Sarutobi vs Danzo

[iSpeak]

You think the hokage for decades didn't know danzo had the sharingans or any experimentation done? Where does it say that? Also hiruzen can throw smoke bombs down create the clone and hide. Not even the rinnegan can see through smoke bombs and its the final evolution of the sharingan.

Ofcourse Hiruzen doesn't know Danzo has it... he kept it bandaged up all the time.
So just because Rinnegan cant see throught smoke, that means the Sharingan can't? No. The Sharingan has already been proven to be able to see through objects so there is no reason why it cant see through smoke.
Anyway, like I said. Hiruzen wouldn't make a clone of the bat because he doesn't know Danzo has a Sharingan. Even still, he knew about the Bringer of Darkness technique but still got caught in it.
Your trying to come up with illogical excuses of how he can escape it... but without knowing about it there is nothing he can do. Sharingan can see chakra so it would be able to tell if a clone is around anyway.

 

[youralltrolls]

Ofcourse Hiruzen doesn't know Danzo has it... he kept it bandaged up all the time.
So just because Rinnegan cant see throught smoke, that means the Sharingan can't? No. The Sharingan has already been proven to be able to see through objects so there is no reason why it cant see through smoke.
Anyway, like I said. Hiruzen wouldn't make a clone of the bat because he doesn't know Danzo has a Sharingan. Even still, he knew about the Bringer of Darkness technique but still got caught in it.
Your trying to come up with illogical excuses of how he can escape it... but without knowing about it there is nothing he can do. Sharingan can see chakra so it would be able to tell if a clone is around anyway.

1: Only the Byakugan can see through objects. The sharingan can see chakra flow but not through objects like x-ray vision.

2: The clone jutsu that naruto/hiruzen/kakashi ect ect use is a jounin class technique that distributes the chakra equally, thus making it impossible for the user to tell which is the real opponent. the neji vs naruto fight?

3: Once again you bring no proof to the table that hiruzen didn't know danzo didn't have a sharingan. Its all speculation on what your stating.

 

[iSpeak]

1: Only the Byakugan can see through objects. The sharingan can see chakra flow but not through objects like x-ray vision.

2: The clone jutsu that naruto/hiruzen/kakashi ect ect use is a jounin class technique that distributes the chakra equally, thus making it impossible for the user to tell which is the real opponent. the neji vs naruto fight?

3: Once again you bring no proof to the table that hiruzen didn't know danzo didn't have a sharingan. Its all speculation on what your stating.

The Sharingan can see chakra through objects, but the Byakugan can see through objects period. This is why Sasuke was able to see Deidara's bombs underground.
I know Danzo won't be able to tell which is the real Hiruzen, but he will know that Hiruzen made a clone and obviosuly not use KA. He would wait until the clones are gone, then use it. Secondly, he would have use KA before Hiruzen can make a clone anyway... unless you are telling me making a clone is quicker than activating KA?
Im speculating? So tell me where it says Hiruzen does know Danzo has it. There is no reason for Hiruzen to know. The eye was wanted by many people so Danzo would have told anybody about it. So from what we have seen, there is nothing to show that Hiruzen knew about it.

 

[youralltrolls]

The Sharingan can see chakra through objects, but the Byakugan can see through objects period. This is why Sasuke was able to see Deidara's bombs underground.
I know Danzo won't be able to tell which is the real Hiruzen, but he will know that Hiruzen made a clone and obviosuly not use KA. He would wait until the clones are gone, then use it. Secondly, he would have use KA before Hiruzen can make a clone anyway... unless you are telling me making a clone is quicker than activating KA?
Im speculating? So tell me where it says Hiruzen does know Danzo has it. There is no reason for Hiruzen to know. The eye was wanted by many people so Danzo would have told anybody about it. So from what we have seen, there is nothing to show that Hiruzen knew about it.

1: Sasuke didn't see deidaras bombs underground hence the reason he threw the sword in the ground prior to use as a stepping stone.

2: So as long as hiruzen has clones out he won't use KA thus making that jutsu void. If its prime hiruzen then he'll have the chakra to keep that up.

3: There is no proof that hiruzen knew or didn't know. Its not something that can be argued and won.

 

[EYES OF ITACHI]

i gotta go wit danzo

 

[iSpeak]

1: Sasuke didn't see deidaras bombs underground hence the reason he threw the sword in the ground prior to use as a stepping stone.

2: So as long as hiruzen has clones out he won't use KA thus making that jutsu void. If its prime hiruzen then he'll have the chakra to keep that up.

3: There is no proof that hiruzen knew or didn't know. Its not something that can be argued and won.

The fact that the Sharigan can even see the chakra through clothes prove that it can see through objects.
Also, Sasuke even says that he was able to see the chakra color of the bombs through the smoke.

First of all, Hiruzen would have been hit with Koto before he can even make a shadow clone. Second of all, are you really telling me Hiruzen would just make clones throughtout the whole fight? really? Once Danzo hits clone, he will instantly know if it is a clone or the real Hiruzen. This would even give him a chance to use his Juinjutsu.
Thirdly, which is quicker, activating KA or making a clone? Danzo would attack Hiruzen whilst he is making the clone, which would force him to stop.

There is no proof he did or didn't know, but there is no reason for Danzo to tell anybody about it. Hiruzen never even knew root was still active in secrecy after disbanding it the first time.

 

[-Cerberus-]

Sarutobi

 

[youralltrolls]

The fact that the Sharigan can even see the chakra through clothes prove that it can see through objects.
Also, Sasuke even says that he was able to see the chakra color of the bombs through the smoke.

First of all, Hiruzen would have been hit with Koto before he can even make a shadow clone. Second of all, are you really telling me Hiruzen would just make clones throughtout the whole fight? really? Once Danzo hits clone, he will instantly know if it is a clone or the real Hiruzen. This would even give him a chance to use his Juinjutsu.
Thirdly, which is quicker, activating KA or making a clone? Danzo would attack Hiruzen whilst he is making the clone, which would force him to stop.

There is no proof he did or didn't know, but there is no reason for Danzo to tell anybody about it. Hiruzen never even knew root was still active in secrecy after disbanding it the first time.

1: The smoke that came out of deidara was clear, that was his trump card for itachi. So again how does that compare with a solid smoke? Once again no where is it stated the sharingan can see through solid objects. It can only differentiate the types of chakra and tell if its irregular. Only the byakugan can see through solid objects, not even the rinnegan can see through solid objects.

2: Making a clone takes less then a second relatively the same time KA takes. Its been shown you don't need to say kage bunshin no jutsu to make one, just for the one hand sign and go. Hiruzen in his prime was said to create clones and create more when those have fallen like naruto. (its stated the orochimaru fight vs hiruzen).

3: Hiruzen didn't know root existed, but nobody trusted danzo in the slightest bit. Even the ANBU commander was shocked when danzo was picked for candidate hokage. There's still no proof whatsoever hiruzen didn't know or knew.

 

[iSpeak]

1: The smoke that came out of deidara was clear, that was his trump card for itachi. So again how does that compare with a solid smoke? Once again no where is it stated the sharingan can see through solid objects. It can only differentiate the types of chakra and tell if its irregular. Only the byakugan can see through solid objects, not even the rinnegan can see through solid objects.

2: Making a clone takes less then a second relatively the same time KA takes. Its been shown you don't need to say kage bunshin no jutsu to make one, just for the one hand sign and go. Hiruzen in his prime was said to create clones and create more when those have fallen like naruto. (its stated the orochimaru fight vs hiruzen).

3: Hiruzen didn't know root existed, but nobody trusted danzo in the slightest bit. Even the ANBU commander was shocked when danzo was picked for candidate hokage. There's still no proof whatsoever hiruzen didn't know or knew.

1.Like I said, the fact that the Sharingan can even see through clothes and skin is evident that it can see through objects.
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2. You said Hiruzen would throw smoke, create a clone then run. But the time he does that, he would have been hit with KA. Obviously Hiruzen cannot create a clone and confuse Danzo who is standing right infront of him, in the time it takes to cast KA. Also, I honestly don't remember that being said about Hiruzen. Manga reference please?

3. What does that have to do with anything? Evidently, Danzo kepts secrets away from Hiruzen. So why would he tell Hiruzen about KA? Especially when so many people were after it. You cant say "there is nothing to disprove it, therefore it is true". It doesn't work like that. If there is no reason or evidence to show that he never knew, then until told otherwise, we assume that he never knew.

 

[youralltrolls]

1.Like I said, the fact that the Sharingan can even see through clothes and skin is evident that it can see through objects.
Sasuke also confirms it here:

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2. You said Hiruzen would throw smoke, create a clone then run. But the time he does that, he would have been hit with KA. Obviously Hiruzen cannot create a clone and confuse Danzo who is standing right infront of him, in the time it takes to cast KA. Also, I honestly don't remember that being said about Hiruzen. Manga reference please?

3. What does that have to do with anything? Evidently, Danzo kepts secrets away from Hiruzen. So why would he tell Hiruzen about KA? Especially when so many people were after it. You cant say "there is nothing to disprove it, therefore it is true". It doesn't work like that. If there is no reason or evidence to show that he never knew, then until told otherwise, we assume that he never knew.

1: Sasuke just said to "confirm my assumption". If he could see through solid objects it wouldn't of been an assumption. Way to use logic there.

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It states he can't use it anymore, its different from before. Implying he could use it more freely when he had chakra levels. In the anime they go on elaborating that he could make clones when others have fallen.

3: Or we can assume he knew because there is absolutely no evidence that he didn't know. Itachi knew that danzo had taken shisui's eye before he pleaded with the third hokage so maybe he told him. Its evidence in itself. Although not very strong evidence still creates a possibility.

 

[iSpeak]

1: Sasuke just said to "confirm my assumption". If he could see through solid objects it wouldn't of been an assumption. Way to use logic there.

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It states he can't use it anymore, its different from before. Implying he could use it more freely when he had chakra levels. In the anime they go on elaborating that he could make clones when others have fallen.

3: Or we can assume he knew because there is absolutely no evidence that he didn't know. Itachi knew that danzo had taken shisui's eye before he pleaded with the third hokage so maybe he told him. Its evidence in itself. Although not very strong evidence still creates a possibility.

1.Please don't question my logic when you are the one who is wrong...
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It doesn't take a genius to work out that his "assumption" was wether or not his lightning was what disabled the bombs.
He says it himself that he is able to see the colour of chakra, after Deidara asked him how he was able to notice the landmines.

2.Are you even serious anymore? How in the world does that imply Hiruzen had large chakra reserves and could spam KB's? All it means is that he doesn't have as much chakra as he had before. I couldn't care less what was said in the Anime.

3."Or we can assume he knew because there is absolutely no evidence that he didn't know"

For real? Sorry but that kind of logic doesn't work with me. Atleast come up with a reason why Hiruzen should know... but there isn't any.

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Thats like me saying "Itachi knew who Tobi's identity because there is no proof he didnt".
Ofcourse Itachi would know... Shisui is infront of him with a missing eye. Shisui would have told Itachi that he gave it to Danzo. So why would he tell Hiruzen?

 

[HiddenSound]

What the hell. Danzo would beat Sarutobi. Danzo has Kotoamatsukami. Battle done. If he doesn't have KA then he has Izanagi for 10 minutes. Powerful wind techniques. And his fuinjutsu. Danzo high dif.

 

[narutownsyouall]

Sarutobi. Enma cancels out KA. And to be honest I have no doubt that Hiruzen has some defense against KA since Danzo did not like Hiruzen and probably tried using it to become Hokage.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Sarutobi. Enma cancels out KA.

how will he know sarutobi was hit by it at all?

Right because people always like to lie to themselves. He was talking to orochimaru he wouldn't be lieing. Name one time kabuto lied to orochimaru.

he wasnt lying. as i said he was recounting what others have said about hiruzen and attributed that to how difficult the fight ended up being

 

[narutownsyouall]

how will he know sarutobi was hit by it at all?

he wasnt lying. as i said he was recounting what others have said about hiruzen and attributed that to how difficult the fight ended up being

He will know the change in character. They have known each other for a very long time.

 

[youralltrolls]

1.Please don't question my logic when you are the one who is wrong...
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It doesn't take a genius to work out that his "assumption" was wether or not his lightning was what disabled the bombs.
He says it himself that he is able to see the colour of chakra, after Deidara asked him how he was able to notice the landmines.

2.Are you even serious anymore? How in the world does that imply Hiruzen had large chakra reserves and could spam KB's? All it means is that he doesn't have as much chakra as he had before. I couldn't care less what was said in the Anime.

3."Or we can assume he knew because there is absolutely no evidence that he didn't know"

For real? Sorry but that kind of logic doesn't work with me. Atleast come up with a reason why Hiruzen should know... but there isn't any.

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Thats like me saying "Itachi knew who Tobi's identity because there is no proof he didnt".
Ofcourse Itachi would know... Shisui is infront of him with a missing eye. Shisui would have told Itachi that he gave it to Danzo. So why would he tell Hiruzen?

1: He made an assumption that they were earth based and used lightening release combined with his sword to negate one area.

2: So your telling me, The God of Shinobi didn't have large chakra reserves? That's like saying Madara didn't have a sharingan.

3: He pleaded with hiruzen not to destroy sasuke when he killed the uchiha, he might of revealed what danzo had done too.

 

[Volcanikage]

Hiruzen was consider way better than Danzo..... even danzo know he wasnt better than the 3 third he could challenge Hiruzen for to become Hokage but he knew he was to weak to do it even after dead all he could think if never getting at Hiruzen lvl

 

[OG9TAILS]

Sarutobi already kicked Danzo's a**, learn you history.

 

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Hiruzen. Even at danzos death he said he could never catch up to him,so its not really debatable when danzo/kishi says so themselves...

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Thread over?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Danzo even admitted how he was always steps behind Hiruzen
And couldnt catch up

I would give it to Hiruzen anyway