled with poision) that most shinobi seem to be able to react to quick enough to defend against them or can fight through them for an extended period of time. Also compared to the members of his team, Sasori could be defeated by any of the above. That's my view on the subject

you sir do not know naruto! its only 3 ppl in akatsuki that can beat him, pain, tobi, itachi! eveyone eles he can take out.. one word... poison!............... i dont want to list the other 298 puppets that im sure can do other spl moves aswell

 

[Reborn]

Did i say something else?I agreed unless you are saying chiyo was a better medic than tsunade.I put poison under medicine, and since tsunade was able to defend every attempt from chiyo she i s obviously nr 1.With chiyo close behind.But yes Chiyo=poision/Tsunade=healing




yes, and that should tell about her will power and an incredible chakra control to keep fighting despite her age(just like the third hokage).

We know that she was big part of the second shinobi war.Tsunade, the best medic in the world, respected her abilties and she was her rival, which means her medical abilties were great.She fought hanzo and his salamander several times, you know the guy who named the sannin,and she not only survived but made an antidote to its poison(Sunagakure's poision expert).With the ten puppets she was able to control them each with just ONE finger.She could compete with the third kazekage after she modified her arms, and after the invasion she was the sand village only hope(with the old sibling).lol, and you claim she lacks hype? Without her sasori would have lived and gaara would have died(she also put the seal on him)..

My fault I just re-read your other post. I'm half awake it's like 12:30 lol. I wasn't saying that Chiyo was a better medic then Tsunade. I was just restating what I said because I thought something else. But no biggie (Smalls is the best rapper dead or alive). Chiyo was a BAMF for her age though.

 

[Jack Spicer]

Agreed. Gaara is super strong and I think Sasori could easily beat him. Not super easy, but I think Sasori would definitely win.