Sannin vs Sand Siblings

[Yo pappy]

1. temari's air slice would hardly harm any summons. manda's has been shown to withstand deidara's suicide attack. katsyuu would only be sliced into tinier swarms of slugs, if that. her body withstood deva path's shinra tensei when protecting the villagers. gamabunta idk about. i don't really feel like thinking. just wanted to point out some slight errors. saying tsunade couldn't survive is ridiculous. if the attack were that strong, why isn't tayuya's head missing? the attack was up close also. and wood style could quickly regen itself. edo's are barely affected since they can regen. but i don't want to count them.
2. if gaara goes airborne, he's bound for a surprise attack with food cart destroyer from jiraiya, if gamabunta isn't already summoned.
3. gamabunta is a water release user, plus he uses oil. with that, most of gaara's sand would be useless. and i don't think jiraiya would need sage mode in this fight...meh. we haven't seen the sand siblings actually work "together" as effective as the sannin. i don't even think we've seen them work together at all. well i haven't. anyway, just some points

1.) There is a huge difference between an explosion, and a wind attack. A large scale wind attack like that is more like a bunch of swords flying around than just outward pressure. Look at the trees, they aren't disintegrated, they're all sliced into pieces. Besides Katsuya (which will disappear once Tsunade dies anyway), summons are nothing but flesh and bones. Do the math. Tayuya's head wasn't missing because she was surrounded by trees which provided tons of cover. The complete opposite of a baron desert with nothing to hide behind. With that said Tsunade isn't surviving that, she may have great medical ninjutsu, but she isn't the Third Raikage. Her body isn't going to stay in one piece.

2.) I'm pretty sure you need to be above the target to use that. Jiraiya was standing on top of the frog, and the snake he used it on wasn't nearly as big as the distance that Gaara would be if he were in the air.

3.) Seriously, forget about water, and forget about oil. They are in the desert. In. The. Desert. And if you really think Jiraiya doesn't need Sage Mode then there's really no point in debating with you. You're overrating like a mofo. Just because we haven't seen them work together doesn't mean they can't, they are siblings after all, and they're his bodyguards for a reason. Terrible assumption on your part, and on top of that the only time we saw the Sannins work together they ended up getting their ass handed to them. So I wouldn't really try and use that example either.

 

[Gutsy]

1.) There is a huge difference between an explosion, and a wind attack. A large scale wind attack like that is more like a bunch of swords flying around than just outward pressure. Look at the trees, they aren't disintegrated, they're all sliced into pieces. Besides Katsuya (which will disappear once Tsunade dies anyway), summons are nothing but flesh and bones. Do the math. Tayuya's head wasn't missing because she was surrounded by trees which provided tons of cover. The complete opposite of a baron desert with nothing to hide behind. With that said Tsunade isn't surviving that, she may have great medical ninjutsu, but she isn't the Third Raikage. Her body isn't going to stay in one piece.

2.) I'm pretty sure you need to be above the target to use that. Jiraiya was standing on top of the frog, and the snake he used it on wasn't nearly as big as the distance that Gaara would be if he were in the air.

3.) Seriously, forget about water, and forget about oil. They are in the desert. In. The. Desert. And if you really think Jiraiya doesn't need Sage Mode then there's really no point in debating with you. You're overrating like a mofo. Just because we haven't seen them work together doesn't mean they can't, they are siblings after all, and they're his bodyguards for a reason. Terrible assumption on your part, and on top of that the only time we saw the Sannins work together they ended up getting their ass handed to them. So I wouldn't really try and use that example either.

1. Alright you need to use your brain.... no matter what Jiraiya fought Orochimaru once where he created an enourmous swamp at only 30 % strength, so just imagine what he can do at 100 % he would consume the complete surrounding area in a massive swamp, also Jiraiya can control the swamp so he would make sure Orochimaru and Tsunade wouldn't get harmed.
Jiraiya can also make a vast sea of boiling oil you idiot, how do they counter it and how does Gaara get into the air if the whole desert surrounding him is under a massive sea of boiling oil. Also how do the siblings counter Sound Genjutsu??? from the Toads.

2. Orochimaru would have Edo Tensei Hashirama which could simply turn the surrounding area into a dense forest if he felt like it, or a flowerfield which would make so much pollen everyone would fall asleep. Secondly it's Tobirama who would just make a massive sea of water making the sand almost unable to be used. Also Orochimaru can turn into the eight branch technique and blast everyone away.

3. Tsunade wont fall that easy, you idiot, she has been fighting Pein and Madara and suvived so far and she survived Shinra Tensei which is a massive wind release so tell me again she will die to Temari and your an idiot.


Sannin will definately win this no problem, also their summons would take them down, Manda can just go underground making a surprise attack which they wouldn't see coming and Slug can attack from all directions while Gamabunta can jump high into the air (this would counter Gaara in the air) where Gamabunta can send a massive toad oil bullet with flames at them or a massive water blast.

There is no way they can win.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

gaara already has control of the whole battlefield and only orochimaru would barely escape and possibly get out his edos.

Orochimaru alone could problaby beat them,

in the desert? come on

Jiraiya brutally murders Kankuro and Temari

kankuros chakra shield beats ranged ninjutsu and temari is there for offence. she cut up third raikage so gamabunta's gonna be in trouble.

How did you think of this their no mach for the sannin orochimaru can beat them all by himself

how?

...but anyway, oro being the genius he is **claps hands. summons first and second hokages**

and suddenly they sink into the ground and are sealed by gaaras pyramid.

no matter what Jiraiya fought Orochimaru once where he created an enourmous swamp at only 30 % strength, so just imagine what he can do at 100 % he would consume the complete surrounding area in a massive swamp,

and then the even more massive desert swamps the swamp.

water jutsu's make the sand more difficult to use

actually it doesnt affect it

A Master of Fire/Earth jutsu, capable of creating an enourmous swamp in the middle of nowhere

gaara already controls this battlefield. the swamp will just be ground up into sand

His Rasengan is quite powerful, his hair jutsu can counter any of Kankuro and some of Temari's offensives.

no it wont. temaris wind blows it back, and scorpion chakra shield blocks it

His Toad Summons, like Gamaken and Gamabunta can crush down Temari and Kankuro no problem

they would just turn into kankuros weapons with chakra strings

his toads can use Oil which can take care of Gaara and the Sand for a while.

in the desert? gaara summons a pyramid

she is capable of entering a near immortal state

for a very limited time as proven by 591

a Wood & Water style user which can change the terrain in the matter of seconds

they wont be changing anything. only creating a forest on top of the desert

water can take care of the sand permanently.

based on which feats?

Her summon, Slug can spray acid out on everyone or turn into thousands of slugs attacking from everywhere.

gaara already attacking from every direction including below

sand crushing Oro would just prompt him to switch bodies, doing nothing

oro cant spam regeneration forever. and sand prison can still bury him beneath the earth. no need to heal if all gaaras doing is preventing him from moving

Sand crushing Tsunade would just prompt her to using byakugo, making it ineffective thereafter.

forcing her to rely on that means gaara is being effective

Sand surrounding Jiraiya would prompt him to summon Gamabunta like Naruto did to burst it apart

then gaara makes a pyramid and seals gama or throws a sandstorm to suffocate the toads

Tobirama can use water to make Gaara's sand almost useless.

filler is filler. GTFO

temari's air slice would hardly harm any summons

i bet thats what we thought when she fought third raikage but she cut him up

if the attack were that strong, why isn't tayuya's head missing?

she was killed by the tree not the tech itself

Jiraiya can also make a vast sea of boiling oil you idiot, how do they counter it and how does Gaara get into the air if the whole desert surrounding him is under a massive sea of boiling oil

hes already in the air by the time jiraiya both gets into SM and summons ma and pa

Also how do the siblings counter Sound Genjutsu??? from the Toads.

killing jiraiya before its used obviously

Orochimaru would have Edo Tensei Hashirama which could simply turn the surrounding area into a dense forest if he felt like it

id love to see that when the whole battlefield is already a sinking death trap.

or a flowerfield which would make so much pollen everyone would fall asleep.

pollen stays seemingly on ground level. also temaris fuutons can blow it back towards the sannin. its like any other poison gas.

Tobirama who would just make a massive sea of water making

scans of him doing so

making the sand almost unable to be used

like meis water dragon did? wait...wait no...

she has been fighting Pein

no she did not fight pain.

survived Shinra Tensei which is a massive wind release

no actually its gravity

also their summons would take them down,

gaara sand crushes the summons

Manda can just go underground

the place where kimimaro nearly got turned to mush?

Slug can attack from all directions

no she cant but gaara can

Also Orochimaru can turn into the eight branch technique and blast everyone away.

with what? all eight branches will do is make him a big target for sand hail and sand burial

 

[shonenvan]

ur making it more complicated...

so what if sand siblings had an advantage on desert......?
jiraiya alone who mastered almost all elements plus sage mode , orochimaru who can used forbidden ninjutsu that can tear u apart plus the underrated lady tsunade, near to immortality, able to heal the party so easily and who can easily obliterate madara's susano (not even raikage and gaara are capable of)

about temari( long range attack or wind)
is she able to attacked orochimaru, expert of digging attack ( i mean those snake things attack)

and kankuro( puppetry)
is he capable enough to stopped tsunade in her Strength of a Hundred Technique mode, and well versed of poisons and antidote......

my point is that
sand siblings are strong but compared to sannin.. (kankuro and temari )not even strong enough for class s mission, for pete's sake...gaara is an exemption (since his the kage)...

about the sannin.... what i hate most.. we already knew how strong this people are and yet ...aaah never mind

 

[shonenvan]

naaaaah....
orochimaro alone is a big threat against to sand siblings...
then jiraya plus tsunade............ DESTRUCTION TO SAND VILLAGE....RIP,

 

[Icelerate]

1. Also how do the siblings counter Sound Genjutsu??? from the Toads.

2. Tsunade wont fall that easy, you idiot, she has been fighting Pein and Madara and suvived so far and she survived Shinra Tensei which is a massive wind release so tell me again she will die to Temari and your an idiot.

1. If Temari can counter sound based genjutsu from Tayuya by distorting the sound waves using wind, what makes you think the sound genjutsu from the toads is any threat?

2. Well Pain and Madara used blunt force while Temari uses wind that can cut you into tiny pieces. Don't underestimate her, she said this to Shikamaru once and I'll say it again to you. Also stop calling people idiots who make a good point. I could say the same when you claimed sound based genjutsu had any threat because if you had read the Tayuya fight, all her genjutsu were countered by wind.

OT: Sannin win mid-high difficulty even in the desert as they far outclass the Sand Siblings. This is without Edo Tensei obviously.

 

[s0ulja]

any one of them could solo the siblings imo

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jiraiya's fire burns the toys( puppets and fan), water wets gaara's sand and becomes useless lol

 

[Icelerate]

any one of them could solo the siblings imo

edit:
jiraiya's fire burns the toys( puppets and fan), water wets gaara's sand and becomes useless lol

too bad the fan and puppets are made of metal they aren't getting burned by fire. Gaara can still move the sand even if it wet but it would be slower and drain a lot of chakra. They can counter the wet sand when Kankuro uses his new Sasori puppet to melt the water away.

Don't take this the wrong way the Sannin most definitely win, kind of a fail thread but no one from the Sannin is soloing.

 

[Joki]

I'm pretty baffled people thjink the Siblings stand any chance against all three Sannin together period let alone taking any of them on 1 on 1. Any Sannin could solo this with mid difficulty at bestm and Tsunade at high difficulty at most. All three together?? Is anyone even serious at this point, come on. Although judging by what I've seen people say like 3rd Raikage>>>>Hashirama or something like that it's not very surprising.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Sannin versus the Sand Siblings.You meant this thread as a joke, right?

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

too bad the fan and puppets are made of metal they aren't getting burned by fire. Gaara can still move the sand even if it wet but it would be slower and drain a lot of chakra. They can counter the wet sand when Kankuro uses his new Sasori puppet to melt the water away.

Don't take this the wrong way the Sannin most definitely win, kind of a fail thread but no one from the Sannin is soloing.

So you are saying if Orochimaru used Edo Tensei like he did against Hiruzen he couldn't solo the Sand Siblings?

Apparently, in your world, two Jonin and the weakest of the Kages can beat Orochimaru and the Edo version of Hashirama and Tobirama, even if they are at full strength with Orochimaru Edo Tensei.

 

[Icelerate]

So you are saying if Orochimaru used Edo Tensei like he did against Hiruzen he couldn't solo the Sand Siblings?

Apparently, in your world, two Jonin and the weakest of the Kages can beat Orochimaru and the Edo version of Hashirama and Tobirama, even if they are at full strength with Orochimaru Edo Tensei.

I thought Edo Tensei was not allowed........ If that is the case Oro solos lol. But without Edo, Sannin win mid difficulty. They are much more powerful than the Siblings but the terrain is ideal for Gaara and even Temari can blow sand with wind.

 

[s0ulja]

too bad the fan and puppets are made of metal they aren't getting burned by fire. Gaara can still move the sand even if it wet but it would be slower and drain a lot of chakra. They can counter the wet sand when Kankuro uses his new Sasori puppet to melt the water away.

Don't take this the wrong way the Sannin most definitely win, kind of a fail thread but no one from the Sannin is soloing.

i'l try to be as nice as a possibly can...

-the puppets are mostly wood with bits of metal pieces, plus what do you think they use to forge metal??? yup u guessed it..FIRE. and jiraiya doesn't just use plain fire, he combines it with oil...BAM!
-don't even get me started on what happens to fire when mixed with wind (fan)
-we all saw what happens to gaara when his sand gets wet (very end of season 1)..well maybe except u

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

we all saw what happens to gaara when his sand gets wet

yeah it did nothing. meis water dragon barely even phased it

weakest of the Kages

since when is gaara in a DESERT a weak kage?

jiraiya's fire burns the toys( puppets and fan),

gaaras sand blocks fire

I'm pretty baffled people thjink the Siblings stand any chance against all three Sannin together period let alone taking any of them on 1 on 1. Any Sannin could solo this with mid difficulty at best

gaaras in a desert meaning even 3 sannin have high difficulty just hitting him when hes dumping oceans of sand and trying to sink/crush them

o how do the siblings counter Sound Genjutsu??? from the Toads.

temari blows the sound waves away. shes actualy their natural counter

water wets gaara's sand and becomes useless

since when?

 

[Tazzilla88]

Not going to get heavily into it, but I will point out somethings, and why I think the Sand siblings are completely underrated here. First off I didn't know Oro was allowed to have Edo, with that it's pretty much over. The sannins win, without Edo the battle is much more even.

You're forgetting one thing here, they are in the desert, Jiraiya is not making a swamp as big as a desert. You also have to take into account that making a boiling swamp will make it harder for his teammates and summons to fight in. While Gaara can simply bring Kankuro and Temari in the air with him. Rasengan is out of the question for Gaara, maybe Kankuro and Temari if he can get that close. Also, summons in general aren't a wise choice in this battle because of Temari. She would slice them in half like a hot knife trough butter. Someone who can level an entire forest with a swing of her fan shouldn't be underestimated.

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Neither Summon, nor Tsunade is surviving that, and don't give the whole limb regenerating thing. Tsunade is not going to regenerate her head. Jiraiya on the other hand can put up his barrier, and Orochimaru can use the Rashomon Gates. While Oro uses the Gates he can't move because he has to wait for the wind to stop, meanwhile Gaara puts up a pyramid and seals him. See what I mean? There's many ways this can go, not just only Sannin this and Sannin that. As for Sage Mode, if Jiraiya can get into it it's going to be a long night, but it's going to be extremely hard to get into Sage Mode, even harder than it was against Pain. There is sand everywhere, no matter where Jiraiya goes he can be killed instantly if he makes a mistake.

I'm not saying the Sand siblings would pwn or win 24/7, but they stand a much better chance than you're giving them credit for. I say without Edo Tensei this is 50/50. Oh, and Tsunade is no where near immortal, she's the easiest kill in this fight. Whatever you're smokin' put it down.

It seems the swamp point was already countered based on the scale of which Jiraiya's swamp was at 30%.
Going Aerial isn't necessarily the best course of action considering these scenarios

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And considering Katsuyu is essentially slice proof and stab proof cutting wind jutsus are of no avail against her nor is crushing her with sand. And since she can't be legitmately cut she can't really be poisoned via sword weapons.

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Consider Tayuya was not cut apart your point towards the summons and Tsunade is moot, and considering the trees are not cut all at an even level it logically says that the trees must have been broken. Therefore your cutting point is still moot.

And your underrating Tsunade.