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Yupp and the Sakura wankers don't spout trash as well?
Sakura VS Neji CQC battle
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Yupp and the Sakura wankers don't spout trash as well?
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Exactly this. Kishi made it pretty clear who is stronger by giving her the powers of a Hokage/Sannin.
They surely do, but not in this case.
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i think neji has total advantage in CQC tbh
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Neji was extremely bloodlusted at that particular point so him not using his full speed makes no sense to me. Unless of course you can show me where it was implied in the manga that he didn't use his full speed in his attempt to finish Hinata off.
Irrelevant, Kurenai who isn't even hyped to be fast managed to cover a much larger distance than Neji did in the same time interval. Kurenai and all the other jounin weren't even in the arena yet they all showed up before Neji could close a much smaller distance.
I know part one Neji is inferior to part two Neji but you were hyping part one Neji's speed to be far above Sakura's so I decided to refute your claim.
Gai stating Lee needs gates to beat Neji doesn't mean everyone else needs to be as fast as Lee to beat him. First off, Sakura has a different fighting style compared to Lee and hits much much harder. Lee only being powerful enough to beat Neji with his immense speed doesn't mean a slower Sakura can't be powerful enough to beat Neji.
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so while Lee may get the power to beat Neji through his velocity, Sakura's much stronger force can allow her to do the same.Okay since Genma and Raidou weren't shown dodging Kidomaru's attacks, it is only speculation from my part so I'll concede. However if you look at that scan closely, the fight began at a
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and when the fight finished, it doesn't seem like Kidomaru got the time and distance to use his webs (
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) as the jounins were struck with shuriken and kunai, not webs and the environment where they fought weren't litered with webs/arrows so I guess I was wrong. This does, however, prove that Genma and Raidou were fast enough to pressure the sound four in their entirety not allowing Kidomaru to escape and fire off his projectiles
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considering Kidomaru escaped despite being close to Neji. The webs had a
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, I'll admit, but
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yet
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so how is this a speed feat for Neji, especially when his
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that Kidomaru was about to spit webs from his mouth before it even happened? If anything, this is proof that current Sakura is far faster than part one Neji when comparing her speed feat in
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. Like in Neji's case, the dimension hole where the acid came out of was pretty close to her. In Neji's case, he was at 100% at this point in the fight unlike Sakura who was
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. Furthermore, Sakura had to worry about Obito, Neji only had to worry about himself. After spilling to the ground, the
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was large enough to be called a sea of acid by Obito. Now you'll probably underrate this feat by saying the acid was simply in gravitational free fall but this isn't exactly true. While gravity was propelling the acid downwards, there were hydrostatic forces from the other dimension that were accelerating the acid through the hole. Despite the hole being relatively small, a large amount of acid came out of it in a short period of time. Neji has a smaller blindspot than other shinobi including Sakura so those guys have a much harder time protecting their blind spot even if they are on Neji's level of speed. Yet despite Neji's tiny blind spot, he still couldn't guard it even though he tried to move his head around.
Sakura wasn't in perfect condition in all the feats I've presented to you either. She didn't even bother regenerating the acid wounds on her body to conserve chakra (
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). Not to mention that at this point, she was really low on chakra (
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).Neji wasn't already badly wounded nor was he limping during the time the arrows were being fired at him considering he managed to run over 50 m in a much worse state without limping around.
I'll admit the arrows were fast for their time in the manga. However, the hype you posted is from the second databook. As the series progresses, new abilities are introduced with far greater capabilities but similar hype. For example, Kimimaro is hyped to have an unbreakable body yet later on Yata Mirror and 3rd Raikage have similar hype. It is quite obvious by manga portrayal and common sense that Itachi's V4 Susanoo with Yata Mirror as well as the 3rd Raikage are many times more durable than Kimimaro.
Furthermore, the third databook claimed that Sasuke had god like speed but this was before characters like Raikage, Minato, Juubi jins, etc. were introduced so his hype is no longer that significant.
Sakura reacting to Kaguya's chakra arms hyped recently is far better than Neji reacting to arrows which was done a long time ago.
My overall message to you is that hype is relative and the actual abilities have a limit and that limit is different depending on the overall power level.
In none of the occasions was Neji able to dodge the arrows as they were too fast for him and no, he wasn't that badly wounded nor was he limping because even after all that, he was able to run pretty fast. When the arrows were fired at Neji, he was in much better shape than at this point and even at this point he failed pretty badly (
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). I'll admit that in scan (2b) the arrow didn't hit Neji but that was because as Kidomaru says in scan (2c), the trajectory of the arrow was deflected by the tree that Neji was hiding behind. He wasn't in the air by the time he got to Kisame (
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). Everyone there knew Kisame used clones as they can clearly see his hand seals and the fact water clones spawned (
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). If you really know a lot about Hyuuga abilities, you should know how easy it is for an elite Byakugan user to anticipate its usage in comparison to Lee or sharingan Kakashi considering the Byakugan has
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. Not to mention Kakashi was forcibly kicked into the water allowing Zabuza to execute water prison so there was no way he could evade it in that situation (
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). Whether Sakura could prevent herself from getting trapped in the waterdome is a moot point because unlike Neji, she doesn't have the Byakugan which gives a preemptive view on its execution (
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). My point was that Neji isn't this super fast speedster you make him out to be. Base Lee's best speed feat is
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but when
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, Kaguya, excuses are made to showcase why it isn't a feat. Okay I'll concede when it comes to the Zetsu clone. Totally forgot that Neji can't tell the difference between Zetsus disguised as shinobi.
Don't underrate Sasori's one hundred puppets that
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just to make Sakura look bad. I know for a fact you think Sasori is underrated and himself is an extremely powerful shinobi but you'll underrate him in this thread to fulfil your own anti Sakura agenda. While Chiyo was of some help, she quickly got overwhelmed (
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), all while not being able to attack them due to holding that seal. The speed feats you showed aren't that impressive as Neji was using his palms to repel most of those attacks coming at him. Furthermore, there were multiple times in the fight where he got overwhelmed by the sheer quantity of the webs (
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). Sakura outright evading a large amount of acid and only getting slightly grazed by it due to having to save Obito is a much better speed feat. Sasori doesn't have to move faster than the Juubi's Pinpoint super fast strike for this to be a comparable speed feat. First off, Sasori was closer to Chiyo than
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than
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initially. Proof that any standard ninja could intercept Sasori's strike from over 20 m away when he himself is standing right next to her? Sakura not having trained in Shippuden doesn't change the fact that Sakura unlocked the Yin Seal and with it, she is on a whole other level including when it comes to speed and reactions. Feats prove this but common sense and manga logic does too. It is a fact that when one is low on chakra, their speed and reactions take a dip (
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). Furthermore, when a jinchuuriki uses their bijuu's chakra, their speed and reactions increase (
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). When one uses senjutsu chakra, the same thing happens. Even Deidara's speed and reactions increased when he upgraded his chakra to C1 level (
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) so why is it so hard to believe that with the Yin seal, Sakura is much faster than before? Another thing to think about is that chakra = energy. In order to do anything including think, run, react, etc. you need energy so having more energy most certainly makes you more faster. In order to use shunshin, one must
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so now that Sakura has access to far more chakra, her shunshin speeds will also increase. I never said she outran the arms. I said she temporarily outran the arms. Reread what I said and don't twist my words. Sakura wasn't far from the chakra arms, they were
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to her and still managed to run away before getting caught.Bold 1 and bold 2: Kaguya was about to be sealed so in order to escape Naruto and Sasuke, it stands to reason she'd move as fast as possible to avoid getting sealed. Give me a logical response that she wasn't moving at full speed then I'll concede.
Bold 3: Kaguya can fly in three dimensional space. She could go up, diagonal, backwards, horizontal. Virtually infinite directions, so you are wrong that that was the only option to escape the two.
Sakura hitting Kaguya is a great speed feat because Sakura not only managed to visually keep up with her speed, she managed to make a leap from the susanoo, gather chakra in her fists, reel back her arm and then release her CES at the precise moment Kaguya was in range. If Sakura wasn't fast, she wouldn't even be able to leap from the susanoo before Kaguya flies above Sakura, let alone time her punch at the exact moment Kaguya was in a certain position in space.
Considering I posted manga scans and described gentlefist based on what was said in the manga and considering all you do is say I'm wrong with no explanation, I guess you concede this point.
I already went over how Sakura is faster than Neji so I'm not going to waste my time talking about that.
If Neji wants to shut off the Yin seal, he'll have to aim at a small location on the forehead. He'll only be able to use a finger to target the Yin seal because it is too small to target with anything larger than a mere finger. Majority of Sakura and Tsunade's chakra reserves are located in the Yin seal and both have far superior chakra to Neji so unless Neji can release a large amount of chakra in his finger, he won't be able to do jack to the Yin seal.
A large amount of chakra>>>>>small amount of chakra so chakra being chakra is a moot point. Think of it like this, a lid is put on a water bottle, that lid blocks it from spilling out but if water is now kept on getting pumped into the water bottle, eventually the lid will loosen and water will spill out. In my analogy, the lid is the gentle fist chakra, the water is the chakra flowing throughout the body and the yin seal is the pump. The pressure at the epicentre of the pump is extremely high and won't get stopped by the lid.
The fox's chakra being gone after the collision with gentle fist chakra isn't a counter to my post because the gentle fist chakra was
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. Against the Yin Seal, Neji will be targeting the Yin Seal with a much smaller amount of chakra within his finger. Also it is important to note that Sakura got stabbed by an
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and didn't end up with permanent unregeneratble damage. Onmyoudan does damage on a molecular level,
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which means that whatever chakra coils that were present in that area would have been obliterated yet Sakura regenerated from that so I highly doubt gentle fist is going to stop a Byakugou user. These same rods can do
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and I highly doubt that gentle fist can stop an edo from regenerating.The difference between the incident with Shino/Zaku and Neji/Sakura is that Shino used bugs to clog up Zaku's arms so the pressure of his wind ended up building up and backfiring. If Neji blocks Sakura's chakra points, the chakra network won't end up exploding because he's is using chakra to block chakra. Chakra is energy and energy doesn't take up space so no excess pressure will be built up unlike in Zaku's arms. When a character gets a surge of chakra, their bodies don't explode which further proves the validity of my claim.
Okay then I hope you mention most of Neji's abilities in your next post because so far you haven't proven to me how Neji has a chance let alone wins. BTW I too have only used 50% of Sakura's abilities.
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First off,hav you ever heard of a lil thing called body flicker? which is standard for jonins to have?..Is gaara>>neji in footspeed aswel since he covered more ground in less time?
There is ntn to suggest that neji was goin top speed as he was shown to be roughly equal to kcm naruto's speed
Take special note of the distance between kunai's.
Both were able to meet there respective kunai which were only a second away from clashing.
Just look at it like this,if kcm naruto had flung a kunai at hinata from from behind at that distance,do u think bloodlusted neji could intercept,since u claim he was goin top speed to kill hinata?
But the fact of the matter is that we have proof that he's able to do these feats.
Also sakura's fighting style is similar to iron fist in that it focuses on breaking bones and destroying the enemy with great strength,only lee/gai hav much more skill,speed,training and genius in the area.
There is ntn to suggest that neji was goin top speed as he was shown to be roughly equal to kcm naruto's speed
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Take special note of the distance between kunai's.
Both were able to meet there respective kunai which were only a second away from clashing.
Just look at it like this,if kcm naruto had flung a kunai at hinata from from behind at that distance,do u think bloodlusted neji could intercept,since u claim he was goin top speed to kill hinata?
But the fact of the matter is that we have proof that he's able to do these feats.
Also sakura's fighting style is similar to iron fist in that it focuses on breaking bones and destroying the enemy with great strength,only lee/gai hav much more skill,speed,training and genius in the area.
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And here I thought we'll never see you again. But here you are, talking bs as usual.
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These were the same guy's who were hyping the shit out of genin neji.
All ur point about neji bein overwhelmed by constant raing barrages are moot because sakura cant replicate any of this herself and her basic cqc skills are easily made null of effect by neji's much better skill,training,genius and precise fighting style..he has total advantage in cqc against her..
Her feat of tagging kaguya is also mooted by lack of information as A:
She was covered by kakashi's RPS chakra after it was destroyed.
B:We hav no proof she landed on the ground and lept after kaguya or if she floated with the chakra which possibly gives flight as she was already air born..
All ur point about neji bein overwhelmed by constant raing barrages are moot because sakura cant replicate any of this herself and her basic cqc skills are easily made null of effect by neji's much better skill,training,genius and precise fighting style..he has total advantage in cqc against her..
Her feat of tagging kaguya is also mooted by lack of information as A:
She was covered by kakashi's RPS chakra after it was destroyed.
B:We hav no proof she landed on the ground and lept after kaguya or if she floated with the chakra which possibly gives flight as she was already air born..
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Fact of the matter is that neji has much better skill in CQC than sakura,has a better taijutsu style which requires accurate and quick hits which neji was capable of, even in intense combat,as a genin..
Sakura has not showed the speed or skill to pressure neji in CQC
while neji has all he needs to handle this CQC novice..
Anyway to "theEvilone"..go suck ur ma!
Sakura has not showed the speed or skill to pressure neji in CQC
while neji has all he needs to handle this CQC novice..
Anyway to "theEvilone"..go suck ur ma!
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I wonder if you still think this.
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I leave the rest of ur pointless banter to draegod..
Ur first point about kurenai and assumption about neji's full speed is moot
since i showed u instances where his speed was much greater.
As seen against naruto.
The fact that kurenai,a jonin, was able to body flick to a genin means ntn as even gaara displayed a similar feat soon after.
Ur next points about genma and raidou is also mooted since its purely made of speculation,look at the damage from the battle,wat do u think happend?
The sound 4 and there abilities were bein masked by kishi as to build up tension for there battles against team leaf..
Kishi probably never even thought about that battle in detail, u cant assume they pressured kidomaru, since it never happend or was even written,we dont know how long it took,how they fought,was it a taijutsu, ntn so its mooted and offscreen like ur points
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More bs, look closely with ur eyes,
all 3 were in the air and were blocked by a kisame,same kisame who was stated to bein a strong nd able combatant by none other than gai himself..
Neji also demonstrated a great striking feat when he broke out of water prison, striking and killin those same clones in the time it takes 6th gated gai to blitz,and this alone beats any striking feats from sakura shown in the puppet show..
Im getting to ur other points.
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Let me end this pointless bs feat.
Kakashi made a plan,his PS was destroyed from above kaguya but its chakra remained above kaguya with sakura in it..take note of the size of PS
Kakashi fell and damaged kaguya leading up to naruto and sasuke's part all while sakura was still above kaguya with sussano chakra..
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Kaguya decided to bolt upward to meet the final and most important part of kakashi's plan which basically landed on top of her..
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She basically was looking down on kaguya the whole time while falling closer to her,then kaguya made it easier for her..
She reacted to ntn an in no way shows an impressive feat worthy of mention..
It only shows how badly kakashi's plan wouldve failed if kaguya never forgot she had byakugan.
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Neji can just maneuver around Sakura's strength. If you're a taijustsu master being able to shift your opponents mass and strength is fundamental. On top of that being a simple task for him he can just use his gentle fist style and block points needed and boom, no more super strength for her. Neji just well equipped for a fight scenario such as this.
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Neji can hold back the Juubi's tails. Sakura gets destoryed.
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Thats not wat happend, most ur points are inaccurate an full of speculation.
Sakura never jumped or visually kept up with kaguya at all..
She was falling while looking at kaguya from above, the rest is history an so is the rest of ur points..Read the manga properly before u write walls of poop
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There are many plot holes regarding Kaguya's defeat.
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Plot holes which these sakura supporters wish to fill with speculation and rubbish..I would like to see a scan of sakura making this great leap from PS to intercept kaguya, when in fact she was already way above kaguya an was looking down on her while falling
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You know it's funny how often a person's sharp tongue can end up cutting their own throat lol.
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