From your saying Sakura has better evasion and speed feats than neji, thats a signal that you need to re-evaluate the years of your life that you spend reading/watching naruto
Juuken style is based on reflexes and precision and your telling me Sakura throughout has topped these feats?
Not only that but ive sen people claim that Juuken style is pretty much useless against Sakura because of Byakugo AND break Kaiten?
Thing have just gotten worst since ive been away D:
The damage Juuken inflicts to the internal body is useless against Byakugou regeneration capabilities.
And when the Juuken user aims the tanketsus in the opponent's body, in order to seal them off for some time, the target can't use use chakra for some time, unless the opponent refill his chakra flow with another source of chakra, just like Naruto did back in the battle against Neji:
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Naruto used the Kyuubi, a really awful, and lame Kyuubi cloak, which not even affected his personality, so it's fair to say, that the chakra wasn't much...
Sakura could do the same with Byakugou, since it's a chakra reserve safe from the Juuken effects. As long as she release chakra in times, only when she needs to heal herself and reestablish her chakra flow, and then close it to protect it from future Juuken attacks. If she leaves it open, Juuken will disrupt the chakra in the seal too.
I have no evidence that Chakra Enhanced Strength can destroy Kaiten, but It can certainly destroy the Chakra Shroud, I mean, state 1 of Rotation.
Look at this:
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CES can definitely destroy the first state of Kaiten, and if Naruto made it with that lame cloak, It would also break that early second stage of Rotation. CES has already pierced much more powerful barriers than that:
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Nevertheless, I think Neji can defeat her, but Sakura is more useful than him in most of the scenarios...
What those scans prove?
The Kaguya scan only shows Byakugan capabilities, and the Kyuubi's chakra was already in Naruto's chakra network so Juuken should work, but only while Naruto's chakra armor is off.
The spider? Seriously? That was a trap, Neji got caught in a giant web after it dissappeared, It doesn't really mean Juuken made it explode, remember summons dissappear when they are badly hurt. Besides, don't compare a fodder spider with a Byakugou user.
What fact of Juuken are you speaking of? That it can travel through strings? Seriously what is wrong with you?
Juuken cannot dissrupt sealed chakra, Naruto received the 64 palms and was able to pull out chakra from the Kyuubi to refill his network, so sealed chakra is safe from Juuken as long as it remains there, locked, and not actively traveling in the user chakra flow. Byakugou has the same basic properties than a Jinchuriki, it's chakra stored in a seal, plus it has even better regeneration capabilities. This was my point from the beginning. Seals are not tanketsus and these are the ones Juuken can damage, not seals.
And while rib-cage susano is a great defence,it lacks the effect of bein able to bounce back chakra/attacks
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As it can effectively turn back even a charging bijuu with no diff.
Kaiten doesn't bounce back attacks either, you have yet to find that viz scan to make thar Hype canon.
Anyway, its defense is more denser than Susanno, that's why I said CES can undoubtly destroy state one of Kaiten (the chajra shroud) and early part 2 (the one that barely tanked Naruto's chakra cloak),ONLY these 2, I have no proof it can get pass through when Kaiten has full revolution.
The point of the kaguya scan was to show that neji will be aware of the stored chakra in her seal immediately
While the the facts of juuken i was referring was neji's words about juuken and how it invades and destroys..
Summons dont necessarily disappear after bein hit with a dangerous attack as was the case of the boss toads..While that giant spider started to explode from the hit it received and not from preparing its web attack,but u probably can change my mind about this..
Btw,the concept of sakura's yin seal and minato's fox seal are different..
Different mechanics and effects.
Neji never saw that naruto had the fox' chakra sealed inside as the workings and concept of both seals are different.One houses a completely diff entity made of chakra,which was done by a very unique seal,while sakura's seal houses stored chakra.
If she gets a direct hit to that seal,i see no reason for it to not invade the seal along with crushing sakura's brain
I will repeat myself. Kaguya could see it because Naruto's cloak was active, he was using the chakra from the Kyuubi. In this case Neji could only see the sealed chakra when Naruto released chakra from the Kyuubi:
Invades and destroys? I thought we agreed with Byakugou being able to regenerate the offensive effects of Juuken, but it seems you change your mind at with no explanation...
Summons dont necessarily disappear after bein hit with a dangerous attack as was the case of the boss toads..While that giant spider started to explode from the hit it received and not from preparing its web attack,but u probably can change my mind about this..
I don't deny It's a possibility, but there are more theries about it, since it was never explained. When i saw it I thought it was pretty clear it was a trap. The web comes right after he strikes the spider and the web wrap him, it wss pretty staged in my opinion, but you can think differently, this doesn't change anything. Again, Sakura is way more tanky than a fodder spider.
Btw,the concept of sakura's yin seal and minato's fox seal are different..
Different mechanics and effects.
Neji never saw that naruto had the fox' chakra sealed inside as the workings and concept of both seals are different.
Why? Juuken doesn't attack sealed chakra, Byakugan couldn't even see the Kyuubi's chakra while It was stored. Juuken attack tanketsus, chakra points, not seals, go to the Databook or Narutopedia, or even the manga, Gentle Fist cannot deal with Sealed Chakra while it remains sealed and not in the user chakra flow, where the taketsus are, there are no taketsus in seals.
The difference between the Kyuubi and the Byakugou aren't important in this matter, Naruto released chakra from the Kyuubi at will, he was even doing a seal, pushing himself yo channel the chakra through his network, which he shouldn't have been able to, since he had just received the 64 palms. It had nothing to do that Naruto's seal has a mind. Sakura doesn't need no one's permission to provide herself chakra.
I will agree about byakugan not bein able to see the stored chakra at he start.
In the case of the giant spider,I never compaired its durability to sakura,
but instead im trying to let u understand what that much chakra would do to sakura's small forehead in parallel to that giant spider..
The spider was getting ready to explode from that hit as u can tell from the sfx:boom,boom and the exclamation mark showing that the spider was surprised at what was happening..
If we're gonna say fodder spider with fodder durability doesn't=sakura then i can bring up the fact that a tiny bit of neji's chakra was able to stun an knock a fresh CM2 kido out his tree,while another small but direct injection was able to kill him
As for kaiten not bouncing back attacks/chakra
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Along with ten ten's statement about it knocking chakra away makes it possible
In the case of the giant spider,I never compaired its durability to sakura,
but instead im trying to let u understand what that much chakra would do to sakura's small forehead in parallel to that giant spider..
Why would neji do that? That hyped and wierd skill was only used on a summon, but never used on a human. Neither Databook or the manga suggest a Hyuuga member being able to do that to another shinobi. Research.
The spider was getting ready to explode from that hit as u can tell from the sfx:boom,boom and the exclamation mark showing that the spider was surprised at what was happening..
If we're gonna say fodder spider with fodder durability doesn't=sakura then i can bring up the fact that a tiny bit of neji's chakra was able to stun an knock a fresh CM2 kido out his tree,while another small but direct injection was able to kill him
Yes, Part 1 Neji could kill in 3 strikes of Juuken. The one in the string and at least 2 more after that when he finished him off. So what? The damage of Juuken can be regenerated with Byakugou, you already agreed on that.
That was a Juubi tentacle, not pure chakra. In that case, Kaiten should have repelled back the webs, and weapons Kidoumaru threw to Neji.
And Tenten said "knock away" so... I fail to uderstand how this supports your point...
I can see you stop complaining at some stuff I said, we are indeed making progress. Good for you.
Never needed to be used on a human in any scenario we seen before,but variations of it was utilised eg:
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The full body blow burst chakra from all his points,while the gentle palm focuses more chakra at a selected area,loading the area with more chakra than standard juuken..
Its the same way he escaped kisame's water prison.
Kido already knew that the spider was gonna get trashed
He remarked that CQC was suicide,he sent the spider in CQC and it got trashed like the others but with more chakra used..
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That doesn't change the way in which the giant spider expanded from the chakra palm it received..
The webs were a much diff case than the juubi tail,as the spiders themselves were getting knocked back but the sticky substance was getting caught up in the spin,hindering its speed..
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Raw chakra attacks gets knocked away along with bijuu charges neg diff
Never needed to be used on a human in any scenario we seen before,but variations of it was utilised eg:
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The full body blow burst chakra from all his points,while the gentle palm focuses more chakra at a selected area,loading the area with more chakra than standard juuken..Its the same way he escaped kisame's water prison.
You are making up stuff, that is not a variation of Juuken, that is -Juuken/chakra emitted- from every chakra opening in his body, the same process right before spinning and performing what we know as Kaiten. That is what Neji did, you would know that if you had turn the page and read the next one. It has nothing to do with inflate someone or something with chakra to make it explode out of it.
Kido already knew that the spider was gonna get trashed
He remarked that CQC was suicide,he sent the spider in CQC and it got trashed like the others but with more chakra used..
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That doesn't change the way in which the giant spider expanded from the chakra palm it received..
It expanded itself right before dying and you are assuming he blow it up by pumping it with chakra...
It might have expanded itself because it was going explode with web strings...
Anyway, there is nothing in the manga or the data we have of Gentle Fist about pumping people or summons with chakra to make them explode... absolutely nothing.
The webs were a much diff case than the juubi tail,as the spiders themselves were getting knocked back but the sticky substance was getting caught up in the spin,hindering its speed..
Bad news, the web strings were made of chakra too, remember?:
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(READ NEJI'S COMMENTS IN THE SCANS)
So why didn't it bounce back, huh? Maybe because Kaiten don't knock back chakra to the opponent, just push it away form it...
For the record, spiders got knocked away, just like the wooden spikes (which also had chakra):
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They barely bounced... they didn't get knocked back with the same power they reached Kaiten or anything...
Your theory is not canon and it doesn't apply to the other feats of Kaiten or the info we have from it. This is fact.
Now only raw chakra right? You are bending your points and your statements as we speak, changing what you are stating according to the arguments and counter-arguments given, I am getting tired of it, you won't find many users with the patience I am having.
You have one "example" of this Kaiten mirror skill that remain unexplained in the manga, the mystery of how Naruto lost his chakra cloak agaist Neji's early second stage of Kaiten, and are many answers and possibilities, yours is just one of them, one single possibility that remains inconstant with the rest of Kaiten feats. And also you have a comment from Tenten that saying that Kaiten "knocks chakra away", not back. These are your premises that made you conclude that Kaiten can knock chakra back to the user. This seems legit to you? Seriously?
Sakura's speed is definitely being underrated, reacting to and dodging Kaguya's Chakra arms was an incredible feat. Considering Current Naruto was calling them fast. Though that's mostly a raw reaction feat, it won't help much here when Neji has vastly superior skill in hand to hand combat and the fastest hand speed feats in the manga (Other than Gai and to an extent, Itachi)
Though a point for Sakura is that her CBI (Cherry Blossom Impact. For the lack of a cannon name, I'll just give it the Storm one) is much to powerful for Neji's Kaiten to deflect.
Sakura's speed is definitely being underrated, reacting to and dodging Kaguya's Chakra arms was an incredible feat. Considering Current Naruto was calling them fast. Though that's mostly a raw reaction feat, it won't help much here when Neji has vastly superior skill in hand to hand combat and the fastest hand speed feats in the manga (Other than Gai and to an extent, Itachi)
Though a point for Sakura is that her CBI (Cherry Blossom Impact. For the lack of a cannon name, I'll just give it the Storm one) is much to powerful for Neji's Kaiten to deflect.
Actually, Kaiten happens to be a defense that physical force such as her CBI wont break simply because of the way Kaiten works, by simultaneously defending and redirecting the attack through a rather large dome of rotating chakra. She may cause some of the chakra that is spinning to indent very slightly, but overall, she wont be able to actually breach all the way through to the center where the person is at and she will simply be repelled by the constantly spinning chakra.
Actually, Kaiten happens to be a defense that physical force such as her CBI wont break simply because of the way Kaiten works, by simultaneously defending and redirecting the attack through a rather large dome of rotating chakra. She may cause some of the chakra that is spinning to indent very slightly, but overall, she wont be able to actually breach all the way through to the center where the person is at and she will simply be repelled by the constantly spinning chakra.
Actually, Kaiten happens to be a defense that physical force such as her CBI wont break simply because of the way Kaiten works, by simultaneously defending and redirecting the attack through a rather large dome of rotating chakra. She may cause some of the chakra that is spinning to indent very slightly, but overall, she wont be able to actually breach all the way through to the center where the person is at and she will simply be repelled by the constantly spinning chakra.
First of all, Kaiten should count as CQC. (Since someone mentioned it)
How can we assume that the strength of Neji's Rotation will be enough though? Mechanics can become overcome through enough sheer force. An attack that had a blast range of a few hundred meters no less, when we've seen things such as Wood Release Spears getting through.
First of all, Kaiten should count as CQC. (Since someone mentioned it)
How can we assume that the strength of Neji's Rotation will be enough though? Mechanics can become overcome through enough sheer force. An attack that had a blast range of a few hundred meters no less, when we've seen things such as Wood Release Spears getting through.
Wood spears didn't get through and its a fact shown to deflect the spears no diff. Neji just couldn't keep spinning to stop the onslaught of continuous spears raining like a rainy day during Hurricane season.
If the Force from A juubi who had the same force to send 2 giant Bijuu's flying no diff couldn't budge Rotation nor phase it in the slightest, nothing Sakura can do will phase it. Unless you think Sakura has more force and power then the Juubi...
(Quote You are making up stuff, that is not a variation of Juuken, Quote )
You misunderstand me on a couple points.
I merely used the full body blow to show u that the chakra harnessed for that technique can be solely applied to the hands making juuken deadlier and more effective against big opponents,as wat happend to the spider..
It also never showed the need to expand in such a way to create webs
and the scan clearly indicates that the spider expanded because of the hit it received and not because of the spider's will..
Reason for the exclamation mark showed,i see no reason why juuken cant be used in this way to counter sakura's small forehead/brain.
As for kaiten,i stated that it would knock away sakura's raw focused burst CES,blasting it away at point of impact,as the hards/feet meet the revolution,i never said that it can knock away everything made of chakra.
Naruto lost kcm because it was knocked away by early stage 2 kaiten..
Thats wat was hinted and also wat was stated by ten ten..
You misunderstand me on a couple points.
I merely used the full body blow to show u that the chakra harnessed for that technique can be solely applied to the hands making juuken deadlier and more effective against big opponents,as wat happend to the spider.
The fact that he can release chakra from every chakra opening in his body makes it more possible for you that the spider exploded due to the amount of chakra Neji put into it?
I can't find a conection between these two skills...
Of course it exploded due to the hit, but going from there to chakra inyection to make people blow up, sounds way too far fetched to me, and again, data and manga doesn't support it, there is nothing even close that suggest Juuken has those capabilities, and you are only stating it according to your own interpretation.
Again? I already said it, It wasn't a trap that the spider set but Kidoumaru.
Sure... Hyuugas can do that but instead they preffer to hit the target 64 times to prevent him from channeling chakra, that makes sense (?).
Troll-free counter was provided above.
As for kaiten,i stated that it would knock away sakura's raw focused burst CES,blasting it away at point of impact,as the hards/feet meet the revolution,i never said that it can knock away everything made of chakra.
Now we are getting somewhere. Kaiten would knock the chakra out of Sakura's CES fist away, and not back to her.
But only full Kaiten, with the spinning and everything. State one of Rotation, and even early part 2 gets obliterated...
If the Force from A juubi who had the same force to send 2 giant Bijuu's flying no diff couldn't budge Rotation nor phase it in the slightest, nothing Sakura can do will phase it. Unless you think Sakura has more force and power then the Juubi...
