Sakura vs Tsunade

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Tsunade wins.

she simply punches sakura, possibly after catching sakuras own punch offhand.

CES =/= brute senjumaki strength, and Tsunade has greater skill/speed in CQC by feats & implications
 

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You still have not proved Current Sakura medical abilities > Part 1 Kabuto

All your doing is assuming since Kabuto figured it out Sakura would. That holds zero weight.

Doesnt need to be proven, you should be able to see that yourself.

Since Sakura is a better medical ninja than part 1 Kabuto she would be able to figure out faster that her nerves were shocked up and overcome it.
 

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Never said ninjustu, medical abilities as in knowledge on the human body and such, she has surpassed him at that point so she is definitely smarter than him when it comes to medical ability.

Sorry, Since when has she proved she is had more knowledge on the human body and such than kabuto does?.

Does Yin seal now also give an intelligence boost along with this Fan fic Physical strength/speed/reflexes and such?


No regular person can simply understand what is happening to their body, they need to know about the human body and how nerves work.

Knowing how they work and Controlling them when they're messed up are two completely different things. Lets say for some merical she does figure it out, There is no way she is going to keep up with tsunade with tsunade in CQC while under the effects.
 

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Doesnt need to be proven, you should be able to see that yourself.

Since Sakura is a better medical ninja than part 1 Kabuto she would be able to figure out faster that her nerves were shocked up and overcome it.

It does need to be proven because its not self evident. If you can't prove it then just retract the claim.
 

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Sorry, Since when has she proved she is had more knowledge on the human body and such than kabuto does?.

Does Yin seal now also give an intelligence boost along with this Fan fic Physical strength/speed/reflexes and such?




Knowing how they work and Controlling them when they're messed up are two completely different things. Lets say for some merical she does figure it out, There is no way she is going to keep up with tsunade with tsunade in CQC while under the effects.

Based on feats of what she has done. Part 1 Kabuto does not compare to her medical feats.

Also fanfic physical strength and speed? So you dont see any increase after getting her seal? Ok got it. Cross you off the logical debater board.
 

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Based on feats of what she has done. Part 1 Kabuto does not compare to her medical feats.

Superior Medical ninjutsu =/= Superior intelligence

Also fanfic physical strength and speed? So you dont see any increase after getting her seal? Ok got it. Cross you off the logical debater board.

The "physical strength" increase is based on focusing chakra into her Fists and releasing it at the right moment. It creates an illusion of physical strength when it's actually just chakra enhanced punches.

There is no outright statement or proof to prove Speed/strength if affected by the seal.
 

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Superior Medical ninjutsu =/= Superior intelligence



The "physical strength" increase is based on focusing chakra into her Fists and releasing it at the right moment. It creates an illusion of physical strength when it's actually just chakra enhanced punches.

There is no outright statement or proof to prove Speed/strength if affected by the seal.

It does when this certain technique messes up a part of the body. Something a superior medical ninja will be able to counter faster.

Sakura no longer has to focus on holding chakra in her forehead, she can now focus all her chakra into her fist for more power. That is clearly obvious.
 

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It does when this certain technique messes up a part of the body. Something a superior medical ninja will be able to counter faster.

Baseless yet again.


Sakura no longer has to focus on holding chakra in her forehead, she can now focus all her chakra into her fist for more power. That is clearly obvious.

That gain is Chakra, Not her physical strength
 

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Baseless yet again.




That gain is Chakra, Not her physical strength

Ok I will leave it as that.

The gain in chakra allows for the gain in physical strength. Chakra enhanced strength. What are you even arguing? I know Sakura does not have natural strength.
 

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Ok I will leave it as that.

The gain in chakra allows for the gain in physical strength. Chakra enhanced strength. What are you even arguing? I know Sakura does not have natural strength.

It doesn't allow her to gain physical strength though. It simply increases her Punching/kicking power.

It's simply chakra focused into her first, Then she releases it at the right moment. Her physical strength such as Lifting, Pulling, Pushing and such are unchanged.
It's basically like walking around with Bombs build into your fist that explode every time you impact a surface with your fist.
 

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Pretty much a moot point, when Sakura being stronger with just her CES alone.

No he didn't. lol He compared Sakuras strenght to KID BASE TSUNADE! He knows nothing about the seal and her recent strength feats to go off of, fact! If anything that just proves Tsunade base equals Sakuras Seal strength.

Yes it does, but her (Tsunade's) experience will not change the difference in strength. Jman has more experience than Naruto, but that doesn't give Jman the win.

So Jman and Naruto does exactly the same things right down to being almost identical??? You sound desperate using that horrible example. lol Jman and Naruto are not even close to being similar like Sakura and Tsunade!

Sakura supplied enough chakra to allow Obito to warp to another foreign dimension, that even , despite .

Kaguya was perfectly fine and had plenty of chakra to waste (as seen in later chapters with the TBB). Tsunade supply and replenished 4 other Kages Reserves no diff at base. Saved a village from total annihilation (hundreds of thousands of ppl). Instantly healed Shika like it was nothing when Sakura was trying hard as fuq! Do i need to keep making the comparison look stupid???


Also where do you get the idea that Tsunade has been pumping chakra into her seal for 20 years?

I'll show later after work.


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Tsunade wins because Katsuyu would be loyal to her in this battle.
I forgot about Katsuyu but can't Sakura simply unsummon it?
Tsunade wins.
Sakura might hit harder and have larger reserves but Tsunade is slightly faster, Better in battle intellect, Far better in Taijutsu.

The person who wins is who lands a direct hit, Thats why i go for tsunade since she is overall superior to sakura in CQC.
Based on what exactly?
Not even the Yin seal can save Tsunade/Sakura from a direct hit. Their punches are Susanoo and god-horn shattering, a human would instantly die after taking a direct hit.
I guess Gai shits on them no difficulty considering his Hirudora is more powerful than the combined power of both their punches.
Tsunades path way jutsu would shit on sakura
Based on what again?
Baseless yet again.
Says the guy who throws out baseless claims.
 

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Tsunade because of her experience in battle fields and she is a legendary sannin
 

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It doesn't allow her to gain physical strength though. It simply increases her Punching/kicking power.

It's simply chakra focused into her first, Then she releases it at the right moment. Her physical strength such as Lifting, Pulling, Pushing and such are unchanged.
It's basically like walking around with Bombs build into your fist that explode every time you impact a surface with your fist.

It does though a little. [ ] Unless you want argue that she has natural strength now.
 

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Tsunade wins this,
 

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It does though a little. [ ] Unless you want argue that she has natural strength now.

It might be her natural strength, As far as i'm aware sasori's puppets are exactly heavy.
 

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It might be her natural strength, As far as i'm aware sasori's puppets are exactly heavy.

Dont exactly have to be heavy and it did have that steel cable rolled up but pulling something in so quickly shows strength, not to mention she had poison in her system.

Also she throws Naruto in the air towards Tobi as some point but I cant find the scan, may have been filler.
 

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They might be equal but i doubt sakura if faster.
What do you think of the speed feats me and KG posted? Does Tsunade have speed feats comparable to this?

Not to mention the mathematical and physics genius of NB posted this:

This panel shows that Naruto himself thinks that the hands have really fast movements.

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Now what's my point?

Well, Naruto and Sauce are currently the fastest characters in the manga. Faster than 8th Gate Gai at this point in the story. That means that the hand things from this chapter are at least as fast as Might Gai. It's simple powerscaling to be honest.

Now, how fast is Might Gai?

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Madara states that Gai distorted space.



Distortion of Space requires at least relativistic speeds. Relativistic speeds start at 10% of the speed of light, which would be 29,979,245.8 meters per second. Gai is at least this fast, which would mean that the hand things we saw this chapter are also this fast.

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Kore de saigo no sukkan da.

We clearly see that Sakura was able to move a short distance before the hand could reach her melee range. It means that the hands are faster than her, but not by much.

I will generously gesture that the hands are 10 times faster than Sakura, so we simply divide our number by 10 to get an approximation of Sakura's speed.

Sakura's Speed = 29,979,245.8/10 = 2,997,924.58 meters per second
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Tsunade is 32 pixels tall and the panel height is 566 pixels.

Object Degree Size = 2*atan(Object/(Panel_Height/tan(70/2))

Object Degree Size = 2*atan(32/(566/tan(70/2)) = 4.534 degrees

Tsunade's Wiki says that she is 1.631 meters.



Using this calculator to inputting 4.534 degrees for the angle and 1.631 meters for her size, the distance we get from the point of view of the panel to Tsunade is 20.6 meters.

You said that it happened in mere seconds, so I'll just use 1 second for simplicity.

Tsunade's speed = 20.6 meters per second!!!!!

That's twice as fast as Usain Bolt!!!

Gasp!!!
So basically Sakura is approximately 150 000 times faster than Tsunade.


Since i doubt she has the intelligence to do so.

I Might be wrong but even if i am, She isn't keeping up with tsunade with her body in such a state.
Pretty sure Sakura is very intelligent and knowledgeable on medical ninjutsu and should have more knowledge on BPD than Kabuto did especially since the OP stipulates Sakura has full intel along with Tsunade. It wasn't implied you have to have Kabuto level intelligence and experience to counter such a jutsu.

Well I agree if BPD comes in it is GG for Sakura because it'll take a few seconds at least to become mobile again but landing a punch is much easier than BPD. Moreover, BPD is restricted so I don't see why there is such a heated debate on this topic.
 

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So we're grasping at straws now I see.
 
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