[Discussion] Sanji isn't as impressiva as Luffy and Zoro after the Timeskip.

[~Ethereal~]

Sanji is awesome, no matter.

 

[Anarkist]

Is this because Sanji got beaten by Doflamingo? Luffy got beaten too and I'm sure Zoro did too.
Although I will agree with Luffy>=Zoro>>Sanji
Luffy's and Zoro's strength plus their incredible endurance puts them over Sanji. Think about it, Sanji most likely would not have survived Luffy's pain from Kuma and he wouldn't have survived Mihawk's slash in part 1.
Until we see a proper fight between the two, we won't know the real answer.

 

[Bogard]

Well like Smoker he had some bad luck. Although you are comparing him here to 2supernovas

 

[Bhil]

Sanji is sand bagging, he obviously can defeat Luffy and Zoro but that would ruin the series. Now Oda did this so he could keep Sanji at a fair level so he wouldn't wreck everyone.

 

[Trolling King]

He can fly from just brute strength. Your argument is invalid

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

No gears Luffy >=Zoro > Sanji

Gears Luffy is overkill

 

[Gintõki1]

Again a thread about Sanji comparing to Luffy/Zoro!

Usopp > Zoro/Luffy.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Wtf had Zoro shown during time skip ?

 

[NarutoBestFanboy]

Zoro trained with the worlds greatest swordsman
Lufy trained with the pirate kings first mate
Sanji... ran from crossdressing trannys for 2 years.

 

[Fireplay]

Get real. Replace Sanji with Zoro and he still would've gotten the same treatment. Oda doesn't pit Zoro in battles he can't win due to the promise Zoro made to Luffy and Mihawk. Zoro is fighting Fuji now...so? we know Fuji would spank him but in order for Oda to keep his promise this fight will be inconclusive.

After his loss to Mihawk, Zoro promised Luffy and Mihawk that he would never lose again.

 

[deva pein]

Get real. Replace Sanji with Zoro and he still would've gotten the same treatment. Oda doesn't pit Zoro in battles he can't win due to the promise Zoro made to Luffy and Mihawk. Zoro is fighting Fuji now...so? we know Fuji would spank him but in order for Oda to keep his promise this fight will be inconclusive.

After his loss to Mihawk, Zoro promised Luffy and Mihawk that he would never lose again.

He doesn't put Zoro in battles he can't win?
He lost against Kuma, Enel and Kizaru.
Zoro would not get powned as badly as Sanji was. His Haki must me at the point where he can resist Parasite. I'm not saying that Zoro would own Doffy but he would not get beaten as quickly as Sanji was. Same with Vergo.

 

[LuffyWantsMeat]

Sure your probably right Sanji may not be as strong as Zoro but one of your arguments in particular is unreasonable. I don't think it does Sanji justice to say that he should have haki superior to Vergo's it was said in the manga that vergo had some of the strongest if not the strongest armament out there(obviously that was disproved by Traflagar) so saying Sanji, Who just found out about Haki and probably didn't have much training in it since his training was basically just running from Okama's and cooking, should have been able to compare to Vergo is completely out of the question and on top of that we have no real reason to believe that Zoro could have done any better. But that being said Sanji is the cook he doesn't have to be as strong as Zoro and Luffy just stronger than the rest.
Luffy>Zoro>Sanji < god Usopp

 

[deva pein]

Sure your probably right Sanji may not be as strong as Zoro but one of your arguments in particular is unreasonable. I don't think it does Sanji justice to say that he should have haki superior to Vergo's it was said in the manga that vergo had some of the strongest if not the strongest armament out there(obviously that was disproved by Traflagar) so saying Sanji, Who just found out about Haki and probably didn't have much training in it since his training was basically just running from Okama's and cooking, should have been able to compare to Vergo is completely out of the question and on top of that we have no real reason to believe that Zoro could have done any better. But that being said Sanji is the cook he doesn't have to be as strong as Zoro and Luffy just stronger than the rest.
Luffy>Zoro>Sanji < god Usopp

I understand you but his Haki was almost not there, and that while Vergo didn't use Armament Hardening (Black Defense). Zoro is said to specialize in Armament Haki so I would assume his Haki is at least as strong as Smoker's. Vergo had to use Armament Hardening to overpower Smokers Haki. The same with the fight with Doflamingo. Parasite is a move just like Laws Room, where you have to have a certain amount of Haki to resist it. Sanji failed to do that completely, but I don't think that will happen with Zoro because he is the Armament specialist.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

He doesn't put Zoro in battles he can't win?
He lost against Kuma, Enel and Kizaru.
Zoro would not get powned as badly as Sanji was. His Haki must me at the point where he can resist Parasite. I'm not saying that Zoro would own Doffy but he would not get beaten as quickly as Sanji was. Same with Vergo.

What Haki .-. ?? I kno he has it but u talk as if he shown something

And also rewind the reason sanji leg got fractured is because of nami previously being in his body and getting it ****ed up..

If Zoro had nami in his body and she got it ****ed up and then went to fight against vergo he would've had his swords broken

 

[A v i]

What Haki .-. ?? I kno he has it but u talk as if he shown something

And also rewind the reason sanji leg got fractured is because of nami previously being in his body and getting it ****ed up..

If Zoro had nami in his body and she got it ****ed up and then went to fight against vergo he would've had his swords broken

Dafuq?

Did you miss the thriller bark arc? When Zoro decided to sacrifice himself, he was not only badly injured from his own battles but also took all of Luffy's pain and was still standing there like a baws where as even Luffy was usconscious because of his own injuries yet you are telling me that those lamass attacks can put a dent on Zoro's body? Lmao,not even sure if serious.

 

[Fireplay]

He doesn't put Zoro in battles he can't win?
He lost against Kuma, Enel and Kizaru.
Zoro would not get powned as badly as Sanji was. His Haki must me at the point where he can resist Parasite. I'm not saying that Zoro would own Doffy but he would not get beaten as quickly as Sanji was. Same with Vergo.

Firstly

He didn't lose against Kuma because the fight was inconclusive and he knew he couldn't win so he exchanged his own life to Luffy's. He didn't lose.

He didn't lose to or fight Kizaru. He couldn't even see Kizaru+he was still handicapped from the whole Kuma incident. He simply took a beam to the chest and was saved by Rayleigh. It wasn't a fight.

Vs Enel, Zoro tried but he couldn't even hit him. Also, Wiper jumped in.

Tell me...after getting oneshotted by Mihawk have you ever actually seen Zoro straight lose a 1v1 fight without excuse?
Even against Fuji the fight was inconclusive.
When Zoro fights, Oda makes sure he's either handicapped, he wins or the fight is inconclusive
Zoro would have gotten owned just as badly as Sanji. See what DD did to Luffy?

And what do you base your claim of resisting Parasite needing Haki? And what makes you think Zoro has strong enough Haki to resist it?

Until proven otherwise resisting Parasite has nothing to do with Haki. Hell, even Jozu couldn't do shit against it. Your indirectly claiming that Zoro's Haki>Jozu's.

 

[NarutovsLuffy]

Sanji will show off his new technique or style after Dressrosa

 

[sravan]

i laugh when people say Zorro=luffy get real i believe the gap in between luffy & Zorro = gap between Zorro & sanji.so it will always be
luffy>Zorro>sanji and jimbei>Zorro.still we have to see M3 in an all out battle

 

[deva pein]

Firstly

He didn't lose against Kuma because the fight was inconclusive and he knew he couldn't win so he exchanged his own life to Luffy's. He didn't lose.

He didn't lose to or fight Kizaru. He couldn't even see Kizaru+he was still handicapped from the whole Kuma incident. He simply took a beam to the chest and was saved by Rayleigh. It wasn't a fight.

Vs Enel, Zoro tried but he couldn't even hit him. Also, Wiper jumped in.

Tell me...after getting oneshotted by Mihawk have you ever actually seen Zoro straight lose a 1v1 fight without excuse?
Even against Fuji the fight was inconclusive.
When Zoro fights, Oda makes sure he's either handicapped, he wins or the fight is inconclusive
Zoro would have gotten owned just as badly as Sanji. See what DD did to Luffy?

And what do you base your claim of resisting Parasite needing Haki? And what makes you think Zoro has strong enough Haki to resist it?

Until proven otherwise resisting Parasite has nothing to do with Haki. Hell, even Jozu couldn't do shit against it. Your indirectly claiming that Zoro's Haki>Jozu's.

Oh now it is that he got beaten with an excuse? If I remember correctly Sanji also didn't lose without a good excuse.
And Jozu was caught off guard by Parasite, while Doflamingo was in front off Sanji the whole time.
If Parasite can't be resisted with Haki than Doflamingo is Yonko level. No one can resist him.

 

[deva pein]

i laugh when people say Zorro=luffy get real i believe the gap in between luffy & Zorro = gap between Zorro & sanji.so it will always be
luffy>Zorro>sanji and jimbei>Zorro.still we have to see M3 in an all out battle

Well Luffy sure is stronger then Zoro but the gap between them and Zoro and Sanji is a lot smaller after the timeskip. Jimbei and Zoro are probably even in strength and Sanji comes after that. He just isn't as impressive as Zoro and Luffy. Zoro was just panting a bit against an opponent of Vergo's level, while Vergo wasn't even fighting seriously against Sanji and still Sanji got messed up. The excuse of Nami f*cking up Sanji's body is bullsh*t because that doesn't have any effect on his defensive Haki or endurance. (Lack of black Haki aka Armament Hardening)