[Spoilers] sanji somehow got even more pathetic

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

seriously why is it ok to have threads about hate on sanji this much and when his fans (myself included)defend him are looked at as wrong

yet when threads about favs like zoro mihawk sabo are created just wanking them that it is perfectly alright for them to openly wank thier faves can someone please help me understand this...

because this is really stupid like for the people responding to the sanji hate just let it go

as for the people who create threads like this.. please do me a favor and just go outside. stop staring at your computer and get out of being a troll and make something with your lives... if you are so dedicated in making threads just to argue with others I am pretty sure you can find other things in life that can help you grow and develope as a person, rather then stay a cyber troll...


PS: if triggered by my statement then log off your just proving my point.

 

[Punk Hazard]

seriously why is it ok to have threads about hate on sanji this much and when his fans (myself included)defend him are looked at as wrong

yet when threads about favs like zoro mihawk sabo are created just wanking them that it is perfectly alright for them to openly wank thier faves can someone please help me understand this...

because this is really stupid like for the people responding to the sanji hate just let it go

as for the people who create threads like this.. please do me a favor and just go outside. stop staring at your computer and get out of being a troll and make something with your lives... if you are so dedicated in making threads just to argue with others I am pretty sure you can find other things in life that can help you grow and develope as a person, rather then stay a cyber troll...


PS: if triggered by my statement then log off your just proving my point.

It's funny how the same people saying a character who's shown a myriad of emotions and facets in this arc is underdeveloped worships a character with two emotions.

 

[ToshiZO]

He's showing tons of emotions = must be good writing.

Lmfao, stick to colouring books.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He's showing tons of emotions = must be good writing.

Lmfao, stick to colouring books.

When those emotions are appropriate to the story and setting, yeah. Sanji's character has been well-written this arc. One bad nosebleed gag won't change that, no matter how badly you want it to. If you choose to focus on that over the emotionally heavy development between him, his family, and Luffy, that's really just you making a stupid decision for the sake of being able to complain about something.

 

[ToshiZO]

Speaking of Sanji's development.

Oda took Sanji's character chewed him up and spit him out this arc. Trying to force him as this "nicest" guy [

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], when Sanji is literally the biggest **** among the strawhats, all for the sake of theatrics.

Sanji was ignoring kidnapped and drugged innocent children back in PH, he was completely against Nami saving them, saying "we aren't running a rescue charity" [

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]. He called Zoro a sympathizer and told Chopper to stop treating Wiper back in Skypeia to let him die [

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] , in Zou he was hesitant to save the minks despite the fact that they were all near death [

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]. He also told Zoro to let Smoker die in Alabasta.

Suddenly the rapists, murderers, unofficial Celestial Dragon 2.0 Vinsmokes have to be saved, screw the much more innocent lives I didn't care about or was skeptical to save, I am so kind and this is what is obviously expected from me.

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Cringed when this scene happened.

His character was literally dropped on the spot, to get some fans teary eyed. Cheap drama, that's bait writing.

Sanji is by far the coldest strawhat who makes selfish and necessary decisions for the sake of the strawhats, now he's suddenly expected to put the strawhats in danger for the bottom of the barrel because he is so kind? Ugh I wish could unsee this arc, not a good look from Oda, forgetting his own characters is something I would expect from Kishimoto. One thing I do expect Oda to do is throw everything aside for the sake of theatrics, and it might be working on a couple of Sanji apologists, but I'm glad people are starting to notice this bs.

At this point I'm just cheering when this Robin 2.0 is not on a panel, cause he keeps reminding me of the negatives of this arc, because there are so many positives aside from it, destroying a main character though can't just be brushed aside however, it's ruined the arc.

 

[Hexuze]

Sanji didn't get "more pathetic"...


Oda has just been consistent with his character.. that is all..

Please no more character bashing, or I'll have to ban you. :Sparks:

Call it whatever you'd like. It's bad writing on Oda's part. I guess he's not as competent as most people would like to think he is.

This has to be probably the weakest arc Oda has written. I rather go read the foxy arc and I'm waiting for Wano arc to start. This arc has too many low points and at times it felt like a chore to read.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Speaking of Sanji's development.

Oda took Sanji's character chewed him up and spit him out this arc. Trying to force him as this "nicest" guy [

You must be registered for see links

], when Sanji is literally the biggest **** among the strawhats, all for the sake of theatrics.

Sanji was ignoring kidnapped and drugged innocent children back in PH, he was completely against Nami saving them, saying "we aren't running a rescue charity" [

You must be registered for see links

]. He called Zoro a sympathizer and told Chopper to stop treating Wiper back in Skypeia to let him die [

You must be registered for see links

] , in Zou he was hesitant to save the minks despite the fact that they were all near death [

You must be registered for see links

]. He also told Zoro to let Smoker die in Alabasta.

Suddenly the rapists, murderers, unofficial Celestial Dragon 2.0 Vinsmokes have to be saved, screw the much more innocent lives I didn't care about or was skeptical to save, I am so kind and this is what is obviously expected from me.

Spoiler

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Cringed when this scene happened.

His character was literally dropped on the spot, to get some fans teary eyed. Cheap drama, that's bait writing.

Sanji is by far the coldest strawhat who makes selfish and necessary decisions for the sake of the strawhats, now he's suddenly expected to put the strawhats in danger for the bottom of the barrel because he is so kind? Ugh I wish could unsee this arc, not a good look from Oda, forgetting his own characters is something I would expect from Kishimoto. One thing I do expect Oda to do is throw everything aside for the sake of theatrics, and it might be working on a couple of Sanji apologists, but I'm glad people are starting to notice this bs.

At this point I'm just cheering when this Robin 2.0 is not on a panel, cause he keeps reminding me of the negatives of this arc, because there are so many positives aside from it, destroying a main character though can't just be brushed aside however, it's ruined the arc.

Yeah, none of this doesn't change that we've seen Sanji having a kind nature. From feeding his mother, to volunteering to sacrifice himself for his crew multiple times to saving G-5, to feeding any that needs food, or standing up for the waitress/chef from his brothers(didn't even have a pervy moment with this one).

Also won't change that Sanji's other facets(passion for the culinary arts, his relationship with his crew and family, and his bond with his mother). No one is denying that there are lows, but there are definitely more highs.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

"A character must be cool 90% of the time to be likable...any sign of weakness means the character is sh!t"- shallow mentality....

Sanji gets nothing but hate while Zoro gets a free pass despite murdering someone, not allowing Usopp to comeback without an apology despite the dude putting his life on the line in Enies Lobby, letting a defenseless woman get her shoulder bitten off for sport, gets arrogant over the dumbest of things, gets lost on a stragiht path etc.. No problem in me saying any this since apparently, its fine to sh!t on Sanji's character over the smallest things & exaggerations. If you defend Zoro criticize this post, that makes you a hypocrite & someone with double standards.

Only in NB where people say the dumbest things and expect to be taken seriously, while trying to show how much they don't care by overusing emotes & "lol".

 

[ToshiZO]

"A character must be cool 90% of the time to be likable...any sign of weakness means the character is sh!t"- shallow mentality....

Sanji gets nothing but hate while Zoro gets a free pass despite murdering someone, not allowing Usopp to comeback without an apology despite the dude putting his life on the line in Enies Lobby, letting a defenseless woman get her shoulder bitten off for sport, gets arrogant over the dumbest of things, gets lost on a stragiht path etc.. No problem in me saying any this since apparently, its fine to sh!t on Sanji's character over the smallest things & exaggerations. If you defend Zoro criticize this post, that makes you a hypocrite & someone with double standards.

Only in NB where people say the dumbest things and expect to be taken seriously, while trying to show how much they don't care by overusing emotes & "lol".

Hope you're not referring to my post because what I said has nothing to do with this.

 

[LBeezy]

Idgaf what Vanderbıtch says..

I love Zoro and Sanji equally..


But even I can't deny that, Zoro > Sanji..


And it's funny cause according to the manga, Oda agrees.. xd

 

[ArabianLuffy]

One Piece Naruto war is over. Now Zoro Sanji war.

 

[Bogard]

"A character must be cool 90% of the time to be likable...any sign of weakness means the character is sh!t"- shallow mentality....

Sanji gets nothing but hate while Zoro gets a free pass despite murdering someone, not allowing Usopp to comeback without an apology despite the dude putting his life on the line in Enies Lobby, letting a defenseless woman get her shoulder bitten off for sport, gets arrogant over the dumbest of things, gets lost on a stragiht path etc.. No problem in me saying any this since apparently, its fine to sh!t on Sanji's character over the smallest things & exaggerations. If you defend Zoro criticize this post, that makes you a hypocrite & someone with double standards.

Only in NB where people say the dumbest things and expect to be taken seriously, while trying to show how much they don't care by overusing emotes & "lol".

What does Zoro have anything to do with this? Do you see people hiding behind Sanji's name in discussions whenever Zoro gets trashed daily in this forum? No, it's only the Sanji apologists who do that for some reasons as if they can't breath without bringing up Zoro's name. He is like their father, someone Sanji can't walk without. Another proof of this coming with this post

 

[Punk Hazard]

What does Zoro have anything to do with this? Do you see people hiding behind Sanji's name in discussions whenever Zoro gets trashed daily in this forum? No, it's only the Sanji apologists who do that for some reasons as if they can't breath without bringing up Zoro's name. He is like their father, someone Sanji can't walk without. Another proof of this coming with this post

Why do people keep saying this like Sanji and Zoro aren't natural comparison points due to their relationship in the series and how often it's debated who's better between them.

Sanji and Zoro are constantly pitted against each other by both Oda and the fans and you clowns act shocked and ask why it's happening every time. Because they're constantly portrayed as adversarial.

Add in the fact that the people here who hate on Sanji overly wank Zoro, it's pretty obvious why it happens.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Close the thread. It's so boring.

 

[Bogard]

Why do people keep saying this like Sanji and Zoro aren't natural comparison points due to their relationship in the series and how often it's debated who's better between them.

Sanji and Zoro are constantly pitted against each other by both Oda and the fans and you clowns act shocked and ask why it's happening every time. Because they're constantly portrayed as adversarial.

Add in the fact that the people here who hate on Sanji overly wank Zoro, it's pretty obvious why it happens.

Because they're not the same character and thus their way of thinking should never be compared to one another, they don't have the same purpose in the manga, they don't have the same goal. When i discuss about Zoro in a thread related to him, the thought of Sanji never even come close to register in my mind and vice-versa. In Sanji threads, i just give my fair opinions concerning what i think depending on the topic, but since the apologists are too sensitive, when i give a positive thought about him, everyone is happy but when i give a negative thought about him, it becomes a circus where they become so desperate they need to hide behind their father Zoro. There is no other answer to this than it just being an act of either inferiority complex or pure insecurity

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because they're not the same character and thus their way of thinking should never be compared to one another, they don't have the same purpose in the manga, they don't have the same goal. When i discuss about Zoro in a thread related to him, the thought of Sanji never even come close to register in my mind and vice-versa. In Sanji threads, i just give my fair opinions concerning what i think depending on the topic, but since the apologists are too sensitive, when i give a positive thought about him, everyone is happy but when i give a negative thought about him, it becomes a circus where they become so desperate they need to hide behind their father Zoro. There is no other answer to this than it just being an act of either inferiority complex or pure insecurity

None of this changes that comparisons between them can be valid. For example, Vandereich's posts pointing out all the cold things Zoro has done is a valid comparison point in response to Toshi's post because he outright said Sanji is the coldest. His post provides examples of Zoro being just as cold if not colder.

It has nothing to do with inferiority complexes or insecurities, and you know that. It has everything to do with Sanji and Zoro simply being the most readily available for comparisons. Is every comparison between them going to be valid, no. But has there been an invalid one so far in this thread? Also no. This is just a cheap attempt to make it seem like you're "debunking" arguments, when you're just basically tossing buzzwords around.

 

[Bogard]

None of this changes that comparisons between them can be valid. For example, Vandereich's posts pointing out all the cold things Zoro has done is a valid comparison point in response to Toshi's post because he outright said Sanji is the coldest. His post provides examples of Zoro being just as cold if not colder.

It has nothing to do with inferiority complexes or insecurities, and you know that. It has everything to do with Sanji and Zoro simply being the most readily available for comparisons. Is every comparison between them going to be valid, no. But has there been an invalid one so far in this thread? Also no. This is just a cheap attempt to make it seem like you're "debunking" arguments, when you're just basically tossing buzzwords around.

Once again, they're not the same character. If A and B act the same way, but in A's case it's something he usually does when in B's case it never happened before, it'd be perceived as something out of character for him. Why do you think you guys are insisting in bringing up Zoro in discussions if it's not inferiority complex or insecurity? With that said, i don't even know why i bothered with a Sanji apologist. I'm out of this stupid thread

 

[Punk Hazard]

Once again, they're not the same character. If A and B act the same way, but in A's case it's something he usually does when in B's case it never happened before, it'd be perceived as something out of character for him.

This isn't relevant though. No one here is even talking about "out of character" and "being in character." The entire reasons the comparisons have been made here is because of hypocritical approaches. Either people disliking Sanji for something that can be applied to other characters that they don't show the same dislike for, or criticizing Sanji for something that's better than what a character they laud over has displayed.

Why do you think you guys are insisting in bringing up Zoro in discussions if it's not inferiority complex or insecurity? With that said, i don't even know why i bothered with a Sanji apologist. I'm out of this stupid thread

Why do you insist on ignoring that other Strawhats have been brought up in this discussion, not just Zoro? Why do you insist on turning a blind eye to the argument that was "Usopp vs Sanji" a few pages ago but suddenly your underwear is miles deep in your anus when Zoro is used as the comparison point? Sounds like the insecurity is lying in the "Oh no meh Zoro hypes" and you can't stand to see someone paint him in a critical light.

Edit: It's also funny how Toshi is the one who opened up the door for comparisons to other Strawhats by saying that Sanji is the coldest of them all, an argument that is 100% about comparison between character A and B, but Vandereich is in the wrong for going through that door with Zoro? Gives the impression that you're not even critical of the idea of comparing Character A and Character B, since you make no mention of Toshi comparing Sanji to every Strawhat, you really are just upset that people are making comparisons with your precious Zoro. If it's too much for your little heart, just scroll away dude.

 

[Bogard]

Lmao i wanted to stop, but i think there is something i need to clarify before it goes out of hand again. The characters i care the most about are maybe Ace and Cavendish and even for them, i never really bother much when it comes to how people think of them since i'm the self-centered type of guy who only care about what he think of himself, so sorry to tell it to you, but eventhough Zoro is also in my top5, what people think of him, i honestly don't care one bit.

You talk about that topic as if it was something new when you already should know how things are going whenever Zoro is the topic of discussion especially when you're the leader of that trash-talk Zoro faction, especially when your dear Sanji is concerned. That's why while before i was trying to go with the flow and arguing/or ignoring regardless of what would happen, ending up creating useless 100pages of debates, nowadays, in order not to ruin the section, i try a different approach in order to stop that stupid insecurity of the Sanji apologists right away.

Still not sure if it's the right way to do though. Just thinking.... Now you can continue your daily thing if you want. I'm truly out now

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmao i wanted to stop, but i think there is something i need to clarify before it goes out of hand again. The characters i care the most about are maybe Ace and Cavendish and even for them, i never really bother much when it comes to how people think of them since i'm the self-centered type of guy who only care about what he think of himself, so sorry to tell it to you, but eventhough Zoro is also in my top5, what people think of him, i honestly don't care one bit.

Uhm. Okay lol. None of this changes that you ignored the comparisons made with other Strawhats then just had run to protest Zoro lmao.

You talk about that topic as if it was something new when you already should know how things are going whenever Zoro is the topic of discussion especially when you're the leader of that trash-talk Zoro faction, especially when your dear Sanji is concerned. That's why while before i was trying to go with the flow and arguing/or ignoring regardless of what would happen, ending up creating useless 100pages of debates, nowadays, in order not to ruin the section, i try a different approach in order to stop that stupid insecurity of the Sanji apologists right away.

So you waited until Zoro was mentioned because you wanted to stop debates from raging for many pages before it happened?

*looks at page count*

Yeah good job, buddy, you really nipped that in the bud.

Still not sure if it's the right way to do though. Just thinking.... Now you can continue your daily thing if you want. I'm truly out now

Bye then?