Spare me your stock replies and huffington posts. It's evident you are the one barking up the wrong tree after the wrong squirrel.
Spare you the data, you mean?
Your first quote is arguing over the % of gap in the salary but even that doesn't deny that such disparity exists in cases of equivalent work. And your second quote is referring to the hours men put in work. Neither refute anything I said. I was referring to the cases where the disparity exists for equivalent skill and working hours.
Actually, it does refute what you said, since the pay gap vanishes to less than 6 cents per equivalent hour while comparing economists and social workers as being 'in the same field.'
This means that there is literally no evidence of any significant discrimination in pay.
Most women do not complain about salary difference if they are not not putting as much effort as the male counterparts or are less skilled. They do complain because they lose out if they demand the same payment for same amount of work or get much less chances of working at a job which could pay them more when they can and wish to.
Where is this happening?
Data? Statistics? Case studies or testimonies?
Like when an acquaintance was looking for an office typist when I was still in school. He interviewed a bunch of guys who asked something around Rs 5000. He hired the only girl who came for interview, because she said yes to offer of 3000 instead. Only draw back was that when she had to stay late after dark he had to send one of his sons with her to drop her home. He didn't mind. Because it happened only once or twice a month and would hardly cost him more than Rs 100 a trip he paid his son( petrol hardly rs 20 worth at the time, rest made his 17 year old happy). If her employer had to pay Rs 5000 the girl probably could afford a proper conveyance home herself instead of relying on local bus or his son in case it was too late. But then he wouldn't pick her and get a man instead whom he could tell to walk or sleep in the office if he missed the last bus. His own words- "I have three sons and I do not want any funny business at my office" before he hired her.
The case described is cultural. There is the presumption that a woman needs protection and, also, the paranoia regarding promiscuity at work. Indian culture is considerably different from Western culture in this regard and is closer to an Asian culture in its view of women.
Statistics for India will likely look considerably different than statistics from America and Europe.
So yeah employers do hire women over men if they are saving money and they consider other concerns being balance out in lieu of it. ( I can count plenty of other such cases but this one should make my point clear about the situations I was referring to.)
Why they don't do it all the time? Because there is a general perception that if they hire men they can get them to work longer hours or late hours if need be or if it's physically taxing. There is also an issue of commitment** - as many women leave the job after marriage as they relocate of get engage more with family. ( They are more likely to commit more if they get paid better but its kind of catch 22 situation in most cases at the time) That leads to belief that hiring men would give them better results than the woman on the job, so they often pay more even in cases where those longer hours are rarely put in or that taxing physically. That perception alone enables an average male to bargain/negotiate for more for the same job because of their gender. Relatively less number of women is able to do the same and when they do, it's not without adverse comments about their
femininity or supposed feminine skills.
If you see my post in the thread regarding the construction of gender, you'll see it ties in quite a bit, here, with the difference between many Eastern and Western cultures and how they perceive women.
The pay gap you are describing is a scenario where a man is being paid 65% more than a woman. That's much, much more than a gap of $0.05 per hour in an environment where $7.50 is the minimum wage and most of the salaries we are talking about are $15+ an hour.
And is FAR more than the $0.26/hour feminists in America allege exists and cry over.
To put that into perspective, at our minimum wage, that is the difference between being paid
475 Rs/hour for women (at current exchange rates) and 493 Rs/hour for men at the wage gap that feminist groups in America claim exists. Most of these salary jobs pay closer to $20 an hour - so it's like the difference between 1270 rs/hour and 1285 Rs/hr.
Of course, when controlled for years in the company and other such things - it goes to less than $0.06 per hour pay difference. Or like 1270 rs versus 1273 rs per hour.
This very small and sometimes natural looking gap affects a lot more than just general financial situation of an average female. Most home appliances didn't even came into existence till males got involved in the household tasks. There aren't that many female oriented shows or literature because when it comes to sales- whether it be the decision of watching a movie or buying toys related with it, males are the targeted market. Female oriented shows/movies are low budget in comparison. Thus again reducing negotiating power of actresses in comparison to male stars. Not to forget the consequences like 37 year old actress being regarded too old to
work opposite to a 55 year old actors and thus being retired too early from main roles which could get them paid better. ( back the cycle)
What you describe is an instance of a pay difference of 65%.
Even at our most extreme examples, it isn't even 10% pay difference.
Likewise, the culture in America is almost opposite. Women handle many of the finances of men. While purchases of large appliances and other such things are typically purchased as a family decision, women typically have typically had a lot of sway in financial decisions throughout western history and culture.
If this much doesn't get my point across then whatever. I am bored already.
Bored?
You just got me interested in the differences between hiring standards across different nations and cultures.
