Truth be told, until Orochimaru shows us more of his arsenal it's not really much a combination. It's an offensive fighter, a medic, and someone who just summons snakes primarily. .
Lol? You mean that a toad oil bullet will disarm Gaara's entire abilities? No. A worn out Gaara was capable of doing this [
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Triple Rashomon or whatever it is called is the main reason for Orochimaru's fatigue against Naruto. Doing so here would be pointless and only serve to waste chakra, it can be replenished sure. But Tsunade herself only has so much she can give. Mei's suiton isn't to be underestimated It's of massive sizes [
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Swamp of the Underworld is easily stopped by Oonoki's ability to give flight.
Mei's Mist isn't a factor.
Katon's can be stopped by Oonoki lowering or raising the ground around them. Giving them a make shift bunker against it, and any fire that may flow downwards into where the Kage are can be emt with a massive suiton.
Katsuyu will be shocked via Ay. As a being of mainly water, they'll be injured by hiding or relying on Katusuy too much. Not to mention beings made up of a majority of water is capable of being temporarily paralyzed when introduced to raiton.
Jiraiya is not catching a V2 Ay.
Oonoki or Gaara can help Mei here. Either with a shield of sand or Oonoki giving her flight. Yes, the Kusanagi can levitate. But it's not going to be able to catch up to a speeding Mei on either Gaara's sand or flying on her own.
The frog song which takes ages to prepare? Which will also capture his allies, unless he shouts and alerts them to cover their ears or take some measure to prevent themselves from falling in it? Which would give the other faction a chance to counter? No.
And this is all not including Jinton, which demolishes any of them if/when caught.
? You mean that a toad oil bullet will disarm Gaara's entire abilities? No. A worn out Gaara was capable of doing this [1] And nothing really stops Gaara from making a massive shield of sand to take in the oil, or for Mei to fire off a suiton to counter act it. .
I didn't say one toad oil bullet will do the trick, but if Jiraiya summons about 3 boss toads and they are repeatedly spitting oil at the sand, it should be enough to disable it all. Remember, the location isn't a desert and the toads can spit oil as fast as Gaara can erode soil to make more sand - assuming that the toads don't disable Gaara's Ultimate Defense sand before he even gets an opportunity to make the desert.
Triple Rashomon or whatever it is called is the main reason for Orochimaru's fatigue against Naruto. Doing so here would be pointless and only serve to waste chakra, it can be replenished sure. But Tsunade herself only has so much she can give. Mei's suiton isn't to be underestimated It's of massive sizes [2] While it may not be able to stop the entire attack, it'll make for a formidable buffer against it and give the rest of the Kages, even her with the help of Oonoki or Gaara's sand, to escape.
I don't really get your point. How does Rashomon not completely block Mei's attack? If it's a matter of size, her water dragon is just not that big compared to the Rashomon Gates.
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See how the gates completely dwarf the forest which is full of tall trees? Whereas with Mei's suiton, she is still pretty big in comparison to the water dragon.
Swamp of the Underworld is easily stopped by Oonoki's ability to give flight.
The reason i mentioned the swamp was so I could point out how massive earthen structures would get sunk if Onoki made them. If he makes his Rock Golem fly, it gets melted by Jiraiya's fire or tackled by frog summons jumping onto it.
Katon's can be stopped by Oonoki lowering or raising the ground around them. Giving them a make shift bunker against it, and any fire that may flow downwards into where the Kage are can be emt with a massive suiton.
Again, dark swamp. The bunker gets sunk into the ground.
Katsuyu will be shocked via Ay. As a being of mainly water, they'll be injured by hiding or relying on Katusuy too much. Not to mention beings made up of a majority of water is capable of being temporarily paralyzed when introduced to raiton.
Speed =/= reflexes. If Ay tries to enter close combat, Jiraiya can make a gigantic rasengan since he's in SM. From there, it's a simple matter of making sure something massive like the rasengan at least brushes Ay. Not to mention, SM Naruto easily outmaneuvered 3rd Raikage using Frog Kata, and that was him using only an ordinary rasengan. Jiraiya's reflexes are on a good enough level as to where he can hit him with a rasengan.
Oonoki or Gaara can help Mei here. Either with a shield of sand or Oonoki giving her flight. Yes, the Kusanagi can levitate. But it's not going to be able to catch up to a speeding Mei on either Gaara's sand or flying on her own.
If Gaara and Mei are constantly moving, being chased around by a floating Kusanagi they will be at an overwhelming disadvantage. They don't have a way of getting rid of it, and they can't counterattack if they're constantly on the move. While they're being chased around with a sword, Jiraiya can finish them off with a massive AoE katon. Not to mention oil already can disable sand. And Onoki's flying speed isn't really that fast.
The frog song which takes ages to prepare? Which will also capture his allies, unless he shouts and alerts them to cover their ears or take some measure to prevent themselves from falling in it? Which would give the other faction a chance to counter? No.
Lol, Jiraiya already starts in SM so the prep time isn't that long. Just because Fukusaku and Shima are busy preparing the genjutsu doesn't mean Jiraiya and his boss summons can't still do battle. This battle is basically a timebomb for the kage, and they only have a certain amount of time to finish Jiraiya before the genjutsu starts and they are all immobilized. Katsuyu or Jiraiya can break the other Sannin out of genjutsu, so friendly fire isn't an issue.
And this is all not including Jinton, which demolishes any of them if/when caught.
Truth be told, until Orochimaru shows us more of his arsenal it's not really much a combination. It's an offensive fighter, a medic, and someone who just summons snakes primarily. .
Lol? You mean that a toad oil bullet will disarm Gaara's entire abilities? No. A worn out Gaara was capable of doing this [
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Triple Rashomon or whatever it is called is the main reason for Orochimaru's fatigue against Naruto. Doing so here would be pointless and only serve to waste chakra, it can be replenished sure. But Tsunade herself only has so much she can give. Mei's suiton isn't to be underestimated It's of massive sizes [
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] While it may not be able to stop the entire attack, it'll make for a formidable buffer against it and give the rest of the Kages, even her with the help of Oonoki or Gaara's sand, to escape.
Swamp of the Underworld is easily stopped by Oonoki's ability to give flight.
Mei's Mist isn't a factor.
Katon's can be stopped by Oonoki lowering or raising the ground around them. Giving them a make shift bunker against it, and any fire that may flow downwards into where the Kage are can be emt with a massive suiton.
Katsuyu will be shocked via Ay. As a being of mainly water, they'll be injured by hiding or relying on Katusuy too much. Not to mention beings made up of a majority of water is capable of being temporarily paralyzed when introduced to raiton.
Jiraiya is not catching a V2 Ay.
Oonoki or Gaara can help Mei here. Either with a shield of sand or Oonoki giving her flight. Yes, the Kusanagi can levitate. But it's not going to be able to catch up to a speeding Mei on either Gaara's sand or flying on her own.
The frog song which takes ages to prepare? Which will also capture his allies, unless he shouts and alerts them to cover their ears or take some measure to prevent themselves from falling in it? Which would give the other faction a chance to counter? No.
And this is all not including Jinton, which demolishes any of them if/when caught.
I didn't say one toad oil bullet will do the trick, but if Jiraiya summons about 3 boss toads and they are repeatedly spitting oil at the sand, it should be enough to disable it all. Remember, the location isn't a desert and the toads can spit oil as fast as Gaara can erode soil to make more sand - assuming that the toads don't disable Gaara's Ultimate Defense sand before he even gets an opportunity to make the desert.
Assuming that Jiraiya recognizes that Oil is an effective counter to Gaara's sand. No, the location is the same place that this feat occurred [
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] A part one feat, may I remind you. Gaara was back then easily capable of altering the landscape. And, the scan I provided in my last post had shown two massive sand arms spring up by a worn out Gaara in an environment that was more or less a barren waste land, not a desert. Once more. Gaara's going to be able to pretty easily continue his manipulation of sand.
Not to mention that Gaara doesn't have to act alone here. He has an expert doton and suiton user by his side. Either of them capable pf using a suiton or a doton to block against the oil onslaught. It's not like they'll allow themselves to be hit by the oil, afterall.
And if we wish to get technical, Jiraiya's oil may not be capable of replicating the feat of the Trollkage's. The latter's oil was described as a water-oil combination[
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I don't really get your point. How does Rashomon not completely block Mei's attack? If it's a matter of size, her water dragon is just not that big compared to the Rashomon Gates.
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See how the gates completely dwarf the forest which is full of tall trees? Whereas with Mei's suiton, she is still pretty big in comparison to the water dragon.
Oh no. It does. Completely. Except it's not a linear attack and can swirve out of the way. . . As it's shown to with less proficient suiton users than Mei [
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Summoning the three gates takes up an immense amount of chakra and is the reason as to why Orochimaru was in such a state after fighting Naruto. To do this would limit what he can do next, to counter his opponents (Don't expect just a single opponent to be fighting Orochimaru, several can come at him from different angles) but when/if Tsunade transfers chakra over to him, it's also taking a good bit out of her to just give Orochimaru this chakra back.
All in all, it's not a good idea for Orochimaru to do. Nor would it be a last minute counter to Mei's suiton if it guards against a high level katon or to block/stop the oil.
The reason i mentioned the swamp was so I could point out how massive earthen structures would get sunk if Onoki made them. If he makes his Rock Golem fly, it gets melted by Jiraiya's fire or tackled by frog summons jumping onto it.
Again, dark swamp. The bunker gets sunk into the ground.
Katsuyu is not going to be an offensive fighter in this battle. Her purpose here will probably be exclusively for healing.
No. Swamp of the Underworld has no place in this battle as Oonoki can make things fly. Jiraiya uses a katon? It's blocked by Sand or a suiton. The toads come to jump on it/him? Mei makes quick work of this with her lava release and burns any on coming toads.
And that's assuming they don't all take flight with Gaara's sand, to a safe vantage point to avoid any massive attacks.
No, but a common tactic is to remove the medics, as stated against Madara. They're not going to let Katsuyu/Tsunade go uncontested. When they see that Katsuyu can heal or provide a buffer for their opponents, Ay is going to be lightned by Ay and he is going to shock Katsuyu and her fragments.
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Speed =/= reflexes. If Ay tries to enter close combat, Jiraiya can make a gigantic rasengan since he's in SM. From there, it's a simple matter of making sure something massive like the rasengan at least brushes Ay. Not to mention, SM Naruto easily outmaneuvered 3rd Raikage using Frog Kata, and that was him using only an ordinary rasengan. Jiraiya's reflexes are on a good enough level as to where he can hit him with a rasengan.
Sage Mode Naruto had the benefit of being capable of sensing his opponents and frog kata. Both things Jiraiya lacks. Ir Jiraiya had Frog Kata, Pein would not of questioned it when he fought Naruto. Not to mention when fighting Pein there are two instances that make it obvious Jiraiya doesn't have the sensing capabilities of a perfect sage. Pa warning Jiraiya of an attack and the Preta Path catching Jiraiya off guard [
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A V2 Ay isn't getting hit by a massive Rasengan. He is actually going to be avoiding it easily.
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If Gaara and Mei are constantly moving, being chased around by a floating Kusanagi they will be at an overwhelming disadvantage. They don't have a way of getting rid of it, and they can't counterattack if they're constantly on the move. While they're being chased around with a sword, Jiraiya can finish them off with a massive AoE katon. Not to mention oil already can disable sand. And Onoki's flying speed isn't really that fast.
The Kusanagi isn't certainly fast on it's own, you know? It can levitate, not fly as quick speeds. And both won't be stopped and chased by a single sword, you know? With both of their impressive attack speeds, Gaara''s sand and Mei's suiton, they can counter. Nothing stops Mei from shooting out a suiton at the sword and blowing it away. Nor does anything from Gaara restraining the sword with his sand.
Already commented on the oil. And yes, Oonoki's speed isn't quick at all. . .He can only keep up with Deidara on his clay bird [
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Jiraiya still has two other opponents to worry about. Nor will he be using his oil so much in a battlefield when Tsunade and Orochimaru tend to be close ranged combatants.
Lol, Jiraiya already starts in SM so the prep time isn't that long. Just because Fukusaku and Shima are busy preparing the genjutsu doesn't mean Jiraiya and his boss summons can't still do battle. This battle is basically a timebomb for the kage, and they only have a certain amount of time to finish Jiraiya before the genjutsu starts and they are all immobilized. Katsuyu or Jiraiya can break the other Sannin out of genjutsu, so friendly fire isn't an issue.
The frog song requires a massive amount of prep. The prep starts on chapter 378 page ten [
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Not to mention if Oonoki makes Ay lighter, they will literally blitz Jiraiya. Leaving him in a horrid state or, if they so choose, ripping one of the toads off his shoulder. And yes, if you argue they wouldn't. If they don't have the confidence to finish Jiraiya off effectivly they'd target the small and vulnerable toads on his shoulders. Knowing they contribute to Jiraiya in some way shape or form. And don't expect Jiraiya to not fall victim to this. I said earlier they will be aiming for Tsunade first, while that is true. Ir iraiya gets in their way or provides an opening this is happening.
If the Sword of Kusanagi is chasing Onoki around, he can't stay still for long enough to prepare a jinton.
I thought the sword was chasing Mei and Gaara? But now it's following Oonoki? No. Oonoki is far too quick for the sword. He can either reduce it to ashes with jinton or ignore it. Most likely the former, though. Leaving him free to use jinton or help his allies as he sees fit.
Te body contributed, but the reason for exhaustion was the gates. He was doing fine up until he used that to stop the bijuu bomb. After that he was showing signs of fatigue.
They've already destroyed the spores the first time. The acidic mist, through brute force, et cetera. The only one i see having any issues with removal of them is Gaara.
it's current Orochimaru? That provides more of an issue. Mayflower is only somehwat useful, he's always had attack prevention.
