[Discussion] Sanji and Zoro getting King's Haki

[Olorin]

i disagree. Lets switch zoro and sanji. Zoro could easily defeat mr. 2 but could sanji have kicked mr. 1 steel body. And zoro would not have stopped when mr. 2 turned to nami. And in enies lobby. Zoro fought kaku of 2400 power in human form. And in girrafe form he was even stronger. But sanji defeated jyabura of 2200 power in his beast form.

didnt that ziplip guy say kaku became stronger with 2400 and than jyabura said that he might be stronger than him with 2400 to 2200 but after that he said that his DF can change that?

I could be wrong though

OT: if you read the manga thoroughly you get the impression that its Luffy>Zoro>=Sanji (at times Sanji shines, but on the other hand there are plenty of times that Zoro seems>Sanji, I think they are very very close but that Zoro is a bit stronger), Sanji is kinda Zoros rival altough be it in a comical way and it would be just cruel if Oda gave it to Zoro and not Sanji

 

[GofOfNothing]

didnt that ziplip guy say kaku became stronger with 2400 and than jyabura said that he might be stronger than him with 2400 to 2200 but after that he said that his DF can change that?

I could be wrong though

OT: if you read the manga thoroughly you get the impression that its Luffy>Zoro>=Sanji (at times Sanji shines, but on the other hand there are plenty of times that Zoro seems>Sanji, I think they are very very close but that Zoro is a bit stronger), Sanji is kinda Zoros rival altough be it in a comical way and it would be just cruel if Oda gave it to Zoro and not Sanji

Actually I wouldnt compare their strenght through their douriki. It was stated that the douriki only counts the power in terms of physical power in their normal state.
To be honest Rob Lucci was stronger than Luffy in almost any points. But the one thing all of the CP 9 never had is the Will that the Monster Trio has. And that was the Point which mattered (biggest part for Luffy).

Even though Sanji got rid of Jyabura with no big difficulties Jyabura wasnt that much stronger in his Zoan form in comparison with Kaku or Rob Lucci's Zoan form.

Zoros fight was so long because he had to fight an Enemy who changed every 5 pages to another form. And he even had to carry Usopp on his right hand.
I could list a lot of facts which would say Luffy<=>Zoro=>Sanji but this would be too long

 

[Love Cook]

It's a misconception to think that Oda writes those databooks btw.

He supplies sketches and drafts and stuff like that but he isn't the one who makes the text. Some examples that have lead to some discussion:

* Sabo was confirmed dead in a databook
* Bounties were released that Oda never gave

The only thing you can rely on are the manga, movies and filler where Oda is involved and SBS.

 

[GofOfNothing]

It's a misconception to think that Oda writes those databooks btw.

He supplies sketches and drafts and stuff like that but he isn't the one who makes the text. Some examples that have lead to some discussion:

* Sabo was confirmed dead in a databook
* Bounties were released that Oda never gave

The only thing you can rely on are the manga, movies and filler where Oda is involved and SBS.

Yeah the text is not from Oda. The writer asks questiones about each Person and they write down what Oda answers. And what Oda says is Canon.

And no you cant rely on Movies and Fillers even if Oda is involved there.
Oda said that he is not going to involve the Movies (Film Z) in the actual Story of the Manga.

 

[If I Mest]

Ima say they both will learn it but not kings of course... just less advanced then kings haki but more creative i guess...

 

[Kiiszame]

Of course there are.

"Zoro trusts Luffy and they quickly became companions that can entrust their lives into each others' hands. He can be said to be the pirate crew's vice-captain and a trustworthy companion.

Absolute trust in the captain!!
Follow the captain's orders without hesitation - this is the attitude that Zoro always has, because he has faith in Luffy from the bottom of his heart! He has an equal fighting power as Luffy and when the need arises, he will be the first person to charge forth. Even though he has a devil-like fighting capability, he recognizes Luffy's position as the captain. Moreover, even when Luffy makes the wrong decision, he will give his best to rectify the mistake and never complains. This is Zoro's attitude."

This is from the Yellow Databook which came up around TB-Arc.
I quoted that from an other page and cant assure that all of this is right. How I said its been a long time since I read it.
But it should be that though.

And no he never talked about a captain being weaker than him. He said that they would need a new captain if he couldnt do that much (Defeat 50.000 Fishmen with his Kings Haki)

That perfectly describes Zoro. Especially when he took the pain from luffy. When Kuma took it from luffy and Zoro took it for his captain.
Kuma even said he was a great crew or somthing along those line.

 

[Kiiszame]

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Zoro has the ultimate loyalty towards luffy. After this moment it was very apparent.
Even Kuma acknowledged it.
How zoro survived this moment is amazing.

 

[GofOfNothing]

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Zoro has the ultimate loyalty towards luffy. After this moment it was very apparent.
Even Kuma acknowledged it.
How zoro survived this moment is amazing.

Yes it is. It is notable to mention that while Luffy fell unconscious after he defeated Moria due to his agony and exhaustion, Zoro, on the other hand, not only managed to survive but remained conscious even after accumulating all of the pain and fatigue he and Luffy had sustained, purely by sheer force of will.
This part you showed there is in my Opinion the proof that Zoro has the highest endurance.

 

[ziggyZ]

i disagree. Lets switch zoro and sanji. Zoro could easily defeat mr. 2 but could sanji have kicked mr. 1 steel body. And zoro would not have stopped when mr. 2 turned to nami. And in enies lobby. Zoro fought kaku of 2400 power in human form. And in girrafe form he was even stronger. But sanji defeated jyabura of 2200 power in his beast form.

What I'm saying is they'll both defeat them with the same difficulty. And, Sanji could defeat Daz. How? (pure speculation) Goda could've made it Sanji's goal to break steel with his foot because Zeff has never been able to do it. So Sanji wants to surpass him with his feet and knowing Goda, he could easily make sense of what I just said.

Also, doruki doesn't measure DF power so I don't know why you would include Jyabura's DF form in you analysis/statistics.

 

[Kiiszame]

Yes it is. It is notable to mention that while Luffy fell unconscious after he defeated Moria due to his agony and exhaustion, Zoro, on the other hand, not only managed to survive but remained conscious even after accumulating all of the pain and fatigue he and Luffy had sustained, purely by sheer force of will.
This part you showed there is in my Opinion the proof that Zoro has the highest endurance.

that is amazing. Zoro is a beast. The fact he lived and survived it shows how awesome he is.
Side Note: He will get conquerers haki. Same way rayleigh has it.

 

[Love Cook]

Yeah the text is not from Oda. The writer asks questiones about each Person and they write down what Oda answers. And what Oda says is Canon.

And no you cant rely on Movies and Fillers even if Oda is involved there.
Oda said that he is not going to involve the Movies (Film Z) in the actual Story of the Manga.

So if Oda answers questions and they get published in a extra magazine -> canon
If Oda is directly involved in fillers, Strong world even got a chapter and Z was overseen -> Not cannon

You're contradicting yourself just so it would suit you and your arguments better. There is no reason to believe that Zoro is on the same level as Luffy.

The manga made it clear that Zoro is closer to Sanji than he is to Luffy.

 

[GofOfNothing]

So if Oda answers questions and they get published in a extra magazine -> canon
If Oda is directly involved in fillers, Strong world even got a chapter and Z was overseen -> Not cannon

You're contradicting yourself just so it would suit you and your arguments better. There is no reason to believe that Zoro is on the same level as Luffy.

The manga made it clear that Zoro is closer to Sanji than he is to Luffy.

No you misunderstood me.
In Youtube we got a lot of videos about the Movie Film Z.
But in one of them it was said that Oda doesnt want to Involve the Movie into the actual Manga.
So if the Straw Hats Crew meets Aokiji its gonna be like that it was the first time they met after the TS.
You have to consider that a few things in Film Z arent the same like in the Manga. For example the Marine HQ in Film Z is not the same one in the Mangas.
I could be wrong though.
What Oda says is Canon. And when he says that Luffy<=>Zoro than I wont ask why.
I even said in my posts before that I believed that Luffy is a bit stronger than Zoro and that Zoro is a bit stronger than Sanji.
In my Opinion all 3 are overall equal fighters with a few differences if we consider Haki.
A fight between them could end in any way.

 

[Love Cook]

No you misunderstood me.
In Youtube we got a lot of videos about the Movie Film Z.
But in one of them it was said that Oda doesnt want to Involve the Movie into the actual Manga.
So if the Straw Hats Crew meets Aokiji its gonna be like that it was the first time they met after the TS.
You have to consider that a few things in Film Z arent the same like in the Manga. For example the Marine HQ in Film Z is not the same one in the Mangas.
I could be wrong though.
What Oda says is Canon. And when he says that Luffy<=>Zoro than I wont ask why.
I even said in my posts before that I believed that Luffy is a bit stronger than Zoro and that Zoro is a bit stronger than Sanji.
In my Opinion all 3 are overall equal fighters with a few differences if we consider Haki.
A fight between them could end in any way.

Ah ok, in that case I agree 100%

 

[Fujitora]

@God: Fight between M3 go either way? I don't think so lol. Luffy>Zoro>Sanji, and I think Zoro is closer to the former.

With the abilities Luffy/Sanji showed, I highly doubt they could beat Mr.1 at that time. But if Oda were to chose to have either of them fight him, they'd eventually win xd

 

[UzumakiClan]

i want MR 2 to join the crew

 

[Rand al'Thor]

nobody has it..you dont get it..~_~
you are born with it

 

[Kiiszame]

nobody has it..you dont get it..~_~
you are born with it

Luffy ddnt have it. now he has it.
they could have it they just havnt unlocked it.
Zoro has it (Or will unlock it). Sanji doesnt

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

What are the chances of them getting it and would you like it?

Personaly I can see them getting it if the rest of the crew starts learning Haki but it would be kinda meh.

I would like it to be something Luffy,the captain posseses and noone else on his crew.
But even if it did happen I wouldnt be 100% against it.Would be pretty cool seeing them use it for the first time (subconciously without realizing it) since it would probably be a pretty epic moment that pushed them into using it like with Luffy in Marineford(even tho he used it before)

Sanji won't, but zoro has it.

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[The 1 who knows]

i thought zoro already had it....he used it at the groove near the auction house against some bounty hunters?

 

[Pekoms]

i thought zoro already had it....he used it at the groove near the auction house against some bounty hunters?

That was merely his killing intent and generally epic nature.​