Sannin VS Hashirama

[Uchiha420]

Sannin win. Yall tried Them.
Tsunade strength is too much for Hashirama.
The Boss Summons are too much without the hand thingy.
He wont reach sage mode.
Orochimaru has a special venom for him.

It depends on the mind set of Hahsirama and Tsunade mostly to determine the level of diff.

Team 7 wins.

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[KidGamer65]

The Hashirama wank is to real and has to stop.. You guys are either blindly overrating hashirama just because you love him or severely underrating the team work and power of the sannin because of lack of info and/or ignorance.

The sannin easily take this with Mid Diff at best (w/ shinsenjuu restricted)

Spoiler

Orochimaru has all his jutsu + Snake Summons + Immortality + Enhance Strength thanks to Hash DNA

Jiraiya is in Sage Mode + Toad summons + Ma and Pa + The Third most powerful genjutsu seen in the series

Tsunade has Strength of hundred + Immortality + Katsuyu + 2nd physically strongest ninja in series.

They all have knowledge on all Hashirama's jutsu and how his abilities work via Orochimaru and Tsunade


Hashirama cant beat all the Sannin in there prime like this. That is absolutely ridiculous

Lmfao. I already know you don't have a legit argument for their victory but I'll ask anyway. Please tell me how the Sannin win? Cause as far as I can tell, the only one who is blindly overrating anyone here would be you. What's hilarious is that Manga has already stated and shown that Hashirama would obliterate the Gokage via Madara, his inferior (equal in this scenario since SS is restricted, and PS=Mokujin), doing so and Madara's own statements himself where he blatantly states that Hashirama>>Gokage. Yet somehow Sannin>>Hashirama? Or are the Sannin tiers above the Gokage now? (Don't say yes)

Boy. :lol Intel is irrelevant, and even if it were, Orochimaru knowing all of Hashirama's jutsu is fanfiction. Same goes for Tsunade. Her knowing about Flower Tree World=/=Her knowing them all. Her being his granddaughter=/=Her knowing them all.

 

[MickNerks]

Lmfao. I already know you don't have a legit argument for their victory but I'll ask anyway. Please tell me how the Sannin win? Cause as far as I can tell, the only one who is blindly overrating anyone here would be you. What's hilarious is that Manga has already stated and shown that Hashirama would obliterate the Gokage via Madara, his inferior (equal in this scenario since SS is restricted, and PS=Mokujin), doing so and Madara's own statements himself where he blatantly states that Hashirama>>Gokage. Yet somehow Sannin>>Hashirama? Or are the Sannin tiers above the Gokage now? (Don't say yes)

Boy. :lol Intel is irrelevant, and even if it were, Orochimaru knowing all of Hashirama's jutsu is fanfiction. Same goes for Tsunade. Her knowing about Flower Tree World=/=Her knowing them all. Her being his granddaughter=/=Her knowing them all.

The problem is that your comparing the Gokage to the Legendary Sannin. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the sannin stated in this thread would have perform far better against madara then the gokage, and with their diversity in techniques and skill they could have even sealed him sooner. And Im not saying that the Sannin are tiers above the gokage, but it is very clear that the 3 sannin have a far greater arsenal of jutsu then the 5 gokage.

The gokage dont have anywhere near the versatility that the sannin do. Which is why I believe comparing the gokage's performance against madara to how the sannin would do is just as ridiculous to trying comparing the gokage performance to Minato, Tobirama, and Hiruzen if they were to fight Madara. They have a far larger arsenal of jutsu then the gokage. This is honestly why I dislike the way people rate and make arguments in vs battles, because everyone always likes to use A>B>C logic which you cant do in universes like Naruto and One Piece. Just because Jiraiya>Itachi and Itachi>Danzo does not mean Jiraiya>Danzo.


And I am not overrating the Sannin. If this was a 1on1 battle them I would agree that Hashirama would clean them easily, but TOGETHER you have to be smoking something strong if you think Hashirama beats them LOW DIFF (As what everyone who posted above stated). Hashirama doesnt have a counter to Demonic Toad Chant, and whats stopping wood golem from being binded by Manda and sank into the swamp of the underworld, What is stopping orochimaru from just sealing hashirama off the bat with Death Reaper Seal.

My problem is that people dont even think about the abilities of the collected shinobi, they blindly spew "Low diff, no diff, low diff" all the time with out thinking. Now if you would like to provide with how hashirama destroys the sannin low diff, I am more than willing to listen and learn something new, but if you are using A<B<C logic to compare to complete different groups of shinobi with completely different talents and skills then dont bother. But since I know your one of the Great Debators in the Vs Forum if sure you can back it up.

To your point of knowledge being irrelavant, I have to disagree, knowing what your opponent is capable of gives you the advantage of being able to counter it. And though you are right about tsunade not knowing all of her grandfathers techniques, orochimaru IMO would have a about his terraforming techniques, his healing abilites, and his mokuton clones.

 

[solorflare99]

This thread provides many luls.

 

[KidGamer65]

The problem is that your compairing the Gokage to the Legendary Sannin. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the sannin stated in this tread would have perform far better against madara then the gokage, and with their diversity in technique and skill they could have even sealed him.

Hashirama doesnt have a counter to Demonic Toad Chant, and whats stopping wood golem from being binded by Manda and sank into the swamp of the underworld, What is stopping orochimaru from just sealing hashirama off the bat with Death Reaper Seal.

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Go to this thread and post an argument, ignore Team 7. I'm 110% sure that no one can put a good argument for the Sannin up. Not against Edo Madara. :lol As for the arguments here.

You are overrating them, ignoring their limits and ignoring Hashirama's strengths to fuel your argument. Just from reading the Manga you'd know that nothing you stated is even remotely possible in this fight.

1. Orochimaru can't use Reaper Death Seal. He only has the scroll for the release of the jutsu.

2. Mokujin at it's largest is PS sized. Bijuu are the size of PS's head. Jiraiya sinking it completely is nonsense. Manda being large enough to wrap around something PS's size when it's only Bijuu sized is nonsense. Manda being able to bind something as physically powerful as PS is nonsense. Bijuu>>>Manda in physical power. PS=Mokujin>>>Bijuu in physical power. Mokujin at it's weakest is Full Kurama sized, still far larger than anything Jiraiya has ever sunk. It has physical power equal to Full Kurama according to DB, which is >>Half Kurama>Other Bijuu>>>Manda in that category.

3. Doesn't need one when he'd crush these 3 within minutes of the beginning of the fight. Gama Rinsho is never happening here. He has nowhere to hide and he can't fend Hashirama off while the toads prep it.

Hashirama calls Mokujin and it obliterates them.

 

[MickNerks]

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You are overrating them, ignoring their limits and ignoring Hashirama's strengths to fuel your argument. Just from reading the Manga you'd know that nothing you stated is even remotely possible in this fight.

1. Orochimaru can't use Reaper Death Seal. He only has the scroll for the release of the jutsu.

Im not ignoring their limits, and im fully aware of all of hashirama's abilities and what he is capable of. Im not Hashirama hating in any way, and I havent even began to start a argument for how they counter his techniques, I only gave my opinion of who would win.

I mentioned orochimaru using Death Reaper Seal for multiple reasons.

1. He already stated that he began

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or activate it[

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] (Learned how to Summon and Control the Shinigami). We know that he could just use the hand signs from the beginning because he didnt have the ability to use jutsu at the time which is why he needed the mask.

2. Orochimaru as far as we know is still in possession of the Shinigami Mask.

3. When I checked wiki as a source for Orochimaru's techniques it had Death Reaper Seal as a technique in his arsenal. And the Shinigami Mask as one of his tools.

So I would say that orochimaru is able to summon the Death Reaper now and remove the souls of his opponents, and even if he cant use the actual hand seals he has the mask in his posession to summon it.

2. Mokujin at it's largest is PS sized. Bijuu are the size of PS's head. Jiraiya sinking it completely is nonsense. Manda being large enough to wrap around something PS's size when it's only Bijuu sized is nonsense. Manda being able to bind something as physically powerful as PS is nonsense. Bijuu>>>Manda in physical power. PS=Mokujin>>>Bijuu in physical power. Mokujin at it's weakest is Full Kurama sized, still far larger than anything Jiraiya has ever sunk. It has physical power equal to Full Kurama according to DB, which is >>Half Kurama>Other Bijuu>>>Manda in that category.

I dont understand where you aquired your scaling of these techniques.

Here we can see that Mokujin is shorter than Perfect Susanoo. [

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Here we can see that Mokujin and Kurama are equal height. [

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Kurama is only slightly larger than Gamabuta if you exclude the Tails [

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And Manda is shown to be larger than both Gamabunta and Katsuyu. [

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But you do make a point about its strength equal to that of PS, so it seems Manda wouldnt be sucessful in trying to restrict it. But saying that Jaraiya enhance with senjutsu couldnt create a Swamp Larger than Drugged Base Jiraiya is a far cry from the truth. Mokujin is definitely getting draged down, or if nothing else STALLED.

The Second DataBook states:

"The adhesive, chakra-infused mud ensnares the enemy's body, making it almost impossible to recover one's strength and escape from the swamp. The size and depth of the created swamp depends on the user's skill and the amount of chakra used, but if the user is an expert in this technique, it will always be possible to make a fair-sized swamp which is extremely effective against a great number of enemies or when having to face gigantic creatures."

- Second Databook, page 261

So with a enhancement of senjutsu and his mastery of the technique Sage Jiraiya should be more than capable of creating a swamp deeper and stronger than what was used originally.

3. Doesn't need one when he'd crush these 3 within minutes of the beginning of the fight. Gama Rinsho is never happening here. He has nowhere to hide and he can't fend Hashirama off while the toads prep it.

Hashirama calls Mokujin and it obliterates them.

Hashirama has no knowledge of Gama Rinsho, so he wouldnt have the slightest clue what ma and pa were doing. With Gamabunta, manda, katsuyu, orochimaru (summon Rashomon) and Tsunade on the field Hashirama will have more then enough to deal with (especially if Mokujin is trapped in a swamp). Jiraiaya will have more then enough time to prepare and once its heard Hashirama is K.O'd.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. He already stated that he began

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or activate it[

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] (Learned how to Summon and Control the Shinigami). We know that he could just use the hand signs from the beginning because he didnt have the ability to use jutsu at the time which is why he needed the mask.

2. Orochimaru as far as we know is still in possession of the Shinigami Mask.

3. When I checked wiki as a source for Orochimaru's techniques it had Death Reaper Seal as a technique in his arsenal. And the Shinigami Mask as one of his tools.

So I would say that orochimaru is able to summon the Death Reaper now and remove the souls of his opponents, and even if he cant use the actual hand seals he has the mask in his posession to summon it.

1. Irrelevant and false. Orochimaru stated that using the mask, he was able to release their souls from the death god. He can't use Reaper Death Seal. Never shown, never hinted. Release=/=Sealing.

2. Irrelevant as the mask

3. Lol, no, Wiki doesn't list Shiki Fujin as his jutsu. It lists Shiki Fujin: Release as his technique.

Unless you have scans of Orochimaru being able to seal people using the jutsu, you don't have a point.

I dont understand where you aquired your scaling of these techniques.

Here we can see that Mokujin is shorter than Perfect Susanoo. [

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Here we can see that Mokujin and Kurama are equal height. [

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Kurama is only slightly larger than Gamabuta if you exclude the Tails [

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And Manda is shown to be larger than both Gamabunta and Katsuyu. [

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But you do make a point about its strength equal to that of PS, so it seems Manda wouldnt be sucessful in trying to restrict it. But saying that Jaraiya enhance with senjutsu couldnt create a Swamp Larger than Drugged Base Jiraiya is a far cry from the truth. Mokujin is definitely getting draged down, or if nothing else STALLED.

Your scaling is flawed.

That Mokujin is obviously smaller than the one Hashirama used as an Edo Tensei and it's even smaller than the one he initially used against Madara at VoTe. Perfect Susanoo>>V4 Susanoo w/o legs in size. V4 Susanoo w/o legs=Mokujin at VoTE in size. Is the Mokujin used as an Edo shorter than PS? Yes, but by much? No, not really. Not enough that your claim would stand. And Gamabunta is obviously not as large or even close to Full Kurama's size when it's full body can fit on the upper torso and neck of it. Then there's the fact that clearer comparisons show that Boss Summons=Bijuu<<Full Kurama in size. The rest is irrelevant since it's based on that false point.

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-Myojinmon to Bijuu Sized Boss Summons, who are the same size as the Juublings, who are this Bijuu Sized. [

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-Myojinmon to PS and Mokujin. [

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-PS and Mokujin to Bijuu Sized Juublings. [

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Bijuu are the size of Mokujin and PS's hands. Manda is the size of Bijuu. Manda never wraps around Mokujin, ever.

So with a enhancement of senjutsu and his mastery of the technique Sage Jiraiya should be more than capable of creating a swamp deeper and stronger than what was used originally.

Is that proof he can submerge something that's near PS's size and physical strength? No. You only stated that SM Jiraiya swamp>>>Drugged Jiraiya swamp, and that's something we already know.

Hashirama has no knowledge of Gama Rinsho, so he wouldnt have the slightest clue what ma and pa were doing. With Gamabunta, manda, katsuyu, orochimaru (summon Rashomon) and Tsunade on the field Hashirama will have more then enough to deal with (especially if Mokujin is trapped in a swamp). Jiraiaya will have more then enough time to prepare and once its heard Hashirama is K.O'd.

Not relevant. He doesn't need to know of Gama Rinsho to know that he's going to kill Jiraiya and his teammates. Nothing you stated can hurt or block Mokujin's attacks so please tell me how it's stalling him long enough to prep it? Lol. Once again, you ignore the strengths of Hashirama and exaggerate the abilities of the Sannin in an attempt to try and say that they mid diff, which is pure nonsense.

-How are summons stalling him when he binds Bijuu w/ his generic roots? Mokujin swats them aside and crushes Orochimaru and Tsunade, and then crushes Jiraiya in less than 5 minutes.

-How is his swamp binding something physically equal to Perfect Susanoo?

 

[Kushina san]

The Hashirama wank is to real and has to stop.. You guys are either blindly overrating hashirama just because you love him or severely underrating the team work and power of the sannin because of lack of info and/or ignorance.

The sannin easily take this with Mid Diff at best (w/ shinsenjuu restricted)

Spoiler

Orochimaru has all his jutsu + Snake Summons + Immortality + Enhance Strength/Stamina/Power thanks to Hash DNA

Jiraiya is in Sage Mode (Enhanced reflex, speed, strength, power, stamina, sensory) + Toad summons + Ma and Pa + The Third most powerful genjutsu seen in the series

Tsunade has Strength of hundred + Immortality + Katsuyu + 2nd physically strongest ninja in series.

They all have knowledge on all Hashirama's jutsu and how his abilities work via Orochimaru and Tsunade. IDK how you think Hashirama's sage mode offers him something that Jiraiya does not(In terms of Physical and Sensory improvements).


Hashirama cant beat all the Sannin in their prime like this. That is absolutely ridiculous

This is really funny :mew:

 

[Bantos]

Can't see what the sannin can really do.
Tsunade could postpone her demise by hiding in Katsuyu?

Hashirama's wood dragon absorbs chakra, this is what takes Orochimaru and Tsunade down.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

You guys neglect to notice, they have ALL of the toads and at least Manda and the Giant Snakes. They have the firepower to bind wood dragon

 

[Kushina san]

Blocks them with Myōjinmon^^

This technique has blocked Juubi.

 

[Braiyan]

Hashirama wins. If the pollen doesn't get them, then he goes in Sage Mode, drops gates on both the Sannin and their summons, and does away with them with Mokujin + Wood Dragon.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hashirama calls Mokujin and it obliterates them.

Mokujin isn't beating Manda. SS yeah but Mokujin not even close.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Mokujin isn't beating Manda. SS yeah but Mokujin not even close.​

Take your snake fetishes elsewhere pls.

 

[Diabound]

Mokujin isn't beating Manda. SS yeah but Mokujin not even close.​

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[solorflare99]

He said not even close

 

[Ansatsuken]

Even without Shinsuusenju he still have Myojimon, Golem that stalemate PS, Wood Dragon(Small and big), Flower tree world, Clones etc

He still stomp them hard like what Madara did to Gokage

Edit: Manda get pinned by Myojinmon and get slapped by Mokujin after that.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Smh why the hell is this dude arguing for sannin against Hasirama? He needs 3 gates for them.

 

[Conspirator.]

Hashirama shits on them.

 

[MickNerks]

Not relevant. He doesn't need to know of Gama Rinsho to know that he's going to kill Jiraiya and his teammates. Nothing you stated can hurt or block Mokujin's attacks so please tell me how it's stalling him long enough to prep it? Lol. Once again, you ignore the strengths of Hashirama and exaggerate the abilities of the Sannin in an attempt to try and say that they mid diff, which is pure nonsense.

-How are summons stalling him when he binds Bijuu w/ his generic roots? Mokujin swats them aside and crushes Orochimaru and Tsunade, and then crushes Jiraiya in less than 5 minutes.

-How is his swamp binding something physically equal to Perfect Susanoo?

I don't think that hurting or destroying Mokujin is necessary, they just need to distract it and survive it, while Jiraiya prep's Gama Rinsho. It would be wise to use Orochimaru and Tsunade as the distrations because they are immortal, they arn't going to die, and can actually use hashirama's lack of intel to play possum (much like tsunade did to Madara) and counter attack from behind.

They only need to by jiraiya time, at best 3-5 mins. With Orochimaru's on the defense with Sanjū Rashōmon and Tsunade able able to use her immortality as a distraction long enough for Jiraiya to fully prepare. Jiraiya also has methods he can use that allow him to stay out of harms way, such as: Sanjū Rashōmon, Gamagakure no Jutsu, and Kageayatsuri no Jutsu which all provide him with cover while ma and pa prep.

They can turn the size of the Mokujin into its weakness and taking advantage of its large size (As a target) and slower speed. Once again I'm not underestimating hashirama, but it seems obvious that people arnt considering all of the sannin's abilities to accomplish their goal. They dont have to confront him directly, they can use techniques to stall, and since hashirama isn't omnipresent he would have to focus his attention on the biggest threat.

Tsunade, Orochimaru, Katsuyu, Manda, and Boss Toads are a far bigger threat to hashirama then a missing Jiraiya, which will give jiraiya the time needed to get the prep needed to trap him in genjutsu.