[VS] Sannin vs EMS Madara

[Draegod]

Uhh... how do they beat him? They barely can counter his Katon.

Bunta no only negs his fire, bunta and jman counter it. 1 rashomon blocks it, tsnunade tanks it, oru and snakes go underground. Edo hashi wood genesis creates added extra hiding as in cannon etc etc. fire Jutsu is literally a non factor. What is your next proposition?

 

[TRE MERCER]

And they counter all of that with ease! Just as much chakra and brains to match! This is a for sure victory in the sannin favor with out ps and the kyubi! Not even debatable!

L0l they still gets spanked.​

 

[Rιver]

Bunta no only negs his fire, bunta and jman counter it. 1 rashomon blocks it, tsnunade tanks it, oru and snakes go underground. Edo hashi wood genesis creates added extra hiding as in cannon etc etc. fire Jutsu is literally a non factor. What is your next proposition?

Ok, say Madara created 5 clones as in canon that all wear Susanoo, proceeding to cut down all like Tsunade in canon. How do they stop him?

 

[Draegod]

Ok, say Madara created 5 clones as in canon that all wear Susanoo, proceeding to cut down all like Tsunade in canon. How do they stop him?

Who says he has the chakra of hasirama plus Madara fusion to preform that? Let alone Wood clones (which are cannonly far above basic shadow clones). You would then have to prove he could achieve such a feat in a non fusion body and with basic clones. But that doesn't matter since his Susanoo feats aren't ground breaking outside of PS. Tsunade literally tanked his best non PS moves cannonly (beads and swords). So what do you have next?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Who says he has the chakra of hasirama plus Madara fusion to preform that? Let alone Wood clones (which are cannonly far above basic shadow clones). You would then have to prove he could achieve such a feat in a non fusion body and with basic clones. But that doesn't matter since his Susanoo feats aren't ground breaking outside of PS. Tsunade literally tanked his best non PS moves cannonly (beads and swords). So what do you have next?

Madara has huge chakra reserves. Im positive he can easily do that. V4 Susanoo would obliterate Tsunade. V3 Magatama's would also. She didn't even tank the swords if they pierced her body she just wasn't fazed via healing factor and high pain tolerance.​

 

[Draegod]

Madara has huge chakra reserves. Im positive he can easily do that. V4 Susanoo would obliterate Tsunade. V3 Magatama's would also. She didn't even tank the swords if they pierced her body she just wasn't fazed via healing factor.​

True he does, but on the level Fusion madi did bro? I don't think so. But again lets say he could (since he is that niguh) what threat would they be? And with katsuya and other summons plus the unison of there team work there is no way madara wins! Frog song negs!

 

[TRE MERCER]

True he does, but on the level Fusion madi did bro? I don't think so. But again lets say he could (since he is that niguh) what threat would they be? And with katsuya and other summons plus the unison of there team work there is no way madara wins! Frog song negs!

Should that even be a factor here? Unless you think Susanoo clones are more chakra taxing than a PS? They would actually be a big threat.

Explanation 1

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Due to there size and durability they could easily best any of the Sannin in any type of cqc. Not to mention the Madara clones inside the V3 Susanoo can use there Juubi size katons. Because of there mobility they could dodge attacks and throw Magatama's which are strong enough to plow through Gaara's mom defense. Tsunade isn't landing any hits if she's fighting a standing Susanoo 1v1 due to swords and Magatama's. Orochimaru only has his summoings to rely on which can be caught in genjutsu. His blade(Forgot the name) is tanked low difficulty. Jiraiya rasengans are tanked with ease and with a v3 Susanoo constantly pressuring him he won't be able to keep his hands together to even enter SM.

Katsuya and summonings are taken out via genjutsu. Frog song is a big what if here. Plus Itachi and Sasuke shown they could use Sharingan abilities while inside of sound genjutsu so i doubt it will be usefull here.​

 

[Draegod]

Should that even be a factor here? Unless you think Susanoo clones are more chakra taxing than a PS? They would actually be a big threat.

Explanation 1

Spoiler

Due to there size and durability they could easily best any of the Sannin in any type of cqc. Not to mention the Madara clones inside the V3 Susanoo can use there Juubi size katons. Because of there mobility they could dodge attacks and throw Magatama's which are strong enough to plow through Gaara's mom defense. Tsunade isn't landing any hits if she's fighting a standing Susanoo 1v1 due to swords and Magatama's. Orochimaru only has his summoings to rely on which can be caught in genjutsu. His blade(Forgot the name) is tanked low difficulty. Jiraiya rasengans are tanked with ease and with a v3 Susanoo constantly pressuring him he won't be able to keep his hands together to even enter SM.

Katsuya and summonings are taken out via genjutsu. Frog song is a big what if here. Plus Itachi and Sasuke shown they could use Sharingan abilities while inside of sound genjutsu so i doubt it will be usefull here.​

They couldn't best the 5 kages and it was 5 to 1 ratio, yet you think a weaker version of them clones can beat the sannin? Yomi noma off bat traps all 5 or frog call stuns them all, Tsunade can over power any of them, Hashirama can bind them with Forrest Genesis, Tobirama floods the field with added water for snakes to bind there legs together like rope on a chicken from below. etc etc. I literally have too many scenerios where the clones are taken care of!

None of Madaras attacks bar large AOE will land on Jman or Oru and once white snake poison comes into play they off madara where he stands as well. The Summons are instantly freed from genjutsu via Kai release from it's summoner or fellow summon that aids them. Genjutsu is a non factor along with Susanoo clones. What is next?

 

[Eight Gates Unleashed]

PS destroys all the sannin and laughs at them

 

[Unorthodox]

And they counter all of that with ease! Just as much chakra and brains to match! This is a for sure victory in the sannin favor with out ps and the kyubi! Not even debatable!

Its definitely debatable stupid boy

They couldn't best the 5 kages and it was 5 to 1 ratio, yet you think a weaker version of them clones can beat the sannin?

weak argument is weak Edo Madara made 25 clones Alive Madara who is faster stronger larger chakra reserves making 5 shadow clones does not = Edo Madara making 25 superior wood clones bad logic is bad.

Yomi noma off bat traps all 5 or frog call stuns them all, Tsunade can over power any of them, Hashirama can bind them with Forrest Genesis, Tobirama floods the field with added water for snakes to bind there legs together like rope on a chicken from below. etc etc. I literally have too many scenerios where the clones are taken care of

Yomi noma is never landing on highly mobile susanoo's who can jump to dodge furthermore we've seen Madara's v3 susanoo burst Gaara + Shakaku sand prison easy which is tiers above that underworld swamp which could not even sink a fodder snake the susanoo's overpower the swamp if ever caught or katon boils them out easy. Would frog call even work on bushin? anyways Madara or the clones physical body may be stunned but the susanoo wont Magatamas swats the frogs out the sky from screaming or the susanoo proceeds to jump out of the way. I Laughed hard at the second part of your post part 1 edo Hashirama wood is never binding Madara physically let alone a v4 susanoo standing get that phuck out of here with that nonsense, Madara's katon is the size of the juubi Tobirama's katon was the size of a roof top flooding will never occur. Snake will never bind a susanoo legs whats wrong with you and i just killed all of your scenario's so try again.

None of Madaras attacks bar large AOE will land on Jman or Oru and once white snake poison comes into play they off madara where he stands as well. The Summons are instantly freed from genjutsu via Kai release from it's summoner or fellow summon that aids them. Genjutsu is a non factor along with Susanoo clones. What is next?

Bunta is not fending off 3 juubi size katons same with the others frogs Jiraiya trying to play to running game is suicide Madara's chakra is skies above his and his sage mode also wont last forever his frogs get roasted and slashed apart. Orochimaru case is even worst Bunta gets fried if its above ground and susanoo slashes it apart once it comes he also gets outlasted if he tries. White snake poison what a joke not only do clones not have immune systems would it even breach susanoo? anyways the snake and the poison is vaporized by the katons end of story.

 

[Draegod]

Its definitely debatable stupid boy



weak argument is weak Edo Madara made 25 clones Alive Madara who is faster stronger larger chakra reserves making 5 shadow clones does not = Edo Madara making 25 superior wood clones bad logic is bad.



Yomi noma is never landing on highly mobile susanoo's who can jump to dodge furthermore we've seen Madara's v3 susanoo burst Gaara + Shakaku sand prison easy which is tiers above that underworld swamp which could not even sink a fodder snake the susanoo's overpower the swamp if ever caught or katon boils them out easy. Would frog call even work on bushin? anyways Madara or the clones physical body may be stunned but the susanoo wont Magatamas swats the frogs out the sky from screaming or the susanoo proceeds to jump out of the way. I Laughed hard at the second part of your post part 1 edo Hashirama wood is never binding Madara physically let alone a v4 susanoo standing get that phuck out of here with that nonsense, Madara's katon is the size of the juubi Tobirama's katon was the size of a roof top flooding will never occur. Snake will never bind a susanoo legs whats wrong with you and i just killed all of your scenario's so try again.



Bunta is not fending off 3 juubi size katons same with the others frogs Jiraiya trying to play to running game is suicide Madara's chakra is skies above his and his sage mode also wont last forever his frogs get roasted and slashed apart. Orochimaru case is even worst Bunta gets fried if its above ground and susanoo slashes it apart once it comes he also gets outlasted if he tries. White snake poison what a joke not only do clones not have immune systems would it even breach susanoo? anyways the snake and the poison is vaporized by the katons end of story.

Not even worth replying to your fanmade feats and Alive SM hasirama Fused rinnegan madara. lmao Just let Tre defend madara would ya?

 

[Unorthodox]

Not even worth replying to your fanmade feats and Alive SM hasirama Fused rinnegan madara. lmao Just let Tre defend madara would ya?

in other words you concede Rinnegan does not boost susanoo power and furthermore v4 susanoo would burst that same defense which is leagues above the swamp world which could not sink a snake from part one so its all irrelevant. That was one part of my post and a small part at that why must people never concede does its hurt the ego or something?

 

[Draegod]

in other words you concede Rinnegan does not boost susanoo power and furthermore v4 susanoo would burst that same defense which is leagues above the swamp world which could not sink a snake from part one so its all irrelevant. That was one part of my post and a small part at that why must people never concede does its hurt the ego or something?

Rinnegan? You mean SAGE MODE RINNEGAN HASIRAMA FUSION MADARA. lmao Plus when has Yomi noma a def? What are you even writing at this point? Then you bring up drunk Jman with no perfect chakra control sinking a giant snake which is bigger then his Legged susanoo? Really? What did you do to even allow me to concede? This is why I avoid uchiha fans like yourself.

 

[Rιver]

Who says he has the chakra of hasirama plus Madara fusion to preform that? Let alone Wood clones (which are cannonly far above basic shadow clones). You would then have to prove he could achieve such a feat in a non fusion body and with basic clones. But that doesn't matter since his Susanoo feats aren't ground breaking outside of PS. Tsunade literally tanked his best non PS moves cannonly (beads and swords). So what do you have next?

Since when did Hashirama's cells add chakra? Kakashi has Uchiha cells, still poor levels. Danzo also has the same, not outstanding levels. Cells don't make up chakra. Remember chakra is physical + mental energy. Nothing to do with cells.

So yeah he'd exexute it finely and guess what... doubt they can handle even one Susanoo.

 

[Unorthodox]

Rinnegan? You mean SAGE MODE RINNEGAN HASIRAMA FUSION MADARA. lmao Plus when has Yomi noma a def? What are you even writing at this point? Then you bring up drunk Jman with no perfect chakra control sinking a giant snake which is bigger then his Legged susanoo? Really? What did you do to even allow me to concede? This is why I avoid uchiha fans like yourself.

Why are you typing so dramatic? Having sage mode is irrelevant since he still had his Alive Madara reserves so its not like his chakra was on another level if you take away his sage mode also he's never had Hashirama's full arsenal he never even showed the big guns like Mokujin,SS,Hotei Gates, and having mokuton at the time was irrelevant because the only thing he used of Hashirama was his regeneration and sage mode. You keep putting emphasis on him having a rinnegan but what does rinnegan does for his susanoo? and you act like my post had anything to do with him using rinnegan so again add irrelevant shit to your argument is irrelevant. Being drunk or not is irrelevant since that's the under world swamp best feat jiraiya not having perfect chakra controll? what how does that even effect the swamp i also had more than one counter to it which you obviously ignored. Being bigger is irrelevant choji can get much bigger than a v4 susanoo yet it can slash him to pieces and tank anything he has to offer same with Manda 2 and Perfect susanoo and size can be debated Madara has shown a fairly large v4 susanoo. What allowed to know you concede is because in stead of counter you went right on the defense with lame insults if your not replying about the matchup do not quote me worm.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Since when did Hashirama's cells add chakra? Kakashi has Uchiha cells, still poor levels. Danzo also has the same, not outstanding levels. Cells don't make up chakra. Remember chakra is physical + mental energy. Nothing to do with cells.

So yeah he'd exexute it finely and guess what... doubt they can handle even one Susanoo.

Oh, sometimes Versta. .

 

[Draegod]

Since when did Hashirama's cells add chakra? Kakashi has Uchiha cells, still poor levels. Danzo also has the same, not outstanding levels. Cells don't make up chakra. Remember chakra is physical + mental energy. Nothing to do with cells.

So yeah he'd exexute it finely and guess what... doubt they can handle even one Susanoo.

When it allowed a MS jutsu that could only be used every decade to being used in under 6 hours. When it made a chakra taxing Izanagi able to be used 10 times with no side affect what so ever on a man pass the age of 65. When it allows Obito to spam Kamui to to end and allow both madara and obito to control the Juubi itself. Plus SM in general places everything on an entirely different level. Plus the databook fact that the cells are alive btw. Anything else?

 

[Rιver]

When it allowed a MS jutsu that could only be used every decade to being used in under 6 hours. When it made a chakra taxing Izanagi able to be used 10 times with no side affect what so ever on a man pass the age of 65. When it allows Obito to spam Kamui to to end and allow both madara and obito to control the Juubi itself. Plus SM in general places everything on an entirely different level. Plus the databook fact that the cells are alive btw. Anything else?

That's not up to reserves. If it was, don't you think KM Naruto had more than enough chakra to back that up? Uchiha and Senju had a deep connection that has proven to affect eyes. Also Obito's Mangekyo was never indicated to be bright. Kakashi got blind much later, so did probably Obito. Nevertheless, we don't know how blind he ever was.

The cells never granted HM, lol. If this was true, Madara wouldn't have had to literally suck the Senjutsu out of Hashirama.

None of your suggestions have basis. If cells did add chakra, it would have made characters like Yamato chakra monsters. But it didn't since he got really tired of making just few blocks of wooden houses.

 

[Beans2]

Unorthodox solo'd this thread

 

[TRE MERCER]

They couldn't best the 5 kages and it was 5 to 1 ratio, yet you think a weaker version of them clones can beat the sannin? Yomi noma off bat traps all 5 or frog call stuns them all, Tsunade can over power any of them, Hashirama can bind them with Forrest Genesis, Tobirama floods the field with added water for snakes to bind there legs together like rope on a chicken from below. etc etc. I literally have too many scenerios where the clones are taken care of!

They were weaker when they were split into 25th's. Actually they'll be stronger. Danzo was punched by a Susanoo fist and was killed.(

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). Mei was punched by Madara Susanoo fist and was barely damaged hell she got back up moments later.(

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). Mei's body hasn't shown that it's more durable than the average G.E Danzo. No not when they can jump out of it's range. Assuming Jiraiya would even get enough time and space to enter SM. Once they try frog call the Madara inside the Susanoo uses his Juubi size Katon to roast them. That forest shouldn't even be mentioned here is much weaker than any Mokuton tech shown it's either burned out of chopped via Susanoo blades. Same thing goes for Tobirama's water. ​

None of Madaras attacks bar large AOE will land on Jman or Oru and once white snake poison comes into play they off madara where he stands as well. The Summons are instantly freed from genjutsu via Kai release from it's summoner or fellow summon that aids them. Genjutsu is a non factor along with Susanoo clones. What is next?

How come? There summonings are completely useless his clones can charge them recklessly if there are no summonings protecting them and poison won't kill a shadow clone. The summonings will be already fighting for Madara bout time the sannin know there under genjutsu since none of them are sensors.​