Sarada: the most versatile out of new gen?

[salamander uchiha]

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Read the post again and don't post a rebuttal full of fallacies since my post didn't infer or suggest most of the BS that was posted.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I was arguing this idiocy with someone earlier.

Anyone who tries to make sense of the Volume Book stats has to understand that they make no sense under any context. Moegi and Konohamaru being smarter than Sasuke? Sarada being physically stronger than Sakura? Boruto as fast as Hokage Naruto? Sasuke being 10 points smarter than Naruto?

Under what context are these stats legitimate? I don't care if they are considered 'canon' or not, that's neither here nor there. We are talking about making sense of them, and they don't make sense. At all.

The lengths people will go to wank their favs is unreal. Imagine deciding to ignore how bad something is just because you want to wank someone.

This sort of mentality is unreal to me.

This is the same fan base who claims Sakura one shotted Kaguya or managed to outrun her arm or that Salad managed to defeat multiple MS users in one go. We should just get used to it at this point.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Read the post again and don't post a rebuttal full of fallacies since my post didn't infer or suggest most of the BS that was posted.

No Objection?? Concession Accepted

 

[salamander uchiha]

....the denial. It clearly says they were all the village could've mustered at the time.



Yeah it allowed the uchihas to cheat.....



Boruto is more versatile than Sarada.

Were Rock Lee, Shikamaru and Temari in the village yes or no? There's no denial it's just you ignoring the facts.

cheat

tʃiːt/

verb

1.

act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

"she always*cheats at*cards"

2.

avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.

"she cheated death in a spectacular crash"

synonyms:avoid,*escape,*evade,*elude,*steer clear of,*dodge,*duck,*miss,*sidestep,*bypass,*skirt,*shun,*eschew;*More

noun

1.

a person who behaves dishonestly in order to gain an advantage.

synonyms:swindler,*cheater,*fraudster,*trickster,*confidence trickster,*deceiver,*hoaxer,*hoodwinker,*double-dealer,*double-crosser,*sham,*fraud,*fake,*crook,*rogue,*charlatan,*quack,*mountebank,*racketeer;*More

I hope the definition of cheat is clear the sharingan doesn't fall into any of those 3.

Read the third paragraph again.

Anyway salamander signing out.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

It's funny when you think about the fact that Boruto easily speed past Buntan with one technique, whereas she couldn't even move against it, and Sarada struggled for an entire episode against her. Mostly running around and trying to bide her time with strategy.

Boruto would of ended that match with Gale Palm in one second.

IDK why Salad fan's are underrating Anime Bolt for.

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Smh

I don't think Buntan would have a problem with Bolt's speed. And it's not perfect yet anyway. He's still vulnerable to low blows since he doesn't have a doujutsu to predict the enemy's counter-move.

Also, when Bolt throws the lightning induced shuriken at Shizuma, he doesn't try to deflect any of them and merely leaps out of the way.

Seconds after, Bolt hurls Shurikens at him again, and Buntan emerges from the water and deflects all of them with ease.

Looking at her body posture as she counters all of them, she might be faster in arm movement than Shizuma and that's all she would need to counter Bolt's speed.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

If you didn't see the objection in that post then you definitely need help, concession accepted and comprehension lessons advised.

Salamander signing out.

Your only Objection is that you're crying over your spill milk. You called out my post "BS" without even bothering countering all my post.

So yeah go ahead and log off, this just further add salt on your wound. Stay Crusty

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Were Rock Lee, Shikamaru and Temari in the village yes or no? There's no denial it's just you ignoring the facts.

Them being in the village doesn't mean they were free and sitting idle. They probably were part of the relief effort or handling the village defenses. Anyway what Shikamaru said is pretty clear and bringing Rock Lee, Temari etc is nothing but denying the obvious.

cheat

tʃiːt/

verb

1.

act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

"she always*cheats at*cards"

2.

avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.

"she cheated death in a spectacular crash"

synonyms:avoid,*escape,*evade,*elude,*steer clear of,*dodge,*duck,*miss,*sidestep,*bypass,*skirt,*shun,*eschew;*More

noun

1.

a person who behaves dishonestly in order to gain an advantage.

synonyms:swindler,*cheater,*fraudster,*trickster,*confidence trickster,*deceiver,*hoaxer,*hoodwinker,*double-dealer,*double-crosser,*sham,*fraud,*fake,*crook,*rogue,*charlatan,*quack,*mountebank,*racketeer;*More

I hope the definition of cheat is clear the sharingan doesn't fall into any of those 3.

Read the third paragraph again.

Thanks. All this fits the sharingan perfectly.

Anyway salamander signing out.

Okay. Concession accepted :lol

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I was arguing this idiocy with someone earlier.

Anyone who tries to make sense of the Volume Book stats has to understand that they make no sense under any context. Moegi and Konohamaru being smarter than Sasuke? Sarada being physically stronger than Sakura? Boruto as fast as Hokage Naruto? Sasuke being 10 points smarter than Naruto?

Under what context are these stats legitimate? I don't care if they are considered 'canon' or not, that's neither here nor there. We are talking about making sense of them, and they don't make sense. At all.

The lengths people will go to wank their favs is unreal. Imagine deciding to ignore how bad something is just because you want to wank someone.

This sort of mentality is unreal to me.

You're over reacting. And if to dismiss stats all we had to do was make pedantic comparisons, one after the other, then we'd likely never come to any consensus.

The next stats that get release I swear to god I'll ignore them completely. Anyone that uses them I'll simply scoff them, cause you're practically destroying all room for reference to stats when it comes to character ability.

Since I don't care enough anyway, y'all can continue to dismiss these stats. I'll just remind y'all that you ignored the first issue, so why accept any Databooks anymore since we're now going with subjectivity and not objective facts coming directly from the author?

Just my candid thoughts tho. Should ignore them if ya want. Salad has 2 in Genjutsu, let's debate on that the whole day while the author's opinion simplifies it for us and prevents pointless arguments. :bdpf:

 

[lndra]

I don't think Buntan would have a problem with Bolt's speed.

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And it's not perfect yet anyway. He's still vulnerable to low blows since he doesn't have a doujutsu to predict the enemy's counter-move.

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Also, when Bolt throws the lightning induced shuriken at Shizuma, he doesn't try to deflect any of them and merely leaps out of the way.

What does that have to do with speed?

Seconds after, Bolt hurls Shurikens at him again, and Buntan emerges from the water and deflects all of them with ease.

No shit it's only shuriken coated with baby sparks.

Looking at her body posture as she counters all of them, she might be faster in arm movement than Shizuma and that's all she would need to counter Bolt's speed.

Shizuma just wanted to bring everyone together to show a means of force.

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Anyway, Shizuma was the only one actually capable of countering Boruto's Gale Palm, which means your 'arm movement' argument make no sense

 

[Askeladd]

I don't think Buntan would have a problem with Bolt's speed

> screenshot clearly prove otherwise..

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she might be faster

I'm starting to believe that this guy is trolling

 

[lndra]

You're overreaching. And if to dismiss stats all we had to do was make pedantic comparisons, one after the other, then we'd likely never come to any consensus.

Anyone who says these stats make sense needs to actually read the Manga, because they correlate nowhere.

"overreaching"

> Is basically arguing that the stats make sense when they don't.

Show me a manga feat of Konohamaru and Moegi being smarter than Adult Sasuke and I'll concede.

The next stats that get release I swear to god I'll ignore them completely. Anyone that uses them I'll simply scoff them, cause you're practically destroying all room for reference to stats when it comes to character ability.

Those stats makes no sense. That's what everyone is saying. The moment T7 got released, something was just off.

Just my candid thoughts tho. Should ignore them if ya want. Salad has 2 in Genjutsu, let's debate on that the whole day while the author's opinion simplifies it for us and prevents pointless arguments. :bdpf:

No one cares about the ability/skill portion, people are talking about the stats. Ya'll can believe w-e you want to make yourself feel better at night.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Anyone who says these stats make sense needs to actually read the Manga, because they correlate nowhere.

"overreaching"

Auto-correct. I meant to say over reacting.

I don't care if they don't correlate, cause when we start caring you can dismiss anything simply by arguing that the stats are BS.

Y'all are doing that now, so I'll do the same when they don't appease to my feelings.

> Is basically arguing that the stats make sense when they don't.

Is that why they were put out, so we could debate on them or accept them as fact? :wut: Author believes Salad should be a 4 in Genjutsu. He hasn't fully portrayed her to that capability, but he will soon anyway. And just cause one thing seems wrong doesn't make the whole stats wrong.

That's like seeing that the answer a learner got was wrong so you give them 0 when the steps are correct or the work out that leads to the answer.

Regardless, author > our subjective opinions.

Show me a manga feat of Konohamaru and Moegi being smarter than Adult Sasuke and I'll concede.

Smart and intelligence aren't synonymous, I think.

Also, I'm sure there's a formidable explanation as to why. We just don't know yet. Do you really think these stats would go through Kishimoto's perusal and they wouldn't be what the author thinks is true? Matter of the fact is that's what is now. Our opinions are merely opinions.

We can argue for days, but the fact remains that the author thinks Konohamaru is more intelligent than Sasuke. It's just a matter of time now before he starts conveying it as so, unfortunately. I'm not so sure tho if we'll ever see Konohamaru being as smart as Sasuke, but as for intelligence I can't really tell as it pertains to a lot of things, not just your combat-ability.

Intelligence and combat-ability don't correlate, IMO. The only time out of few we've seen intelligence playing a prominent role in a fight was Sakura and Chiyo v. Sasori, Salad and Buntan.

What Salad did at the end of the fight where she utilized the temperature of the environment, that was an intelligence feat. I don't see Sasuke being that well-versed in Science, which is why I'm kind of thinking these stats. could actually make sense. The new generation is after all more educated than the previous, and the curriculum has evidently been drastically altered. But I could just be over-thinking it.

Those stats makes no sense. That's what everyone is saying. The moment T7 got released, something was just off.

Yeah, but these very same people utilize the stats. to supplement their arguments.

Just in this thread, a Bolt fan referred to the stats. yet they conspicuously agree with you.

No one cares about the ability/skill portion, people are talking about the stats. Ya'll can believe w-e you want to make yourself feel better at night.

Salamander cares, I care. It doesn't matter if there's just the two of us. At least we don't try to overrule the author's word.

 

[SenseiSama]

"she has Sasuke's talent" - Kishimoto


#UchihaGreatness

 

[Vulpini]

"she has Sasuke's talent" - Kishimoto


#UchihaGreatness

Only salty haters deny. :salt:

 

[lndra]

Auto-correct. I meant to say over reacting.

I don't care if they don't correlate, cause when we start caring you can dismiss anything simply by arguing that the stats are BS.

Y'all are doing that now, so I'll do the same when they don't appease to my feelings.

I don't really care for this type of argument either. When it comes to how stats work, we always correlate it with feats in mind. And when we compare those stats to the feats which characters have displayed, they make no sense. This is how a logical person should think, IMO.

Is that why they were put out, so we could debate on them or accept them as fact? :wut: Author believes Salad should be a 4 in Genjutsu. He hasn't fully portrayed her to that capability, but he will soon anyway. And just cause one thing seems wrong doesn't make the whole stats wrong.

This has nothing to do with stats, as in the numbers associated with the physical and mental capabilities of the characters.

Regardless, author > our subjective opinions.

Ukyo Kodachi doesn't make this. It's not stated anywhere, anyway.

Smart and intelligence aren't synonymous, I think.

They are supposed to mean the same thing in this scenario, they are supposed to be calculating how smart the character is. Which the failed horribly.

Also, I'm sure there's a formidable explanation as to why. We just don't know yet. Do you really think these stats would go through Kishimoto's perusal and they wouldn't be what the author thinks is true? Matter of the fact is that's what is now. Our opinions are merely opinions.

So basically what your saying is that you have no actual explanation as why the stats make sense? In what context would any of those characters show better physical or mental feats than Sasuke, of all people?

Can you honestly say that is possible?

We can argue for days, but the fact remains that the author thinks Konohamaru is more intelligent than Sasuke. It's just a matter of time now before he starts conveying it as so, unfortunately. I'm not so sure tho if we'll ever see Konohamaru being as smart as Sasuke, but as for intelligence I can't really tell as it pertains to a lot of things, not just your combat-ability.

Konohamaru will never be seen smarter than Sasuke, never. No amount of ass-pull or feats will correlate this, especially with Sasuke's screen time, strategy, and other usages of intelligence over the course of the story.

Intelligence and combat-ability don't correlate, IMO. The only time out of few we've seen intelligence playing a prominent role in a fight was Sakura and Chiyo v. Sasori, Salad and Buntan.

Wrong in every level. If you think intelligence played a prominent role in a few fights, then you clearly haven't been reading the Manga at all.

This is even counting the fact that Shikamaru has had more fights indicating intelligence over brute strength, than anyone else, but what-ever.

Yeah, but these very same people utilize the stats. to supplement their arguments.

These people are dumb.

Just in this thread, a Bolt fan referred to the stats. yet they conspicuously agree with you.

I don't care?

Salamander cares, I care. It doesn't matter if there's just the two of us. At least we don't try to overrule the author's word.

Doesn't matter to me. You can try to use these stats but they'll never make sense under the context of feats displayed in the Manga.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

"she has Sasuke's talent" - Kishimoto


#UchihaGreatness

well she is his daughter

the only genetically close thing to Sasuke that isn't 6 feet under

but she is also the closets thing to Sakura... good thing Naruto directed her accordingly

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

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Did any of them have to?

And saw him move that fast yet still wanted to fight him. You think she'd want to fight Bolt when she knows she can't counter his speed?

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As did Salad.

No shit it's only shuriken coated with baby sparks.

They're actually fast. You think Shizuma would have such a surprised look on his face and he wasn't intimidated by their speed? Not to mention, he jumped out of the way instead of deflect them.

Shizuma just wanted to bring everyone together to show a means of force.

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What do you mean by that?

Anyway, Shizuma was the only one actually capable of countering Boruto's Gale Palm, which means your 'arm movement' argument make no sense

Nowhere is that confirmed. None of the neo-swordsman moved or were daunted by the speed. They didn't even express their surprise if they were surprised at all, so I think we know they're all capable.

And Buntan wanted to fight Bolt even after she had seen that speed, and she seemed ebullient when she thought she had got Bolt instead of Salad, so I think she knew she could counter it.

 

[lndra]

Did any of them have to?

Yes. You don't show any of them actually reacting to the feat itself, then they can't. It's even worse at the point that the first two males above, actually swung their swords after Boruto passed them, indicating that they were able to keep up with his speed after the fact.

So unless you have anything that showcases she would be capable of moving against the Gale Palm, when nothing says that. Then this discussion is pretty clear IMO.

They're actually fast. You think Shizuma would have such a surprised look on his face and he wasn't intimidated by their speed? Not to mention, he jumped out of the way instead of deflect them.

There's nothing stated about Boruto's shurikens being fast, anywhere. Show me a screen shot of that statement.

The only reason why Shizuma moved away was because he couldn't counter them with his sword only, hence why Buntan came up with electrified swords and washed them away.

What do you mean by that?

Shizuma only called his team mates because he wanted to show his 'force', instead of actually needing them. He could handle Boruto by himself, indicated when Boruto fell to his Suiton blade moments later.

Nowhere is that confirmed. None of the neo-swordsman moved or were daunted by the speed. They didn't even express their surprise if they were surprised at all, so I think we know they're all capable.

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Even afterwards, one of the leading males ontop says "You almost has us scared for a minute" -- lmfao. They were trying to talk smack because Shizuma countered him, despite the fact that he moved past them without a hitch. lol

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These lame ass swordsman all are just hiding behind Shizuma's counter :lol

And Buntan wanted to fight Bolt even after she had seen that speed, and she seemed ebullient when she thought she had got Bolt instead of Salad, so I think she knew she could counter it.

This doesn't make any sense. Just because you want to fight someone, means that your better than them? How about when Sakura tackled Sasuke here:

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Are you indicating that the narrative is saying that Sakura is capable of matching or even countering any of Sasuke's abilities because 'she wants to fight him'.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I don't really care for this type of argument either. When it comes to how stats work, we always correlate it with feats in mind. And when we compare those stats to the feats which characters have displayed, they make no sense. This is how a logical person should think, IMO.

Logic doesn't matter in the Anime community. It never did.

> Legit source
> Approved by author

That's only what matters, and opinions don't sadly.

Also: you're basically saying someone who's working on the story and knows it better than you do could be wrong, and you're right.

This has nothing to do with stats, as in the numbers associated with the physical and mental capabilities of the characters.

I'm getting confused now. What's your issue then?

Ukyo Kodachi doesn't make this. It's not stated anywhere, anyway.

Doesn't matter. Databooks don't need the author's mention to be true, do they?

They are supposed to mean the same thing in this scenario, they are supposed to be calculating how smart the character is. Which the failed horribly.

No, I'm not sure, but I agree, they seem ridiculous. But does that matter in an objective sense? I don't think so.

I would also dismiss them if I succumbed to subjectivity, you know. I just don't feel like disagreeing with what I don't really know anything about.

And we haven't seen Adult Konohamaru fight, so we don't really know what we're talking about. Until then, it's best not to be loquacious about it.

So basically what your saying is that you have no actual explanation as why the stats make sense? In what context would any of those characters show better physical or mental feats than Sasuke, of all people?

Pretty much.
I don't wanna argue against the author tho.

Can you honestly say that is possible?

Considering how Boruto is so much different from Naruto, I mean, Chojuro now can suddenly take on someone as strong as Momoshiki where EMS Sasuke / KCM Naruto would've completely failed in terms of the power-scaling of Naruto, yes, that is possible.

Konohamaru will never be seen smarter than Sasuke, never. No amount of ass-pull or feats will correlate this, especially with Sasuke's screen time, strategy, and other usages of intelligence over the course of the story.

Author doesn't care tho. If we wants to, he can make Konohamaru smarter, no matter how preposterous that seems. We'll just have to deal with it, in the unlikely event it happens.

Wrong in every level. If you think intelligence played a prominent role in a few fights, then you clearly haven't been reading the Manga at all.

However, it hasn't gotten more attention than smarts and tactics, which are why Naruto can win, regardless of how infinitesimally intelligent he is.

What you've seen has mostly been smarts and tactics, from Sasuke especially. Intelligence has never really been his department, IMO.

This is even counting the fact that Shikamaru has had more fights indicating intelligence over brute strength, than anyone else, but what-ever.

Exactly. Shikamaru used intelligence against Hidan.

Intelligence could like knowing all your opponent's ninjutsu or having expert knowledge on something. Like Sakura's intelligence is based around her extensive knowledge of Medical Ninjutsu and various other things. That's why Tsunade's intelligence is also rated so high. Although you would think Sasuke
would be far more intelligent now since he has alien knowledge :yeah. Anyway, I do honestly find the Databook to be full of erroneousness. However, they're still legit, and that trumps any opinion you can formulate.

Itachi is another character that had immense intelligence, and he knew shit like Legendary Weapons where you could find them. He also know tons of shit about Orochimaru's hideout, etc. And Sakura has demonstrated something of that sort in Pt.2 if I remember correctly, but I dunno.

Doesn't matter to me. You can try to use these stats but they'll never make sense under the context of feats displayed in the Manga.

Then you'll be dearly surprised when they reflect in the Manga.

 

[lndra]

Logic doesn't matter in the Anime community. It never did.

Says who?

> Legit source
> Approved by author

You said Ukyo Kodachi made this, and he doesn't. I don't care for your excuses on this matter. Whether they are approved or not isn't my concern on the matter.

Also: you're basically saying someone who's working on the story and knows it better than you do could be wrong, and you're right.
I'm getting confused now. What's your issue then?

I'm talking about the 'STATS' -- I mean do I really have to point out what's wrong with them?

Have I not discussed the issue already? Wtf :lol

Doesn't matter. Databooks don't need the author's mention to be true, do they?

If they don't correlate with the story, then they become questionable. Kishimoto's DB never had to be re-evulated in this case, whereas the VB have had a negative feedback since Team 7 was introduced.

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No, I'm not sure, but I agree, they seem ridiculous. But does that matter in an objective sense? I don't think so.

There's nothing objective about the stats being bad. They are ass.

I would also dismiss them if I succumbed to subjectivity, you know. I just don't feel like disagreeing with what I don't really know anything about.

You don't really need to know anything about the series to come to a conclusion if Konohamaru/Moegi can outperform Demi-Gods and a Neo-Sanin. Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke are >>>> Those two, yet the stats beg to differ.

Can you take that seriously?

And we haven't seen Adult Konohamaru fight, so we don't really know what we're talking about. Until then, it's best not to be loquacious about it.

Do you honestly think Adult Konohamaru, who is fighting Ao, is going to compare to Sasuke vs. all of his opponents? Ao is a high Jonin at best, mind us.

Author doesn't care tho. If we wants to, he can make Konohamaru smarter, no matter how preposterous that seems. We'll just have to deal with it, in the unlikely event it happens.

Author does care though. Because no where has Sasuke been seen in a worse light than Konohamaru.

The stats are just weird.

However, it hasn't gotten more attention than smarts and tactics, which are why Naruto can win, regardless of how infinitesimally intelligent he is.

Naruto is incredibly tactical when he wants to be.

What you've seen has mostly been smarts and tactics, from Sasuke especially. Intelligence has never really been his department, IMO.

Gonna repost this because I just can't get into this right now:

I am just gonna copy-paste my post from another thread here:

I am going to add a few as well:

Sasuke was the person to percieve the intentions of the Chunin exams perfectly:

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Orochimaru's path was flawlessly seen by Sasuke along with an additional route where he trapped him; something Orochimaru himself didn't see, thus, the smartest Sanin was fooled by a 12 year old boy:

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He was so impressed that he praised him in front of Anko and basically called her and all the ninjas his age worthless:

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He learnt and perfected Kunai usage on his own. He is shown using the Kunai with the sole of his Sandal and defeating the enemy by creating a distraction:

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Sasuke mastered Lee's weightless speed (he hadn't even seen that) and Chidori in a mere month when it took Gai and Lee years to master that. It led Lee to comment that Sasuke is a "Genius":

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Shikamaru: He considered him superior in every aspect because of Sasuke's performance in the academy:

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Haku: Sasuke figured out his technique completely and forced out his Sharingan, which led Haku to not only comment that Sasuke is a prodigy, but he used Naruto as bait to remove him as quickly out of the equation as possible:

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Exams' Performance: Sasuke was the first student (Shikamaru and Neji were also in the hall) to figure out that "cheating" was the purpose of the test along with an insightful commentenary on their initial training as Shinobis:

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Sharingan Usage: When he unleashed the full power of the Sharingan, it shocked Gai (he compared him to Kakashi; a mere boy) and Kakashi himself. Mind you, the training required for mastering such Taijutsu movement requires years of experience, which Sasuke achieved in a few weeks:

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Deidara: He was five steps ahead of Deidara the whole time:

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Lured the guy, cut off his wings and landed the Shurikens in his arms with nothing but skill and cunning - heck, he was doing all that while operating Fuma Shuriken the whole time:

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He starts using his Shurikenjutsu here by fooling Deidara into taking a hit and drawing him near:

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He avoids the mines and the coming C2 bomb while trying to catch Deidara:

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Then he jumps up, flies with his one wing and uses Chidori spear to cut off the wing ... all the time whilst still operating his Fuma Shuriken and then pins Deidara down:

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Deidara confirms that those were the same fuma-shurikens.

Mind you, Deidara is far from an idiot. He was also accompanied by Tobi in laying the bombs in the ground. He figured out Gaara's sand gourd techniques (something he had no intel on) in a heartbeat and absolutely humiliated him on his own home turf without the use of C1, C2 and C4 bombs. He only used homing birds on him and used a C3 bird on the village to make him deplete chakra. Gaara got punked:

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Furthermore, he single-handedly defeated Isobou (three tails):

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Chee and Raikage: Chee was taken out by a simple 3Tomoe Genjutsu and Sasuke survived all of Raikage's assaults, which no one had done before. Basically, he used distraction to take out Chee and carry out a frontal assault on Raikage. Chee called him a "rare Genius, as despite being a Genjutsu expert and aided by Darui, he was unable to move:

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Danzo: He figured out Izanagi right at the start of the battle; just from a single gesture of Danzo checking his eye, which is why he went at him hard and fast. This is something Obito realized quite later on. And the way he confirmed it from Danzo was so impish and clever:

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Sasuke had figured out right from the start that good, hard attacks would end the fight as it was a matter of lasting long in battle:

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He fooled Danzo at the end through a simple Genjutsu; something which he tested before by using the image of Itachi:

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Even Itachi was surprised that Sasuke survived the encounter, when he hardly knew that Sasuke defeated Izanagi about a dozen times:

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Another interesting factor is how quick Sasuke was to counter Baku's suction, while Danzo was attacking him. He nullifed the summon and made Danzo waste another one of his eyes in an instant:

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FuinJutsus Counter and a new Usage: Sasuke had only seen the Fuinjutsu only once in his childhood, when Kakashi used it on him to contain the cursed seal. Going by Orochimaru's statement, Kakashi had been trying for a while to master it. Sasuke mastered the seal through memory alone, and not only that, used a Jutsu to reverse it and draw Orochimaru out as well. That's one hell of an intelligence feat, given that Sasuke has little to no knowledge on Fuinjutsu:

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Limbo Analysis: He saw and interacted with Limbo once and broke down its workings completely and came up with an entire strategy on the spot that surprised Madara:

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Kabuto: Itachi would never have been able to prepare Izanami and defeat Kabuto without Sasuke's clever thinking. It was a joint effort:

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CC is a testament of a Ninja's skill and intelligence along with the abilities he creates, how he uses them and how effective their usage is. Sasuke's CC is exceptional in the manga. In fact, it is unparalleled as Kurama stated by comparing it to the Sage - Copt-pasted stuff from my thread:

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Chakra Control:

In layman manga terms, Chakra Control (CC) is just that, control over chakra; how it's regulated, how it's kneaded and how it is turned into a technique. Lack of control leads to unrefined techniques, over-usage of chakra and lack of mastery over the said tech.

These images are basically the gist of it:

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Sasuke's incomparable Chakra Control:

As you can see, it's simple. Now we come to the main topic at hand that concerns Sasuke's much talked about a feat that puts him on the same pedestal as Sage of the Six paths. Time for a little history lesson:

This is what the Sage accomplished:

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Basically, what the Sage did was use a highly advanced version of Izanagi (Uchihas use the watered down version to simply "erase the results") or The Creation of all Things (COAT) through Yin/Yang elemental power and ripped the chakra into nine pieces, gave it shape and breathed life into it and sealed the Mezo. Mind you, it’s his most renowned and advanced feat!

Now, Sasuke faced a huge bump in the road to take a hard ride out of Konoha's moist juncture that awaited him with a wide and wanton, open stance; he didn't have a Mezo! How did he get around it? He went beyond Perfect Susanoo (the final, stabilized version of Complete Susanoo) by molding it into a container.

Before I proceed, it's important to note that Susanoo itself requires an immense amount of CC. This can be easily ascertained by Itachi's shock at Sasuke's use of Susanoo and Madara outright stating that PS is only achieved through the stabilization of Complete Susanoo's Chakra; that itself is a mountainous structure to maintain, hold and control, let alone mold and perfect it further into what Sasuke did:

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For the Bijuus, he pulled out the chakra and amalgamated it perfectly into PS molded into a Mezo structure to feed chakra to his Raiton techs (I will get to this point later). Now, the Sage performed COAT. Sasuke performed the opposite of COAT, but with additional control. This is what Kurama stated in that infamous scene (VIZ Translation, courtesy of my boi, Immortal):

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It isn't far-fetched to assume that "vessel for Susanoo" means exactly that; Sasuke became a kind of pseudo-Jubi-Jin, only without the beasts merged in the manner within the Mezo. As a Jubi Jin is a vessel for the Mezo/Jubi. He didn't pull out their complete chakra either. Who knows what he could have accomplished had he done it. But, we will never know … Curses!

Notice, in the second scan, how Sasuke is "simultaneously" not only performing the outer-path pull, but is also kneading, controlling and performing the exact opposite of COAT, but, he is molding his PS to turn into a Mezo as well. That is FOUR tasks in one go. FOUR complex tasks, that not only involve Bijuu chakra but also Rinnegan control and his own chakra control; all to perform a task that is the opposite of COAT!

But, is that all? No. That brings us to the main argument: Sasuke's Chakra Control is something else. Why? Look closely at these scans; coloured and regular:

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What do you see? That's right, that is ALL the merged Bijuu chakra turned into Raiton! All of it. You can easily see the entire Bijuu Chakra, that isn't merged with Mezo-PS in any manner, flowing out of the exposed structures as raw Raiton in all the scans. It's easy to spot as it's forked like Lightning:

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And that's not all; he created a Raiton Sword as well! The scene where he smashed the dull Bunshin down was recreated perfectly in the anime!

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But, does this argument end here? No. Sasuke performed teleportation (as shown in the scan above where he smashed the Bunshin down), Taijutsu and ... Raiton Senbon AND created a whole bow and an arrow (Indra's Arrow) from the same structure: that is several uses of exponentially advanced Physical AND Spatial manipulation/Re-composition seen in the entire manga bar none!

This is what Kakashi states about the arduous task, as once you hand over a kneaded chakra, what's left in the task at hand? Nothing at all other than the tiny end of the monkey's tail; you let the monkey get away!

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As Sasuke is doing all that (and all by himself, unlike a certain someone who receives kneaded chakra after every tiny stumble and during every small task) WHILST maintaining PS-Mezo; a task that was performed in the direct opposition of COAT!

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Thus, Sasuke physically composed the ENTIRE Bijuu chakra into Raiton. Then, he Spatially composed it to determine its shape, scope and strength. He did three Spatial compositions for IA: converted the sword into the end of the bow, create the string of Raiton (and how PRECISE that had to be to launch it at just the right speed; you have to read on bows to even realize the magnitude of this feat) and the Arrow itself. And I am not even counting those Senbons. That’s FOUR complex tasks (Seven if I count shifting chakra management) on CC alone and without the handout of "Universal Grasp of all things; an auto-pilot-Chakra-Control-Mode." Believe it, folks!

That is a hell lot of chakra to manage, control perfectly and launch a devastating attack that overpowered, not one, but two Futon-based attacks. Something Ration is meant to accomplish if it's focused:

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So, yes, Sasuke's CC really is on a level that remains, and will always remain, untouched.

Heck, how many varients has he made when no one taught him those? 9 in total if Chidori is counted? Furthermore, Sasuke is the only other person (3rd Raikage is the other one) to make his Chidori sharper by bringing the focus down to just two fingers. One is hell-stab. Heck, he sharpened the focus by using using futher shape transformation as well as he's using a spear:

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Kirin: Sasuke is the only person to control a natural phenomenon and shape it like people shape Chakra. The only person in the entire manga. That is a feat that no one has bar Kaguya who actually mixes her chakra with the surrounding to affect it. Sasuke simply turns his body into a rod and then shapes the lightnining that falls down onto him like a Dragon. This feat is unmatched in the manga. Period. He controls and shapes all the Lightning in a 60K feet cloud with one hand. One hand, ******es. One hand:

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Forming a technique via CC requires a change in chakra form and nature. For instance, Chidori is created by changing the chakra nature to Raiton, then its form is changed to discharge it, along with setting its "range of action" and "power level." Mind you, Sasuke mastered Chidori in a single month along with Lee's "one gate / weightless speed (something he hadn't even seen)," when it requires a "massive amount of time" and "incredible talent" to learn such a tech alone:

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Sasuke's masterful use of Kenjutsu (you cannot even count the number of Jounin and Chunin class ninjas he has defeated; it's literally over a thousand men) and he defeated them without losing a drop of blood and taking them out through non-lethal means, which makes this Kenjutsu-feat unsurpassed in the whole manga. This, along with Sasuke's accelerated, abnormal progress in mere 2.5 years, made Orochimaru to comment that "Sasuke's genius surpassed his own when he was his age":

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Senjutsu:
Cursed Seal's (CS) soruce of power is Senjutsu, and Sasuke mastered it when he took it out against Naruto. What was that ... only the fourth time?

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Sasuke is also extremely perceptive and cunning. For instance, he saw right through Sakura's pathetic little ruse:

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He gave Danzo a false sense of security and got him through Karin; he didn't even get a chance to use Izanagi. He basically punked a man repeatedly who had leading Root for decades:

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At the end, he chose to increase the radius and destructive nature of the blast by using Enton and Chidori side by side, in a single hand. Who has held two techs side by side, in a single hand, without combining them? No one. Heck, he coated Enton with it without combining it:

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I can even list that one where Sasuke was the quickest to figure out Obito's ability that his attack "phases" through. But, that would be putting more shit over the already shitted-on so-called Genuises of the manga like Kakashi, Minato and Shikamaru, heh. And I have missed quite a few.

Sakura maybe intelligent, but she's shit compared to Sasuke. :kd:

Exactly. Shikamaru used intelligence against Hidan.

In all of his matches.

Then you'll be dearly surprised when they reflect in the Manga.

Doesn't really matter to me because Naruto can beat 99.9% of characters he's not as smart as. Even matched out Sasuke who is clearly smarter than him too.

While they effect the match, they aren't a big necessity. Most of the smarter characters in the series aren't the strongest, case in point Shikamaru. Power is power. There's multiple sides to every story, just like how there are multiple variables to who decides a victor.

In Naruto's case, brains doesn't always beat brawn, but they do help in some cases.

Despite Shikamaru's high IQ, he would never be able to stop anyone above his reach. Not unless he had major prep, and God's will. Haha.