[Discussion] Sanji vs Trebol

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Sanji mid-diff., trebol is flammable so Sanji will win with moves like hell memories. His attacks are quite strong and was even noted so by Doffy.
 

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Sanji mid-diff., trebol is flammable so Sanji will win with moves like hell memories. His attacks are quite strong and was even noted so by Doffy.
He is a logia, so he is immune to the explosion when Sanji isn't. Hard to see what it will accomplish besides dying rapidely. The stronger the fire attack, the stronger the explosion and closer to death will Sanji be
 

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He is a logia, so he is immune to the explosion when Sanji isn't. Hard to see what it will accomplish besides dying rapidely. The stronger the fire attack, the stronger the explosion and closer to death will Sanji be
I doubt it'll hurt Sanji as much as what you're making it out to be. He still wins mid-diff.
 

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His body was damaged by Caesar gastanet which i'd say could be pretty similar. Trebol possess similar abilities to the smiley in PH but more than that as well. Also in tge end it wont accomplish much i think since Trebol is immune to the explosion
Bullshit, being able to create an explosion with your ability doesn't make you immune to explosions.

Ceasar would also die if there was no air around, Whitebeard can also die of the consequences of an earthquake. The best example might even be how Lassoo the Daschhund blew himself up at molehill 4th avenue.
 

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He is a logia, so he is immune to the explosion when Sanji isn't. Hard to see what it will accomplish besides dying rapidely. The stronger the fire attack, the stronger the explosion and closer to death will Sanji be
He isn't immune to the explosion because he is the explosion. He would be turned into an explosion if Sanji used Diable Janbe or Hell Memories.
 

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I doubt it'll hurt Sanji as much as what you're making it out to be. He still wins mid-diff.
Caesar gastanet explosion managed to hurt Sanji's body, so i think a stronger attack like Hell Memories may create a even stronger explosive radius that will damage him much more if not worse. And you have yet to explain how Sanji wins mid diff


He isn't immune to the explosion because he is the explosion. He would be turned into an explosion if Sanji used Diable Janbe or Hell Memories.
And? It's not like the explosion is made of haki or kairoseki, so the logia intangibility still applies. I don't see him damaged by a substance he is made off anyway. It's like Magellan being poisoned by his poison. Unless you can prove it, what you're saying is wrong especially when it's contradicted by the manga(the dwarves explosion example)
 
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Caesar gastanet explosion managed to hurt Sanji's body, so i think a stronger attack like Hell Memories may create a even stronger explosive radius that will damage him much more if not worse. And you have yet to explain how Sanji wins mid diff


And? It's not like the explosion is made of haki or kairoseki. I don't see him damaged by a substance he is made off anyway. Unless you can prove it, what you're saying is wrong especially when it's contradicted by the manga(the dwarves explosion example)
I don't recall Sanji getting hurt from caesar's gastanent explosion, wasn't it luffy? Trebol isn't immune to explosions like Macho stated. I told you, Trebol is flammable so Sanji already has an advantage and Sanji showed better feats to tank an explosion. His speed/strength exceeds Trebol as well. Trebol has amazing reaction reflexes which is why this is a mid-diff. fight.
 
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And? It's not like the explosion is made of haki or kairoseki, so the logia intangibility still applies. I don't see him damaged by a substance he is made off anyway. It's like Magellan being poisoned by his poison. Unless you can prove it, what you're saying is wrong especially when it's contradicted by the manga(the dwarves explosion example)
That's completly different because Magellan is made out of poison, but Trebol is not an explosion man. I see gladius and Mr. 5 surviving explosions because that would be part of their ability.

Don't you remember Smiley who was made out of explosive and poisonous gas ? He blew up when he came in contact with fire. If Sanji is able to detonate Trebol he will blow up.

Akainu also was injured in the war by bombs, that logia can reassemble whenever they take a hit is irrelevant. Because the damage is done, if it wasn't enough it only means the explosion wasn't strong enough to kill him.

Bottom line is that Trebol can take damage from his own explosion because it isn't part of his ability, that he can put himeself back together after an explosion is a different story, that is because he is a logia and not because he is a beta beta man. Logia powers or intangibility isn't limited to his fruit, it applies to all logia.
 

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Caesar gastanet explosion managed to hurt Sanji's body, so i think a stronger attack like Hell Memories may create a even stronger explosive radius that will damage him much more if not worse. And you have yet to explain how Sanji wins mid diff


And? It's not like the explosion is made of haki or kairoseki, so the logia intangibility still applies. I don't see him damaged by a substance he is made off anyway. It's like Magellan being poisoned by his poison. Unless you can prove it, what you're saying is wrong especially when it's contradicted by the manga(the dwarves explosion example)
His body is the explosion

His body is the explosion

His body is the explosion



Trebol's intangibility isn't going to help him when his entire body is the thing that is exploding.
 

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His body is the explosion

His body is the explosion

His body is the explosion



Trebol's intangibility isn't going to help him when his entire body is the thing that is exploding.
Yeah i read that, still doesn't explain how it will damage him when his body is a logia. At worse, Trebol will just reassemble himself back together. It's like Baby5(not even a logia) who can transform herself in an explosive missile and after destruction, can pull herself back together using the debris
 
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Sanji's speed and physical strength > Trebol ...from what we got until now. The only problem is Trebol sticky DF that can explode, so I think Sanji's DJ can burn Trebol and before he explode, Sanji can use his speed to avoid the explosion.
I give it to Sanji, mid - high diff ...
 

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Yeah i read that, still doesn't explain how it will damage him when his body is a logia. At worse, Trebol will just reassemble himself back together. It's like Baby5(not even a logia) who can transform herself in an explosive missile and after destruction, can pull herself back together using the debris
If explosion cannot damage him, then kick imbued with Haki can damage him ...
 

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If explosion cannot damage him, then kick imbued with Haki can damage him ...
Did Sanji ever display armament in the timeskip though? Hard to say. And like i've said, the sticky substance would still be a problem. It could hold off even Chinjao(who is a powerhouse)
 

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Did Sanji ever display armament in the timeskip though? Hard to say. And like i've said, the sticky substance would still be a problem. It could hold off even Chinjao(who is a powerhouse)
Sanji have CoA, as it stated by Luffy (CH. 668).... so Sanji can use DJ imbued with Haki, this sticky substance will explode ... and so on ...
 

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Sanji have CoA, as it stated by Luffy (CH. 668).... so Sanji can use DJ imbued with Haki, this sticky substance will explode ... and so on ...
He said he had haki but he didn't specify which type. Not to mention there is still the question around how proficient he is with it and its interaction with Trebol who can well be a haki user as well. Hence i said without feats its hard to say
 

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He said he had haki but he didn't specify which type. Not to mention there is still the question around how proficient he is with it and its interaction with Trebol who can well be a haki user as well. Hence i said without feats its hard to say
That is obvious when Luffy said haki means 'both CoA & CoO' or 'only CoA', because Luffy give statement after Law talking about handle CC as logia user. Okey we don't know how well Sanji's CoA compared to Trebol,... but physical strength also become a factor on this fight...and we got until now Sanji's physical strength > Trebol ...
 
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He said he had haki but he didn't specify which type. Not to mention there is still the question around how proficient he is with it and its interaction with Trebol who can well be a haki user as well. Hence i said without feats its hard to say
He beat up Caribou, that's why it was confirmed.

When Law asked of who has Haki to fight the logia Cesear, Sanji's name came up.

Just wanted to put that out there for you.

But Trebol seemed sufficient in fighting Haki users, especially after that radio knife.
 
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