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Goodnight Sweet Prince.
Sandaime Raikage[EjBlack] vs. Jinchuriki Gaara[DrProof]
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I'd firstly like to point this out:
This is sayin that due to the great prowess of Long-Range attacks the Suna Bunshin possesses , the luring, and decoying of the Suna Bunshin itself is beyond superior to that of any other Bunshins (in Part One). That's where it draws the line with other Bunshin.
Now here's where you're wrong. You quote that Suna Bunshin does not completely assume the form of the user, and that it remains sand the entire time. Yes the Suna Bunshin (as the name says Sand) will remain Sand, and Chakra (Gaara uses Chakra to manipulate his Sand) the same substance (excluding Sand) of which normal Kage Bushins are made out of.
The part about Gaara's Suna Bunshin not being able to assume the form of the user is incorrect beyond comprehension, and here's why:
In the same fight against the Nidaime Mizukage, Gaara replaced, and fooled the Nidaime Mizukage with a Sand Bunshin. How he fooled the Mizukage well by completely refuting that quote you've linked:
In that scan, Gaara's Suna Bunshin completely assumed the form of Oonoki fooling the Mizukage. Now think, if Gaara's Suna Bunshin couldn't completely assume the form of the user, then the Mizukage would of recognized a sandy exterior.
The second interpretation of Assume is also debunked by the same fight I previously linked. Here, the Mizukage questions, and involuntarily states that
Going along with your ideals though, that true Bunshins have the power of responsibility here Gaara's Suna Bunshin freely was
Above all else, you're missing one very important point: Change.
Change, that is the irrefutable point you're missing. Remember when Naruto was simply terrible with the performing the Kage Bunshin technique? Now he's probably the best Kage Bunshin user in the Manga. Or how Sasuke with his Chidori at first could only use it in CQC battles? Now he can use it Mid-Long Range with the different variations he's created with it.
Change man. Time brings Change, and with Change brings New things. That's why using the First Databook isn't a good source for Techniques that have been seen later on in the Manga, because the user(s) are always showing us something new.
Gaara for example:
I. Wasn't able to completely assume the User(s) in which the Suna Bunshin took on
II. Wasn't able to control Shukaku (His tailed beast)
Relying on the First Databook shouldn't be done, as things change. That is all that really needs to be said here. My OP still stands, The Sandaime Raikage is cornered like a helpless rat, I'm awaiting for you to counter the formation.
By the way, this is my last post if we're still going to debate rather or not Gaara can multiply his Suna Bunshin.
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I'd firstly like to point this out:
This is sayin that due to the great prowess of Long-Range attacks the Suna Bunshin possesses , the luring, and decoying of the Suna Bunshin itself is beyond superior to that of any other Bunshins (in Part One). That's where it draws the line with other Bunshin.
Now here's where you're wrong. You quote that Suna Bunshin does not completely assume the form of the user, and that it remains sand the entire time. Yes the Suna Bunshin (as the name says Sand) will remain Sand, and Chakra (Gaara uses Chakra to manipulate his Sand) the same substance (excluding Sand) of which normal Kage Bushins are made out of.
The part about Gaara's Suna Bunshin not being able to assume the form of the user is incorrect beyond comprehension, and here's why:
In the same fight against the Nidaime Mizukage, Gaara replaced, and fooled the Nidaime Mizukage with a Sand Bunshin. How he fooled the Mizukage well by completely refuting that quote you've linked:
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In that scan, Gaara's Suna Bunshin completely assumed the form of Oonoki fooling the Mizukage. Now think, if Gaara's Suna Bunshin couldn't completely assume the form of the user, then the Mizukage would of recognized a sandy exterior.
The second interpretation of Assume is also debunked by the same fight I previously linked. Here, the Mizukage questions, and involuntarily states that
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, now the second interpretation of Assume says "To take or begin to have power of responsibility". But, if you think about it do any clones actually have the power of responsibility? Doesn't the user of the technique indirectly have control of what actions the clones do? It is the users chakra after all. Going along with your ideals though, that true Bunshins have the power of responsibility here Gaara's Suna Bunshin freely was
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I would.Above all else, you're missing one very important point: Change.
Change, that is the irrefutable point you're missing. Remember when Naruto was simply terrible with the performing the Kage Bunshin technique? Now he's probably the best Kage Bunshin user in the Manga. Or how Sasuke with his Chidori at first could only use it in CQC battles? Now he can use it Mid-Long Range with the different variations he's created with it.
Change man. Time brings Change, and with Change brings New things. That's why using the First Databook isn't a good source for Techniques that have been seen later on in the Manga, because the user(s) are always showing us something new.
Gaara for example:
I. Wasn't able to completely assume the User(s) in which the Suna Bunshin took on
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.II. Wasn't able to control Shukaku (His tailed beast)
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. Later on he could (being able to emit Shukaku's hand)
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.Relying on the First Databook shouldn't be done, as things change. That is all that really needs to be said here. My OP still stands, The Sandaime Raikage is cornered like a helpless rat, I'm awaiting for you to counter the formation.
By the way, this is my last post if we're still going to debate rather or not Gaara can multiply his Suna Bunshin.
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Manga disagrees with your interpretation. Shadow clone luring and decoying > Suna. Not only does it share the same feat for luring and decoying but also more useful since you can splits shadow clones into thousands "in part 1", something Suna Bushins can't do "in part 1". Ironically was shown in Naruto vs Gaara too lol
Then you didn't understand my rebuttal/ premise if thats what you got out of it. I specifically stated that Suna Bushins do not split a significant amount of chakra to give off abilities as the original. When I brought the definition it means of "assume" it was to show that the context shows that it doesn't have the power much like the original, therefore since it lacks "responsibility and power" you can't make the claim of Suna Bushin using high scale sand jutsu
Well you misunderstood my premise to begin with..
That scan doesnt support you it supports my claim. The scan shows that it completely did what I have been stating, to which I was following what the databook says whats its use.
You are not understanding the definition of assume. It simply was describing that Suna Bushins do not carry a significant power level to perform techs like other Bushins do.
@Bold, oh boy are you for real? Have you ever heard of this character name Naruto Uzamaki? The main character of the series? All of his screen time with shadow clone usage answers this question.
@Underline. Are you backtracking now? Did we not bothconclude that specific type of clones give out specific portion of chakra/power? As the evidence I post shows that Shadow Clone can split evenly, while Water Clones can only give out 1/10 to each?
So yes it is the users chakra and can take control of what actions the clones can do. BUT that doesn't mean they share the same POWER and RESPONSIBILITY since different clones techs in NV give out different portion feats, correct?
Of course. The responsibility to act as a feint.
What do you mean I never deny the improvement of part 1 series to part 2.
I completely agree with change as you just proved. Now how does that prove that Suna does more then decoy and luring and can split chakra evenly to use the same techs as the original? Pretty much how does it carry the same ability as Shadow Clone jutsu. All your examples to me only shows that it improved better at decoys and luring.
-Im not just relying on the databook to describe whats happening in the manga, its has shown to make it completely relevant of the effects of Suna Bushins in part 2 series too.
-The formation is using false claims that Suna bushin chakra portion = Shadow clones, and therefore you can high scale ninjutsu as much as the original. I can't agree with that as its not supported.
-You also want me to assume Gaara will act quicker then the Raikage, who will be a "rap in a trap" by being cornered. when the latter is wayy faster then Gaara and faster then Joki boy himself, to which Gaara had trouble capturing.
-You want me to assume Gaara sand can overpower Raikage once says capture by piling up, when the latter can power up his penetration to juggernaut through, to which he already did with his weakest penetrating move via 5 fingers. On top of durability that surpasses Kimmiaro (to which he had trouble with his sand to put him down)
All your claims is debunked.
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Ight, ill let them know.
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To be honest no side had any compelling arguments. Most of the debate was spent on debating whether or not Gaara can make x sand clones and not about how one will kill the other. It was very dull and I believe both sides could have said much more in their characters defense.
@EjBlack
You missed a lot of important points you could have said about the Raikage. If you had researched him more and knew more about his abilities I don't think you would have spent as much time as you did debating on Gaaras clone capabilities because they were hardly if at all a factor in this match-up.
@DrProof
You also missed a few points on the character you were representing and like EjBlack did, spent most of your post talking about Gaara's clones. I did however liked you opening premise the way you set everything out and how it would play out in a real scenario but realistic speaking, a character would not sit and do nothing while Gaara makes clones and turns ground into sand etc.
@Verdict
Well you see these analysis were short because well... your debate was. Little was said about how each characters kills the other and most of the debate was just reading why or why not Gaara can make said clones. Since both of you had good points in your post (but not nearly as many as you could have) I will vote this a draw.
@EjBlack
You missed a lot of important points you could have said about the Raikage. If you had researched him more and knew more about his abilities I don't think you would have spent as much time as you did debating on Gaaras clone capabilities because they were hardly if at all a factor in this match-up.
@DrProof
You also missed a few points on the character you were representing and like EjBlack did, spent most of your post talking about Gaara's clones. I did however liked you opening premise the way you set everything out and how it would play out in a real scenario but realistic speaking, a character would not sit and do nothing while Gaara makes clones and turns ground into sand etc.
@Verdict
Well you see these analysis were short because well... your debate was. Little was said about how each characters kills the other and most of the debate was just reading why or why not Gaara can make said clones. Since both of you had good points in your post (but not nearly as many as you could have) I will vote this a draw.
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EjBlack:
Winner
Your strategies towards this match up were very creative, and ur use of manga scans was indeed very good. However one of the main problem was that you made it very confusing with the strategies and that made ur main points quite hidden, even I had to read ur opener, into quite depth in-order to fully grasp ur points. All in all, your opener was abit weak,and some of the scans did not match anything with what you were trying to say, and the strategies ended up shifting and hindering your main points which were pretty good, yet invisibleman failed to notice
Your use of sand clones was rather unnecessary, regardless of the use of diversion. Gaara has the whole location and his entire sand to be able to attack the raikage continously, the use of clones which are still composed of sand are not doing much at all, since his defense is still there to protect him, and can still have the range to prevent himself, and the entire argument over the clones just made it worse.
Your statement of immobilising the raikage and the fact that you stated that gaara can restrain the raikages movements was good, and helped strengthened ur argument, your use of shukaku sealing was also very good.
as for ur second post, the questioning wasnt soo great, you shouldve pointed out the inconsistencies with EJBlacks intro and quoted him at each and evvery single bit, so that every point is addressed and countered, asking the questions made ur argument weaker, and you wasted ur entire second post on sand clones when you couldve emphasised alot more on some of the points made at ur intro
your third post was also wasted completely on sand clones, and it just compeltely shifted the interest of the debate to just an argument over the sand clones which really arent much important here
Your use of sand clones was rather unnecessary, regardless of the use of diversion. Gaara has the whole location and his entire sand to be able to attack the raikage continously, the use of clones which are still composed of sand are not doing much at all, since his defense is still there to protect him, and can still have the range to prevent himself, and the entire argument over the clones just made it worse.
Your statement of immobilising the raikage and the fact that you stated that gaara can restrain the raikages movements was good, and helped strengthened ur argument, your use of shukaku sealing was also very good.
as for ur second post, the questioning wasnt soo great, you shouldve pointed out the inconsistencies with EJBlacks intro and quoted him at each and evvery single bit, so that every point is addressed and countered, asking the questions made ur argument weaker, and you wasted ur entire second post on sand clones when you couldve emphasised alot more on some of the points made at ur intro
your third post was also wasted completely on sand clones, and it just compeltely shifted the interest of the debate to just an argument over the sand clones which really arent much important here
EjBlack:
Your intro was good,, the fact that you took the raikages durability into consideration as well as his fast speed and intelligence (which alot of people forget), was good to see,
Your main flaw was that you didnt use raikage as well as you could have,
you could have used his amber sealing pot, nor did you properly address on how he wins,
Your use of databook instead of manga scans to counter DrProofs intro was abit weak, although the databook can be a reliable source, its still not entirely correct, ,
although ur intro was decent,, you still didnt counter DrProofs main points that welll, although they were hard to grasp, you only countered the parts about sand bunshin, yet you ignored the bit about shukaku and sealing method compeltely,
your intro couldve also been a bit more detailed, and it would been good to see a short summary on how the raikage wins
you also didnt explaain much on how the raikage can close the distance against gaara and land the hell stab
as for ur second and third post, you did well in countering the mizubunshins, however just like DrProof, you only sticked to countering the Sand Clones argument, you couldve provided alot more detail on the raikage, and u should have used the amber sealing pot for the raikage as well as the fact that he has black lightning, which should be comparable to darui at the very least
however you still did well on answering the questions,
Your main flaw was that you didnt use raikage as well as you could have,
you could have used his amber sealing pot, nor did you properly address on how he wins,
Your use of databook instead of manga scans to counter DrProofs intro was abit weak, although the databook can be a reliable source, its still not entirely correct, ,
although ur intro was decent,, you still didnt counter DrProofs main points that welll, although they were hard to grasp, you only countered the parts about sand bunshin, yet you ignored the bit about shukaku and sealing method compeltely,
your intro couldve also been a bit more detailed, and it would been good to see a short summary on how the raikage wins
you also didnt explaain much on how the raikage can close the distance against gaara and land the hell stab
as for ur second and third post, you did well in countering the mizubunshins, however just like DrProof, you only sticked to countering the Sand Clones argument, you couldve provided alot more detail on the raikage, and u should have used the amber sealing pot for the raikage as well as the fact that he has black lightning, which should be comparable to darui at the very least
however you still did well on answering the questions,
Winner
This debate wasnt really properly done, i feel that there are still alot of things that needed to be addressed,
EJ didd not counter the shukaku much and DrProof didnt even use it much here, and this was your downfall as well as the fact that you focused too much on the trivial things
EJ not using the raikages amber sealing pot, as well as not mentioning how the raikage closes the distance wasnt very good
All in all, both of you could have used your characters to a much higher extent, and you both certainly had the margin for more discussion, DrProof ur strategies and use of sand clones completely hindered ur main points, which as i said were very good, and EJBlack, u defiinitely had the points there, but you didnt use the raikage as well as i thought you would have, however you addressed the sand clones argument of DrProof, and your intro was also better, due to the fact taht you stated that the raiikage can break free of any sand with ease,
My Vote goes to EjBlack, and if there are any queries with my judgment, then feel free to VM me
EJ didd not counter the shukaku much and DrProof didnt even use it much here, and this was your downfall as well as the fact that you focused too much on the trivial things
EJ not using the raikages amber sealing pot, as well as not mentioning how the raikage closes the distance wasnt very good
All in all, both of you could have used your characters to a much higher extent, and you both certainly had the margin for more discussion, DrProof ur strategies and use of sand clones completely hindered ur main points, which as i said were very good, and EJBlack, u defiinitely had the points there, but you didnt use the raikage as well as i thought you would have, however you addressed the sand clones argument of DrProof, and your intro was also better, due to the fact taht you stated that the raiikage can break free of any sand with ease,
My Vote goes to EjBlack, and if there are any queries with my judgment, then feel free to VM me
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the use of circles, and the coded words was annoying af,
and i also dont understandd why even bother with the sand clones to begin with, when gaara can just constantly attack him with sand,
if you focused abit more on shukaku, such as his fuutons, as well as gaara restraining him through sand tsunami followed by shukakusu pyramid seal, then you wouldve definitely won,
you wasted almost 80% of ur posts on sand clones,
you however definitely had the concepts, but you just didnt apply them here
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the use of circles, and the coded words was annoying af,
and i also dont understandd why even bother with the sand clones to begin with, when gaara can just constantly attack him with sand,
if you focused abit more on shukaku, such as his fuutons, as well as gaara restraining him through sand tsunami followed by shukakusu pyramid seal, then you wouldve definitely won,
you wasted almost 80% of ur posts on sand clones,
you however definitely had the concepts, but you just didnt apply them here
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That's the point of strategics.. Having a Key to identify what is what. Take a look at a map..
Why I used the Sand Clones to start off with? Here's why:
(a): The Raikage would have blitzed Gaara once the battle started if I had no coverage. Creating the Sand Clones allowed Gaara to gain the advantage quickly, and surely. As well confusing the Raikage completely as he would have to kill the real Gaara out of 4 (leaving him a 25% chance to strike the Real Gaara). Just attacking the Raikage with Sand techniques without a plan is utterly insane seeing as the durability of his body is beyond human comprehension. Do you know how quickly the Raikage would have killed Gaara if I just relied on his Sand Defenses alone? Let's just say near instant.
(b): Shukaku's Wind wouldn't have made a difference, as if you've read the Manga, the Sandaime Raikage effortlessly reconducts his Lightning for Hell Stab, not even taking into hand that Wind itself wouldn't harm a hair on the Raikage's body. I did as well go indepth on Gaara restraining the Raikage in the end part heavily if I may add.
(c): The Clone's were a needed piece in this debate. As I stated in point (a), without them this wouldn't even have been a debate. As well, let me help you understand the strategy a bit more..
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Clones W,X,Y,Z are stationed at the points marked, not hard to understand here.
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Here, this was used to entrap the Raikage. If the Raikage dodged upward he would be bombarded by a unison assault by clones Z & W. If he dodged to the right W & X. Downward? X&Y, to the Left? Y&Z. I then prepared as well baiting by setting up the middle (all four Gaara's) to use an easily avoidable technique that the Raikage could dodge if he relied in the middle (which in this case is the only logical case) in which upon middle reliance, the Sandaime Raikage was defeated due to:
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You must of skipped it as I already mention how he kills Gaara. It must of been hard to find because Raikage only has one move lol. Please check the arguments again.
@Bold: Really, I am interested to heard them. What did I miss to Raikage's extent
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Sorry, when I said lot of points I meant a couple main points but those points have subcategories to them. They are that:
1: Raikage has the elemental advantage
2: 1FN can kill Gaara without him being in arms reach of him
3: Raikage can outlast him
These points have a few subcategories to them though I can go in detail if you want when i get back from hitting these weights at the gym.
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Ok, let start with the things that where done wrong:
Disregard for Location: Two things come to mind:
i) Where you said Gaara buries Sandaime 200m underground. This seemed to be your only option for defeating the Raikage, so its a pretty big mistake. Lets not forget that this is a Iron Bridge, with a small lake beneath it. There is no possible way Gaara can bury Sandaime in such a location.
ii) You also stated that Gaara gathers sand in the same manner as his fight with Kimmimaro. Once again, this is an Iron bridge and not regular earth. I don't doubt that Gaara can break it down regardless, however the time and effort it will take in such a location is far beyond what it was against Kimmimaro.
Sandaime standing still: Another one if your claims was that Gaara performs a series of combos on Sandaime and gains the upper hand and eventually wins. But will Sandaime really be standing in one spot, while Gaara uses his Tsunami, makes clones, moves them to the four corners of the location and starts spamming? This is a bridge after all, the Tsunami will hold him for a couple seconds tops, once Sandaime cloaks himself in Raiton (Which won't be long), he won't have any trouble whatsoever escaping the sand hands and the sand prisons. You should have taken into account that Sandaime can move, effortlessly break out of Gaara's traps, and force pressure with his great speed and insane piercing power.
Disregard for Sandaime's piercing power: Ej also did not mention just who deadly his piercing power is. Lets not forget that a Chunin Exams Sasuke was able to pierce through Gaara's defence with a Chidori. Sandaime's finger stabs are more powerful then a FRS and are concentrated just like a Chidori. Gaara's defence is truly useless against the Finger Stabs, but you did ignore this part, wether it be for strategical purposes (Not remind Ej exactly how powerful it is) or you simply forgot I do not know.
What was good? The presentation was impressive for one. Very neatly organized points and pictures, as insignificant as they might be to the actual debate, do make for a more enjoyable read. Despite some of your points being off, you did back-up other points with very accurately and with great detail, even using pictures to show how the fight would have went down.
Disregard for Location: Two things come to mind:
i) Where you said Gaara buries Sandaime 200m underground. This seemed to be your only option for defeating the Raikage, so its a pretty big mistake. Lets not forget that this is a Iron Bridge, with a small lake beneath it. There is no possible way Gaara can bury Sandaime in such a location.
ii) You also stated that Gaara gathers sand in the same manner as his fight with Kimmimaro. Once again, this is an Iron bridge and not regular earth. I don't doubt that Gaara can break it down regardless, however the time and effort it will take in such a location is far beyond what it was against Kimmimaro.
Sandaime standing still: Another one if your claims was that Gaara performs a series of combos on Sandaime and gains the upper hand and eventually wins. But will Sandaime really be standing in one spot, while Gaara uses his Tsunami, makes clones, moves them to the four corners of the location and starts spamming? This is a bridge after all, the Tsunami will hold him for a couple seconds tops, once Sandaime cloaks himself in Raiton (Which won't be long), he won't have any trouble whatsoever escaping the sand hands and the sand prisons. You should have taken into account that Sandaime can move, effortlessly break out of Gaara's traps, and force pressure with his great speed and insane piercing power.
Disregard for Sandaime's piercing power: Ej also did not mention just who deadly his piercing power is. Lets not forget that a Chunin Exams Sasuke was able to pierce through Gaara's defence with a Chidori. Sandaime's finger stabs are more powerful then a FRS and are concentrated just like a Chidori. Gaara's defence is truly useless against the Finger Stabs, but you did ignore this part, wether it be for strategical purposes (Not remind Ej exactly how powerful it is) or you simply forgot I do not know.
What was good? The presentation was impressive for one. Very neatly organized points and pictures, as insignificant as they might be to the actual debate, do make for a more enjoyable read. Despite some of your points being off, you did back-up other points with very accurately and with great detail, even using pictures to show how the fight would have went down.
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Ok, lets start off with the things that where done wrong:
Disregard for Shukaku: He is there, you know. And unlike Hachibi, cutting won't exactly do anything significant to him, which is what Sandaime is all about. I myself don't see a counter to him, however, Sandaime is certainly capable of killing Gaara before Shukaku comes out, but you did not mention this.
Too much concentration on Clones: For such an unimportant aspect of the battle, you put WAY too much attention towards it.
Lack of Sandaime feats shown: You mentioned the basics, he's fast, he's durable and he's strong. But frankly, that's just not enough detail. Chidori was capable of breaking through Gaara's Defense, as can Finger Stab, which makes Gaara's defensive aspect a non-factor. If you went into more detail on his offense, defence and speed instead of attacking the clone argument, this debate would have been an easy win for you, Shukaku or not. As I said before, Gaara stands next to no chance in this location against Sandaime.
As far as good things go, I would say basically everything I said to Dr.Proof, minus the presentation aspect, which was average.
Disregard for Shukaku: He is there, you know. And unlike Hachibi, cutting won't exactly do anything significant to him, which is what Sandaime is all about. I myself don't see a counter to him, however, Sandaime is certainly capable of killing Gaara before Shukaku comes out, but you did not mention this.
Too much concentration on Clones: For such an unimportant aspect of the battle, you put WAY too much attention towards it.
Lack of Sandaime feats shown: You mentioned the basics, he's fast, he's durable and he's strong. But frankly, that's just not enough detail. Chidori was capable of breaking through Gaara's Defense, as can Finger Stab, which makes Gaara's defensive aspect a non-factor. If you went into more detail on his offense, defence and speed instead of attacking the clone argument, this debate would have been an easy win for you, Shukaku or not. As I said before, Gaara stands next to no chance in this location against Sandaime.
As far as good things go, I would say basically everything I said to Dr.Proof, minus the presentation aspect, which was average.
I am sorry, but I am going to have to end this in a tie and give the victory to Dr.Proof. His argument was more on track IMO, despite some of the flaws. Although there where many things missing, he still explained and elaborated on the character he was debating for. I feel, Ej, you where a but lackluster for Raikage. You mainly spent your time arguing Gaara's feats that where presented, instead of arguing how Sandaime takes down Gaara.
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The Bridge isn't Iron bro, I don't believe so. In the Battle with Danzo, and Sasuke it looked rocky, as if it was solid stone. Also I don't recall there being water under the bridge. Link please?
Edit: Meant Danzo, and Sasuke not Gaara. Lol Gaara is on my mind way to much today.
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