[Discussion] Sarada, Rinnegan & Revelation

[valandil988]

Well I can hear the screams of frustration and rage from the SasuSaku camp over the hill right about now. I have to say I was laughing my ass off all the way through the last pages of the manga there.

There really is no god when it comes to Sakura eh? Talk about treated like total dirt, she spends most of her post war life taking care of Sasuke & Karin's kid....she is more like dumped version of Tsunade where Dan just buggered off with some other woman lol.

Just so I can say it now, I told you so, I was one of those people that first thought Sarada was Karin's kid....

Anyway on with a few facts that seem to be escaping people:

1 The Rinnegan, Sarada can never awaken it. Fact. In order of awaken the Rinnegan you don't just need the "Uchiha" and "Senju DNA" you need the chakra of Asura and Indra of which Sarada has neither. The DNA she needs would be Sasuke and Naruto's or Hashirama and Madara's. Its not Senju or Uchiha as such, its the individual incarnations of Asura and Indra that hold the secrets to awakening that particular eye.

2. Sarada & the MS, If Sarada ever gains the MS which I doubt it btw, she will, like Obito, be able to use it for extended periods of time without strain or damage (Due to Uzumaki chakra and body). Eventually she would need to find new eyes but it would be years down the line. Besides there isn't enough war or combat around for Sarada to ever use up her eyes completely.

Anyway I will continue tittering at all the butt hurt comments coming out of NBase for the rest of the day *_*

 

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Sasuke choking Sakura/her fainting problem(after giving Obito chakra)made Sakura not sterile but made her incapable of carrying a baby and Karin carried Sarada for them, which is why Sarada was not born in a leaf hospital. Thread solo'd draw wins

 

[valandil988]

Sasuke choking Sakura/her fainting problem(after giving Obito chakra)made Sakura not sterile but made her incapable of carrying a baby and Karin carried Sarada for them, which is why Sarada was not born in a leaf hospital. Thread solo'd draw wins

.....Solo'd how exactly?? You just confirmed manga facts....Carrying a baby for someone doesn't make it your baby, the DNA is still the parents...none of the carrier gets into the child lol.

 

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.....Solo'd how exactly?? You just confirmed manga facts....Carrying a baby for someone doesn't make it your baby, the DNA is still the parents...none of the carrier gets into the child lol.

I'm just a salty SS fan, I've accepted Karin is the mother, but I won't be surprised at all if some twist is there and it turns out to be Sakura's

 

[valandil988]

I'm just a salty SS fan, I've accepted Karin is the mother, but I won't be surprised at all if some twist is there and it turns out to be Sakura's

Who says Sakura needs to be related to be the mother? There a tons of adopted kids out there that consider their parents to be exactly what it says on the tin. If she loves Sasuke isn't that enough?

Its still pretty shit of Sasuke not to give Sakura a kid as well though. Her genisis rebirth could have played a part in making her unfit for children....it does basically make you older...

 

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Who says Sakura needs to be related to be the mother? There a tons of adopted kids out there that consider their parents to be exactly what it says on the tin. If she loves Sasuke isn't that enough?

Its still pretty shit of Sasuke not to give Sakura a kid as well though. Her genisis rebirth could have played a part in making her unfit for children....it does basically make you older...

I'm gonna just stick with my theory that Karin gave birth to Sarada and kept her umbilical cord and that's what suigetsu used on the test.

 

[valandil988]

I'm gonna just stick with my theory that Karin gave birth to Sarada and kept her umbilical cord and that's what suigetsu used on the test.

The question becomes why would Karin abandon her own kid? You don't forget pushing a kid out of your nether regions in a hurry lol. It doesn't sound like she is missing or gone, shes only at another base...

 

[Amazeballs]

I think Sarada is a test tube baby created by Oro. I don't think Karin and Sasuke ever banged.

 

[VongolaX]

1 The Rinnegan, Sarada can never awaken it. Fact. In order of awaken the Rinnegan you don't just need the "Uchiha" and "Senju DNA" you need the chakra of Asura and Indra of which Sarada has neither. The DNA she needs would be Sasuke and Naruto's or Hashirama and Madara's. Its not Senju or Uchiha as such, its the individual incarnations of Asura and Indra that hold the secrets to awakening that particular eye.

Sarada could have Indra's chakra, she is Sasuke's daughter.
It's a possiblility.

2. Sarada & the MS, If Sarada ever gains the MS which I doubt it btw, she will, like Obito, be able to use it for extended periods of time without strain or damage (Due to Uzumaki chakra and body). Eventually she would need to find new eyes but it would be years down the line. Besides there isn't enough war or combat around for Sarada to ever use up her eyes completely.

Anyway I will continue tittering at all the butt hurt comments coming out of NBase for the rest of the day *_*

Obito was implanted not only with senju cells(which prevents deterioation) but with the same chakra rods that came from Gedo mazou. He can use as much Gedo chakra as he wants.
Sarada's uzamaki trait can't compete with Gedo mazou so her MS would deteriote much faster but hopefully she'll awaken a new doujustu by then.
She's gonna be boruto's rival and the new threat is gonna be stronger than Kaguya (apparently). Sarada's gonna need updates fast but not this soon.

 

[valandil988]

Sarada could have Indra's chakra, she is Sasuke's daughter.
It's a possiblility.

Not really, you don't pass chakra down to your kids, its more or less unique with every user (Unless you are a Transmigration). Yes you can have bloodline limits but they allow users to create their own unique chakra of that already unique type (within a clan). Aka Sarada can unlock the Sharingan and an MS, but that doesn't mean her chakra will be the same or even as remotely potent as Sasuke's own, and neither will her MS be a copy of Sasuke's.

The basic truth is as Kishi wrote it is that in order to have either Indra or Asura's chakra you need either their undiluted DNA or you need to be a transmigration yourself. Its not "one" part of their DNA that gives them Indra or Asura's powers its "ALL" of it, it all fits together like a jigsaw puzzle, its great if like Sarada you have one part of it (Half) but its still not the full piece. Ergo she won't have the chakra potency that comes with being Indra's new transmigration.

Obito was implanted not only with senju cells(which prevents deterioation) but with the same chakra rods that came from Gedo mazou. He can use as much Gedo chakra as he wants.
Sarada's uzamaki trait can't compete with Gedo mazou so her MS would deteriote much faster but hopefully she'll awaken a new doujustu by then.
She's gonna be boruto's rival and the new threat is gonna be stronger than Kaguya (apparently). Sarada's gonna need updates fast but not this soon.

It was never stated that Obito could use the Gedo Chakra when away from the Gedo itself. There are limits to transmission. True the Gedo outstrips Uzumaki vitality, but don't underestimate it, even if Sarada is a pale imitation of the Sage of Six paths her body will be superior to a normal Uchiha. That means MS use will be far easier on her body and eyes...

 

[VongolaX]

Not really, you don't pass chakra down to your kids, its more or less unique with every user (Unless you are a Transmigration). Yes you can have bloodline limits but they allow users to create their own unique chakra of that already unique type (within a clan). Aka Sarada can unlock the Sharingan and an MS, but that doesn't mean her chakra will be the same or even as remotely potent as Sasuke's own, and neither will her MS be a copy of Sasuke's.

The basic truth is as Kishi wrote it is that in order to have either Indra or Asura's chakra you need either their undiluted DNA or you need to be a transmigration yourself. Its not "one" part of their DNA that gives them Indra or Asura's powers its "ALL" of it, it all fits together like a jigsaw puzzle, its great if like Sarada you have one part of it (Half) but its still not the full piece. Ergo she won't have the chakra potency that comes with being Indra's new transmigration.

Madara gained Hagoromoo chakra through genetic/DNA transplant. Ashura's chakra was in a incarnate's DNA, so what about Sarada who is genetically connected to Indras' incarnates chakra (Sasuke)

It's a plausible possibility don't you agree?

It was never stated that Obito could use the Gedo Chakra when away from the Gedo itself. There are limits to transmission. True the Gedo outstrips Uzumaki vitality, but don't underestimate it, even if Sarada is a pale imitation of the Sage of Six paths her body will be superior to a normal Uchiha. That means MS use will be far easier on her body and eyes...

Obito's body is coated in chakra rods:

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Since the mazou is the source of those chakra rods, Obito can relay chakra from him to the statue and vice versa just like Nagato did with his six path bodies.
I agree with the Sarada part to a certain degree, but her uzamaki traits will just make it easier on her body. Her eyes should go away like kind of like an uchiha's because it's spiritual energy that's being used.

 

[UnknownJin]

wow.... didnt even read

 

[valandil988]

Madara gained Hagoromoo chakra through genetic/DNA transplant. Ashura's chakra was in a incarnate's DNA, so what about Sarada who is genetically connected to Indras' incarnates chakra (Sasuke)

It's a plausible possibility don't you agree?

I'm afraid not. Indra's chakra is produced by the entire body, aka the undiluted DNA. Sarada only has half of Sasuke's genetics. Indra's unique chakra is subject to its hosts complete DNA, it also has to be a direct sample. The Hashirama clones aren't good enough to for that, they were never inhabited by Asura's chakra so while they might have all the coded structure right it lacks the direct sample of chakra. Madara gained his Rinnegan from using a direct sample of the original Hashirama, that sample contained small amounts of Asura's chakra.

Essentially, even although Sarada shares half the structural makeup of Sasuke in order to gain a part of Indra's chakra she would literally need to get a sample of Sasuke's own body and graft it into herself. Like say a kidney or eyes for example. The eyes are quite doable considering.

Understand how this works now? Its not just a simple case of direct descendants, if that was true then Hashirama's children would have been monsters. They weren't and even Tsunade isn't that impressive.

Don't get me wrong, they have their bloodlines, potent chakra and eyes, but no where near on the level of a Transmigration. To breach into that level, you need a direct sample.

Obito's body is coated in chakra rods:

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Since the mazou is the source of those chakra rods, Obito can relay chakra from him to the statue and vice versa just like Nagato did with his six path bodies.

True however Nagato also needed to be high up and close by to use his paths. Usually involving some level of line of sight. If Obito is far far away he can't use that particular powerup. Obito for the vast majority of his time when he was using his MS was no where near the Mazo and hence couldn't pull chakra from it. That means its his Hashirama goo that maintained his eyesight for as long as it did.

 

[VongolaX]

I'm afraid not. Indra's chakra is produced by the entire body, aka the undiluted DNA. Sarada only has half of Sasuke's genetics. Indra's unique chakra is subject to its hosts complete DNA, it also has to be a direct sample. The Hashirama clones aren't good enough to for that, they were never inhabited by Asura's chakra so while they might have all the coded structure right it lacks the direct sample of chakra. Madara gained his Rinnegan from using a direct sample of the original Hashirama, that sample contained small amounts of Asura's chakra.

Essentially, even although Sarada shares half the structural makeup of Sasuke in order to gain a part of Indra's chakra she would literally need to get a sample of Sasuke's own body and graft it into herself. Like say a kidney or eyes for example. The eyes are quite doable considering.

Understand how this works now? Its not just a simple case of direct descendants, if that was true then Hashirama's children would have been monsters. They weren't and even Tsunade isn't that impressive.

Don't get me wrong, they have their bloodlines, potent chakra and eyes, but no where near on the level of a Transmigration. To breach into that level, you need a direct sample.

I thought all she needed Ashura's chakra.
I mean Indra inherited his fathers chakra and deployed PS without EMS/rinnegan:

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I figured Sarada would work the same but, oh well.
I'll do more research

True however Nagato also needed to be high up and close by to use his paths. Usually involving some level of line of sight. If Obito is far far away he can't use that particular powerup. Obito for the vast majority of his time when he was using his MS was no where near the Mazo and hence couldn't pull chakra from it. That means its his Hashirama goo that maintained his eyesight for as long as it did.

Obito's kamui transfer allows him to be everywhere at any given time. He already marked Gedo mazou.
Anything he marked can be used to his leisure:

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Just like how he's able to use Gedo mazou's for strength:

Here he uses it connected to Gedo mazou:

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Here's him using it to blocking a sword slash without getting cut in half like white zetsu or Danzo when fighting Sasuke:

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How else could he spam ms and enslave perfect jinchuuriks without using the statue?

Hashirama's cells can't do all of this.

 

[valandil988]

I thought all she needed Ashura's chakra.
I mean Indra inherited his fathers chakra and deployed PS without EMS/rinnegan:

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I figured Sarada would work the same but, oh well.
I'll do more research

No that was in the case of the Sage of Six paths, his power came more or less directly from his genetic make up being the direct son of the shinju. Asura and Indra didn't inherit "HIS" chakra as such, its more they inherited his capacity to make that "super" chakra. It wasn't literally the sages own chakra. Their chakra is unique to them just as the sages is unique to himself.

When mixing both Indra and Asura's chakra it creates a chakra very close to the Sages original chakra. However that doesn't mean its literally the same. Get what I'm saying? Everyone produces their own unique chakra, whether it resembles the parents is quite possible, for it to be the same as person's own from the past requires something a little more special. Aka transmigration which allows a host to produce chakra far closer in nature to that past (Indra Asura) person than would normally be possible.

Sarada may indeed have potent chakra of her own but it won't be the same as Sasuke's own transmigrated chakra which is directly linked to Indra. In order for Sarada to have that particular chakra she would need to be a transmigrant herself. Which its pretty obvious she isn't.

The Uchiha reflect Indra, but they don't have his chakra understand? They can produce a chakra LIKE his but usually has no where near the same potency. Its like a bad copy get it?

Just as Madara took a sample of Hashirama he could have used another Senju but that would have failed. Its the chakra of Asura IN that sample that was needed. The Senju DNA is partly secondary. Its the chakra that matters.

And in order to have that chakra you either need direct samples or you need to be a transmigrant yourself.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this; Madara's Rikudo chakra wasn't the same as the Sages own Rikudo chakra. They created the same effects but they aren't exactly the same. Ie two users of fire jutsu both produce fire chakra, are the chakra's the same? No they are both the same type but have unique "signatures".

The same is true with the son or daughter of a transmigrant. Sure they might gets some benefit but it won't be enough to unlock the Rinnegan. To do that they would need direct samples of that chakra.

The tranmigrants chakra doesn't pass down through bloodlines, it leaves echos like with the Uchiha Sharingan and the Senju vitality. But its still diluted. You couldn't take a Senju and an Uchiha and breed them to produce a Rinnegan wielding child, it wouldn't work.

You literally need that "original" chakra from Indra and Asura. Its the only chakra close enough to the original to create that Rikudo chakra needed for the Rinnegan/body.

Obito's kamui transfer allows him to be everywhere at any given time. He already marked Gedo mazou.
Anything he marked can be used to his leisure:

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Just like how he's able to use Gedo mazou's for strength:

Kamui doesn't mark, you imagine the location you need to be. And no he can't be "everywhere" at any time. Its a basic point to point dimensional teleportation jutsu.

Again, he is nearby and literally connected to the Mazo using spiral zetzu.

Here he uses it connected to Gedo mazou:

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Here's him using it to blocking a sword slash without getting cut in half like white zetsu or Danzo when fighting Sasuke:

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How else could he spam ms and enslave perfect jinchuuriks without using the statue?

Hashirama's cells can't do all of this.

Blocking that sword was well within the abilities of his Senju DNA hashirama cloned half. I think you are seriously underestimating Hashirama's body here tbh. Plus blocking that sword is well within the abilities of just a normal ninja, a earthstyle body ninjutsu like Kakazu's own could do the same...

Its a well known fact that its Obito's Senju DNA that allows him to use MS easily without strain.

wow.... didnt even read

Do I hear butt hurt-ness?

 

[VongolaX]

No that was in the case of the Sage of Six paths, his power came more or less directly from his genetic make up being the direct son of the shinju. Asura and Indra didn't inherit "HIS" chakra as such, its more they inherited his capacity to make that "super" chakra. It wasn't literally the sages own chakra. Their chakra is unique to them just as the sages is unique to himself.

When mixing both Indra and Asura's chakra it creates a chakra very close to the Sages original chakra. However that doesn't mean its literally the same. Get what I'm saying? Everyone produces their own unique chakra, whether it resembles the parents is quite possible, for it to be the same as person's own from the past requires something a little more special. Aka transmigration which allows a host to produce chakra far closer in nature to that past (Indra Asura) person than would normally be possible.

Sarada may indeed have potent chakra of her own but it won't be the same as Sasuke's own transmigrated chakra which is directly linked to Indra. In order for Sarada to have that particular chakra she would need to be a transmigrant herself. Which its pretty obvious she isn't.

The Uchiha reflect Indra, but they don't have his chakra understand? They can produce a chakra LIKE his but usually has no where near the same potency. Its like a bad copy get it?

Just as Madara took a sample of Hashirama he could have used another Senju but that would have failed. Its the chakra of Asura IN that sample that was needed. The Senju DNA is partly secondary. Its the chakra that matters.

And in order to have that chakra you either need direct samples or you need to be a transmigrant yourself.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this; Madara's Rikudo chakra wasn't the same as the Sages own Rikudo chakra. They created the same effects but they aren't exactly the same. Ie two users of fire jutsu both produce fire chakra, are the chakra's the same? No they are both the same type but have unique "signatures".

The same is true with the son or daughter of a transmigrant. Sure they might gets some benefit but it won't be enough to unlock the Rinnegan. To do that they would need direct samples of that chakra.

The tranmigrants chakra doesn't pass down through bloodlines, it leaves echos like with the Uchiha Sharingan and the Senju vitality. But its still diluted. You couldn't take a Senju and an Uchiha and breed them to produce a Rinnegan wielding child, it wouldn't work.

You literally need that "original" chakra from Indra and Asura. Its the only chakra close enough to the original to create that Rikudo chakra needed for the Rinnegan/body.

Hmm, there's a lot of terms here being misunderstood.
Because what in saying is that Indra May inherited his fathers chakra genetically doesn't mean that he will awaken the rinnegan. Kind of like how DMS Obito/Kakashi had rikudou chakra yet they can't awaken the rinnegan.
I'm not saying uchiha and senju DNA awakens the rinnegan, I'm saying that uchiha and senju's are the only clan genetically selected to have Indra and Ashura's chakra in one of their members. Those selective few are the incarnates.
So to gain Hagoromoo's chakra you would need to have the DNA of the incarnates.

How about you make a thread on this?
See what other people think too.

Kamui doesn't mark, you imagine the location you need to be. And no he can't be "everywhere" at any time. Its a basic point to point dimensional teleportation jutsu.

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Again, he is nearby and literally connected to the Mazo using spiral zetzu.

Ya, Spiral zetsu draw energy by connecting to the Gedo to draw strength using mokuton.
With the rods it can be done wirelessly, he just needs to be near the staue.

Blocking that sword was well within the abilities of his Senju DNA hashirama cloned half. I think you are seriously underestimating Hashirama's body here tbh. Plus blocking that sword is well within the abilities of just a normal ninja, a earthstyle body ninjutsu like Kakazu's own could do the same...

Its a well known fact that its Obito's Senju DNA that allows him to use MS easily without strain.

Kakazu used diamond morph's technique to turn his skin hard. Nobody else but him can use that earth style technique.
Hashirama's cells increase healing and growing of limbs.
It cannot give you strength to block a sword like that, this senju cell users couldn't block a simple sword attack:

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White Zetsu's got bisected by Sasuke's sword and Yamato was pinned down by Hebi Sasuke with his sword.

Hashirama cells don't increase your strength like that otherwise Danzo and white zetsu would of one armed Sasuke's sword. Even Madara's arm got pierced by Sasuke's sword.

Hashirama cells does slow down the process but for the powerful genjustu use on top of kamui spam?
Only the statue can allow that:

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[valandil988]

Hmm, there's a lot of terms here being misunderstood.
Because what in saying is that Indra May inherited his fathers chakra genetically doesn't mean that he will awaken the rinnegan. Kind of like how DMS Obito/Kakashi had rikudou chakra yet they can't awaken the rinnegan.
I'm not saying uchiha and senju DNA awakens the rinnegan, I'm saying that uchiha and senju's are the only clan genetically selected to have Indra and Ashura's chakra in one of their members. Those selective few are the incarnates.
So to gain Hagoromoo's chakra you would need to have the DNA of the incarnates.

How about you make a thread on this?
See what other people think too.

Its a combination of all four ingredients is what I'm saying ie:

(Asura Chakra + Indra Chakra) + (Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA) = Rikudou Chakra + Rinnegan

Asura & Indra's Chakra

You need to be a transmigration to get it or you need a direct sample from said Transmigration, the same applies to Indra.

Senju Uchiha DNA

You just need the samples, or you need to be born one or the other.

If you just had Senju and Uchiha DNA you would be like Obito, aka you would be stronger than any Uchiha but you would have exactly zero chance in awakening the Rinnegan.

TBH I'm not even sure you need Uchiha or Senju DNA at all, Kakashi proved that with Obito gifting him chakra he gained the Sharingan for a limited time alongside all of its powers. To make it permanent however Kakashi would have needed parts of Obito inside him to keep producing that brand of chakra. Get me?


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Currently Sarada has only Uchiha DNA, she doesn't have Indra's chakra. The basic point here is that Rikudou chakra is passed on in a more complicated way, it only dilutes unless it is passed directly using a transmigration.

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Kakashi was given subpar Rikudou chakra from Obito which was incomplete. Aka it was "close" to being the same chakra that Hagaromo had but it was several levels inferior in quality. Just take a look at the difference in appearance between Obito and Madara.

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Ya, Spiral zetsu draw energy by connecting to the Gedo to draw strength using mokuton.
With the rods it can be done wirelessly, he just needs to be near the staue.

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I would have to say you are partly right, but the range for that wireless transfer is as I said limited. Nagato a wielder of the Rinnegan could only transmit a few kilometers. Obito could not have matched that feat early on, like when he blocked that blade.

Again that statement in the manga about Obito "marking" a place....jeez Kishi really loves pulling crap out of his ass. 700 chapters and only in the last 20 does he basically make Kamui like the Hiraishin.... The whole point of Kamui was that it didn't need marks, that's why it was so dangerous.

Kakazu used diamond morph's technique to turn his skin hard. Nobody else but him can use that earth style technique.
Hashirama's cells increase healing and growing of limbs.
It cannot give you strength to block a sword like that, this senju cell users couldn't block a simple sword attack:

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White Zetsu's got bisected by Sasuke's sword and Yamato was pinned down by Hebi Sasuke with his sword.

Hashirama cells don't increase your strength like that otherwise Danzo and white zetsu would of one armed Sasuke's sword. Even Madara's arm got pierced by Sasuke's sword.

There is a big difference between Danzo, Zetsu and Obito. One, Obito can actually control the Mokuton inside his own body Danzo cannot. Zetsu is also an inferior copy of Hashirama, Black zetsu however was taken by surprise by Chojuro again its subject to plot, come on the guy one shots uber Madara lol the power feats are broken as hell when it comes to thinking about BZ. Also you forget that Obito is a very skilled ninja in comparison to them, even Danzo was incapable of truly using the Mokuton.

His Senju DNA half allows Obito to summon Mokuton, that has at its highest levels the ability to stop Bijudama, whats a sword in comparison to that?

At no point is it mentioned that Kakazu has a unique technique with regards to his earthstyle technique, much like the lightning cloak of the Raikage its a technique I imagine many Iwa Nin would try to cultivate, hence the need for techniques like Chidori when a simple Kunai would be enough. Then again that's purely hypothesis. Still its never mentioned that its a technique that only Kakazu can do.

My point is that you don't need the Mazo to block swords with your Hashirama cloned body parts lol. Using hardened wood at select points would allow Obito to do the same. Also wood doesn't equal Mokuton (Its basically the wood of the Shinju), they are rather different if your thinking swords should smash it lol.

As for Yamato, his Mokuton seems to be completely inferior to Hashirama's and the Shinju on scale and potency. His ability to suppress the kyuubi was also dependent on Hashirama's chakra inside the necklace.

The fact that his body is not a true clone and is more a child that has been given the "Mokuton" elemental nature, he doesn't exibt any of the other abilities Hashirama had only the ability to mold earth and water together. Hence I wouldn't really accept Yamato alongside Danzo or Zetsu.

Hashirama cells does slow down the process but for the powerful genjustu use on top of kamui spam?
Only the statue can allow that:

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That scan only says you need the Mazo for Infinite tsukyomi. I'm sorry but Obito's sharingan was directly set into Hashirama zetsu cloned flesh, it has an innate healing ability as is shown several times. Again your basically saying something that's never mentioned.

 

[VongolaX]

Its a combination of all four ingredients is what I'm saying ie:

(Asura Chakra + Indra Chakra) + (Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA) = Rikudou Chakra + Rinnegan

Asura & Indra's Chakra

You need to be a transmigration to get it or you need a direct sample from said Transmigration, the same applies to Indra.

Senju Uchiha DNA

You just need the samples, or you need to be born one or the other.

If you just had Senju and Uchiha DNA you would be like Obito, aka you would be stronger than any Uchiha but you would have exactly zero chance in awakening the Rinnegan.

TBH I'm not even sure you need Uchiha or Senju DNA at all, Kakashi proved that with Obito gifting him chakra he gained the Sharingan for a limited time alongside all of its powers. To make it permanent however Kakashi would have needed parts of Obito inside him to keep producing that brand of chakra. Get me?


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Currently Sarada has only Uchiha DNA, she doesn't have Indra's chakra. The basic point here is that Rikudou chakra is passed on in a more complicated way, it only dilutes unless it is passed directly using a transmigration.

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Kakashi was given subpar Rikudou chakra from Obito which was incomplete. Aka it was "close" to being the same chakra that Hagaromo had but it was several levels inferior in quality. Just take a look at the difference in appearance between Obito and Madara.

You basically said what I've been trying to say all this time.
Uchiha inherits the sages yin chakra while senju inherits the yang.
But that's just six path chakra and not Hagoromoo's signature chakra.

I get you completely

What I'm also putting out there is that indra/Ashura's chakra can only be passed down through uchiha/senjus.
Only selected view uchiha/senju incarnates can get indra/Ashura's chakra (madara/Sasuke and Hashirama/naruto)

My implication is that since Sasuke was selected within the uchiha, shouldn't the last be Sarada by default because she's the last uchiha?

I would have to say you are partly right, but the range for that wireless transfer is as I said limited. Nagato a wielder of the Rinnegan could only transmit a few kilometers. Obito could not have matched that feat early on, like when he blocked that blade.

So I guess in dimensions then.

Again that statement in the manga about Obito "marking" a place....jeez Kishi really loves pulling crap out of his ass. 700 chapters and only in the last 20 does he basically make Kamui like the Hiraishin.... The whole point of Kamui was that it didn't need marks, that's why it was so dangerous.

It shows him marking the place, now he can eject or utilize everything he marks.
The Fuma shurikens is one example.

There is a big difference between Danzo, Zetsu and Obito. One, Obito can actually control the Mokuton inside his own body Danzo cannot. Zetsu is also an inferior copy of Hashirama, Black zetsu however was taken by surprise by Chojuro again its subject to plot, come on the guy one shots uber Madara lol the power feats are broken as hell when it comes to thinking about BZ. Also you forget that Obito is a very skilled ninja in comparison to them, even Danzo was incapable of truly using the Mokuton.

His Senju DNA half allows Obito to summon Mokuton, that has at its highest levels the ability to stop Bijudama, whats a sword in comparison to that?

At no point is it mentioned that Kakazu has a unique technique with regards to his earthstyle technique, much like the lightning cloak of the Raikage its a technique I imagine many Iwa Nin would try to cultivate, hence the need for techniques like Chidori when a simple Kunai would be enough. Then again that's purely hypothesis. Still its never mentioned that its a technique that only Kakazu can do.

My point is that you don't need the Mazo to block swords with your Hashirama cloned body parts lol. Using hardened wood at select points would allow Obito to do the same. Also wood doesn't equal Mokuton (Its basically the wood of the Shinju), they are rather different if your thinking swords should smash it lol.

As for Yamato, his Mokuton seems to be completely inferior to Hashirama's and the Shinju on scale and potency. His ability to suppress the kyuubi was also dependent on Hashirama's chakra inside the necklace.

The fact that his body is not a true clone and is more a child that has been given the "Mokuton" elemental nature, he doesn't exibt any of the other abilities Hashirama had only the ability to mold earth and water together. Hence I wouldn't really accept Yamato alongside Danzo or Zetsu.



That scan only says you need the Mazo for Infinite tsukyomi. I'm sorry but Obito's sharingan was directly set into Hashirama zetsu cloned flesh, it has an innate healing ability as is shown several times. Again your basically saying something that's never mentioned.

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^^Only Kakazu is the caster

As for the mokuton, whether it's different or not it still doesn't increase your strength like that.
Hashirama and Madara has shown no strength like that either.
Madara needs Susanoo up to show any signs of strength.
Hashirama's tissues don't give you strength to crush a large boulder and no other tissue holder shown that kind of strength either, you can ask around.

 

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You basically said what I've been trying to say all this time.
Uchiha inherits the sages yin chakra while senju inherits the yang.
But that's just six path chakra and not Hagoromoo's signature chakra.

I get you completely

What I'm also putting out there is that indra/Ashura's chakra can only be passed down through uchiha/senjus.
Only selected view uchiha/senju incarnates can get indra/Ashura's chakra (madara/Sasuke and Hashirama/naruto)

My implication is that since Sasuke was selected within the uchiha, shouldn't the last be Sarada by default because she's the last uchiha?

No, Sasuke is still alive, and we have no guarantee that the Transmigration is continuing after Naruto and Sasuke reconciled. Also its no certainty that Sarada would get Indra's chakra even if Sasuke was dead, you must remember that Indra inhabits those that reflect his nature.

Is Sarada like Indra? She doesn't seem power obsessed or jealous....

So I guess in dimensions then.


It shows him marking the place, now he can eject or utilize everything he marks.
The Fuma shurikens is one example.

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^^Only Kakazu is the caster

As for the mokuton, whether it's different or not it still doesn't increase your strength like that.
Hashirama and Madara has shown no strength like that either.
Madara needs Susanoo up to show any signs of strength.
Hashirama's tissues don't give you strength to crush a large boulder and no other tissue holder shown that kind of strength either, you can ask around.

Kakazu is not noted to be the only user, true we have only seen it from him, but the only requirements that seem to exist is the earth nature affinity which can be trained easily. My point is that its a jutsu that would likely become very common amongst Iwa ninja. Hence its not beyond thought that Obito a user of the sharingan has seen Kakazu using it and has copied it...Not beyond thought no?

Besides its not a case of strength, I would hardly consider Suigetsu a bench mark for super strength. I very much doubt he was using the power of the Mazo for something like blocking a sword, that's like using a nuclear power plant to power an electric sharpener. If I was Obito I would be embarrassed.

Your quoting guys like Madara and Hashirama in a conversation about Obito being able to block Suigetsu of all people... To regular ninja people like Hashirama and Madara would easily be able to replicate the same feats. Also ever heard of chakra enhanced strength? Its not the sole purview of the ninja like Tsunade, ever ninja does it to various degrees.

My point is that he can't use the Mazo power all the time. I don't deny that during the war that's exactly what he was using remotely. The range is specific, take when he faught Minato or Konan as an example. His arm got blown off, he was away from the mazo.

I would however argue that blocking a sword from Suigetsu with his Hashirama arm is well within the boundaries of that right side all without the Mazo.