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Now i have seen many threads like this and apparently hinata wins because of Gentle fist........WTH does that mean??? She has a weaker gentle fist than her sister, the disgraced heir? I'm not going to instantly call in Sakura's favor but Hinata has very view feats we have no reason to say she is Stronger faster or smarter than Sakura. Prove me wrong if you disagree.
Sakura
May use the seal has access to summons/ bear in mind the dodging training Tsunade but her through
Feats that either of them achieved under the influence of Naruto's chakra is banned
Hinata
may use 64 palms and palm rotation (i giving palm rotation even though manga or anime i has never shown her using it to be nice and give a defense measure)
Both have a standard ninja tool packet fight takes place on the training field.
All arguments for either side can not be freaking one sentence scenario must be fully explained and counter arguments must be presented
If Hinata has rotation, I'd say she wins, if not, Sakura wins this .
My explanation: Hinata has 3.5 in taijutsu, while Sakura has 3. It may be a miniscule gape, but it's still their never the less. Of course, in terms of reflexes, I'd say they're even, since Taijutsu depends on reflexes to begin with
If Sakura is to punch the ground, Rotation can keep Hinata safe from harm. Keep in mind that this isn't a one hit KO, since af least two juubi clpnes survived it. The after math of that would lead to a cloud of dust, meaning Sakura would not be able to see Hinata. Hinata, however, with her Byakugan, would be able to see through the cloud of dust, and attack accordingly.
aNd honestly, I don't think Katsuyu is much of a Threat
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Now i have seen many threads like this and apparently hinata wins because of Gentle fist........WTH does that mean??? She has a weaker gentle fist than her sister, the disgraced heir?
Everytime I see comments like this, I can’t help but pity Hinata haters. The list of things to hate on Hinata for is virtually non existent, so these haters are always pulling things out of their ass
This is a fine example of the blindess Antis have because of their hate for Hinata. They use a statement from 600+ (!!!) chapters ago/4 years ago Manga-time, to try and desperately degrade Hinata to being below Hanabi….. Despite her learning air palm, twin lion fists, 64 palms and possibly more….. Despite her polishing her taijutsu and visual prowess in general… Despite her fighting in the war and even saving Naruto 3 times and the whole alliance from the god damned JUUBI along with Ino. ….. Yes, Hanabi, who we haven’t even seen use the BASIC gentle fist style, who isn’t fighting in the war, and who isn’t a chunnin, is stronger than Hinata….. Of course.
If Hinata has rotation, I'd say she wins, if not, Sakura wins this .
My explanation: Hinata has 3.5 in taijutsu, while Sakura has 3. It may be a miniscule gape, but it's still their never the less. Of course, in terms of reflexes, I'd say they're even, since Taijutsu depends on reflexes to begin with
Yes, and you conveniently left out the fact that Sakura is faster and smarter than her in a battlefield.
Sakura has proven to be an analytic type shinobi many times, and also has many speed feats that supports the level Kishi assigned her in the Third Databook. She also has better Stamina, pretty important in a Vs...
Sakura can always escape from Hinata's hands, due to her speed and knowledge from Hyuuga's style, or by just stomping the ground causing Hinata to back away and probably dealing some damage, depends on how far Hinata encounters.
And the thing is Sakura has to hit her once and it's done...
If Sakura is to punch the ground, Rotation can keep Hinata safe from harm. Keep in mind that this isn't a one hit KO, since af least two juubi clpnes survived it. The after math of that would lead to a cloud of dust, meaning Sakura would not be able to see Hinata. Hinata, however, with her Byakugan, would be able to see through the cloud of dust, and attack accordingly.
aNd honestly, I don't think Katsuyu is much of a Threat
Yes, Kaiten can protect Hinata from Sakura's "Shanaro!!" (stomp in the ground), but Kaiten won't protect her forever, plus It has many weaknesses that I already discuss with you:
Chakra Shroud:
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CES would tear apart Kaiten at those specific parts, since It was already proven CES can break more advanced chakra techniques:
I do have reason to believe that hinata is faster, more skilled & effectively stronger in every area of direct combat than Sakura, OP
quantity of feats is irrelevant. quality of feats is what matters. Hinata is a taijutsu specialist & sakura is a support specialist
Hinata doesn't have kaiten, but she does have far greater attack speed than sakura, who may just be the slowest attacker in manga
Hinata can counter sakuras attacks w/ lion fists or basic jyuuken. she can defend w/ air palms.
jyuken can stop her automatic healing.
and I always flatly refute & dismiss any ground punch arguments, as its a nonsensical, baseless point.
its not offensive, nor is it an actual credible jutsu. and if the argument were to be allowed, it would be applied only to further bias & not held to a consistent standard in other hypothetical match-ups w/ sakura/tsunade
Smarts don't really matter unless the user can use it to their advantage. How would Sakura exploit hinata's fighting style?
I don't know which one his faster on foot, but Hinata is definitely the faster one In close combat attacks.
Sakura has proven to be an analytic type shinobi many times, and also has many speed feats that supports the level Kishi assigned her in the Third Databook. She also has better Stamina, pretty important in a Vs...
I don't think Sakura could escape Hinata's attacks by simply backing away, she's capable of attacking 32 times in one second and her fighting style focuses on staying close to the enemy through linear and circular movements... This has been shown when Hinata attacked pain, and he was moving back to try and escape hinata, yet Hinata was still staying in close range of him. so I don't think Sakura could just back away from hinata's attacks.
Sakura also doesn't know about the gentle fist style, so she would be in the dark about that. The clan is pretty secretive anyways
or by just stomping the ground causing Hinata to back away and probably dealing some damage, depends on how far Hinata encounters.
Do you really think she'd have time to execute a stomp fast enough if Hinata was close to her? If she did lift one foot up and attempt to stomp, Air Palm can knock her off balance. Its a fast technique and one that can't be seen.
And the thing is Sakura has to hit her once and it's done...
Yes, Kaiten can protect Hinata from Sakura's "Shanaro!!" (stomp in the ground), but Kaiten won't protect her forever, plus It has many weaknesses that I already discuss with you:
Chakra Shroud:
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CES would tear apart Kaiten at those specific parts, since It was already proven CES can break more advanced chakra techniques:
Heavenly Rotation has been compared to Gaara’s sand in term of defensive capabilities. Now, you compared it Susano'O to Rotation, but you need to remember that, Rotation is not only a defense that blocks; it blocks and counter-attacks. Its more than just a defensive wall, its also an attack.
Also, it is denser than susano’O, as, unlike Susano’O, it isn’t hollow. Rather, Rotation is a dense sphere of spinning chakra.
The radius of Rotation is another advantage since this allows Hinata to easily keep Sakura away from her if she feels like she is in a bad possession, rendering both projectile attacks and taijutsu rather futile.
Really, rotation has a better track record than Gaara’s sand. The weakest attack that has gotten through the sand was a Chidori while the only thing in the entire series to break through Rotation was an attack from the juubi. Also, keep in mind that it wasn’t even the power of the spikes THEMSELVES that gave Neji trouble, it was merely the sheer number of them.
Nothing can get through rotation from what we know. When Hiashi and Neji used rotation to block the juubi's hand, The ten tails hand should have at least been able to push it back or at least not been pushed back at all if rotation wasn’t that strong.
Rotation is also a defense that blows away any chakra that is thrown at it, meaning that the chakra Sakura uses for her CES will be blown away, rendering her punches weak. It has also been said to be able to block physical attacks, again, something that is not good for Sakura.
Out of the three ultimate defenses, Rotation is the only one that blocks and repels, the other two (susano'O and sand) simply block
With her byakugo activated she gains super speed based on the jutsu massively amping her strength and the feat where she caught up to the juubi clone
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she punched.
Other than air palm which isn't doing anything to sakura but knocking her back, hinata is a pure close quarter combat fighter. She isn't more durable than juubilings who can take base sakura's punches, and she has to get close to sakura in order to do some real damage which means sakura does
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and hinata meets the same fate as those juubilings. Even if hinata is still in the fight, she would be in no position to dodge since she'd in midair which would allow sakura to end her with a punch.
Then there's the fact that sakura can summon at least 5% Katsuya.
As far as hype/portrayal goes, Sakura is 2 tiers above hinata since she's clearly kage level (stronger than the weakest kage), and is being compared to tsunade left and right. She's out there powering the entire alliance with her byakugou and taking out platoons of juubilings with single punches while hinata is beating them one by one. Byakugo Sakura was also portrayed to at least be on the level of base Naruto and Sasuke, both of which are far beyond hinata and are kage level.
So I don't understand how hinata can compete with current sakura. A much better matchup would be sakura w/o her byakugo seal vs hinata.
Smarts don't really matter unless the user can use it to their advantage. How would Sakura exploit hinata's fighting style?
I don't know which one his faster on foot, but Hinata is definitely the faster one In close combat attacks.
Her Taijutsu it's better, her offensive CQC skills are better, her "movement and reaction timing" is lower.
In one of the first pages of the Databook are the definitions given by Kishi to every stat, and that one was the one for Speed. Now I can't find the page, the blog where I used to find the complete Databook in Spanish has been closed apparently... If you have it please post it.
Tactics is a great part of Sakura's fightsyle, she has many battle smart feats, now, how would she exploit Hinata's weaknesses is not something I can predict accurately, the thing is she has great analytic skills, I already showed you many times:
Finding Kakashi, by evacuating any other alternative.
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Memorizing hand and strings movement pattern in order to foresight Sasori's attacks, only with observation.
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Fooling Sasori, making him believe she was badly injured and poisoned, setting him a trap that left the fourth Kazekage's puppet destroyed.
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Criptography Unit, on pair with Shikamaru and his fan:
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Figuring out Tobi's jutsu before anyone, only with observation.
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Discovering the spy in the Medical Squad, and realizing how Zetsu's jutsu worked, just with observation and Yamato's report.
Sakura is faster, smarter, and has more stamina (all 0.5 higher than Hinata's) and is more skilled in Genjutsu (1 point higher) and hand seals (1 point higher) than Hinata.
Hinata is only superior in Taijutsu (0.5 higher), and there is a tie in their skills in Ninjutsu.
If you are going to underestimate a 0.5 difference, do it with all the data, cause the one stat Hinata is superior than Sakura is only higher by 0.5 point too.
Actually, she had analyzed many enemies with even more complex jutsus and movement patterns , and even succeeded in exploiting their weaknesses. Figuring out Hinata, a canonically inferior Kunoichi, doesn't seem that unlikely you know?
she's capable of attacking 32 times in one second and her fighting style focuses on staying close to the enemy through linear and circular movements...
This has been shown when Hinata attacked pain, and he was moving back to try and escape hinata, yet Hinata was still staying in close range of him. so I don't think Sakura could just back away from hinata's attacks.
Sakura had access to Tsunade's library where there are many secrets, such as who was the culprit of Uchiha's massacre.
Also, Sakura did saw Neji and Hinata fighting before. Once against each other, and another time in the Chunnins Finals...
Do you really think she'd have time to execute a stomp fast enough if Hinata was close to her? If she did lift one foot up and attempt to stomp, Air Palm can knock her off balance. Its a fast technique and one that can't be seen.
Time is actually needed to perform that? She only needs to crush the ground with her fist or foot when Hinata attacks in a way Sakura cannot evade, but again, that would be very unlikely considering the data and the feats both Kunoichis have.
Heavenly Rotation has been compared to Gaara’s sand in term of defensive capabilities. Now, you compared it Susano'O to Rotation, but you need to remember that, Rotation is not only a defense that blocks; it blocks and counter-attacks. Its more than just a defensive wall, its also an attack.
Gaara's defence? You mean that Sand ball that gets destroyed everytime gaara uses it? Sasuke pierced it, Deidara found the way to get past it...
A counter attack? Interesting, you mean this fodder push?
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But, yes, you do have a point. The thing is I never said CES could pierce through Rotation, and though I think It have great chances to do so, I can't prove it. I only said Sakura could destroy the 2 first states of it: The chakra shroud and in the very beginning of Kaiten. Susanno is definitely a stronger defense that those states.
An unfinished, early, rookie Susanno Sasuke used in the Kage's Reunion was able to tank 4 high level jutsu at the same time:
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CES had broken Madara's Susanno, not that.... thing Sasuke did...
And Neji's Kaiten, not the hypothetical, imaginary and undoubtedly weaker one that Hinata has, had trouble tanking wooden spikes:
The radius of Rotation is another advantage since this allows Hinata to easily keep Sakura away from her if she feels like she is in a bad possession, rendering both projectile attacks and taijutsu rather futile.
Who cares? She can't kill with it, only protect herself, using that jutsu doesn't guarantee her victory at all.
I already prove Sakura can destroy that defense in its early state, so it's not changing anything.
Really, rotation has a better track record than Gaara’s sand. The weakest attack that has gotten through the sand was a Chidori while the only thing in the entire series to break through Rotation was an attack from the juubi. Also, keep in mind that it wasn’t even the power of the spikes THEMSELVES that gave Neji trouble, it was merely the sheer number of them.
Doesn't matter, It is still a weaker defense than Susanno, who tanked many S class attacks simultaneously at an mastered state, and CES was able to pierce a much stronger version of it.
And those were wooden spikes, Mokuton used by Madara through the Juubi.
Nothing can get through rotation from what we know. When Hiashi and Neji used rotation to block the juubi's hand, The ten tails hand should have at least been able to push it back or at least not been pushed back at all if rotation wasn’t that strong.
Rotation is also a defense that blows away any chakra that is thrown at it, meaning that the chakra Sakura uses for her CES will be blown away, rendering her punches weak. It has also been said to be able to block physical attacks, again, something that is not good for Sakura.
Where rotation did that chakra blowing away thing again? A stake was able pierced it but a huge amount of chakra focused on a single spot can't?
CES broke a stronger version of a jutsu that couldn't be scratched by 4 high level jutsus, and Kaiten happens to be stronger than that? Seems legit... (?)
