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Sakura fainted from hitting her head against a bridge, not by Kabuto :lol And Kabuto being launched by Naruto's power doesn't equate to Sakura receiving that same shock wave into her head at all
Kabuto didn't receive a direct hit on the head, Sakura receive a hit from KAbuto's body, and then against the floor.
But any of this matter, Air Palm is mostly a defensive attack, it's unclaoked offensive feats are pure garbage.
That pressure is highly focused and would be enough to knock Sakura out considering Hinata's base Air Palm is on par with Neji's as per their Wall Palm combo, and her having Hamura's Chakra would increase that to the same as what she showed in 616
Omg still with the Hamura's chakra? You never change.
It's ridiculous to assume that Neji and Hinata are equal at anything just because they did a Wall Palm combo, I don't see any rational line of logic that would make me or anyone conclude that.
Air palm is still a fodder attack, even for Neji.
Your entire second paragraph is nothing short of fanfiction and void of any logic. Sakura punching the ground isn't tripping someone capable of using 64 Palms, nor has it ever shown the feat to do so to begin with, nor has Hinata ever fainted from such a thing unlike Sakura, and she has never killed anyone with a grounded CBI
Actually Hinata trips, A LOT, once on canon manga, and two times on The Last. She already knew 64 palms by then, I don't see why you think knowing that skill will make her trip any less anyway, but she kept falling down anyway. And I know, "only 3 times?" you will say, "is that a lot?" Well... considering how many screen and panel time Hinata has had, yeah, It is a lot.
So I am more than certain that a shock-wave like the ones Sakura can pull will make her more than just trip. And yes, shock-waves like that look quite deadly in the very core of the explosion, in chapter 532 you can appreciate it, many juubi clones lost their life to it.
 

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Kabuto didn't receive a direct hit on the head, Sakura receive a hit from KAbuto's body, and then against the floor.
I know, and it's the bridge that knocked her out.

But any of this matter, Air Palm is mostly a defensive attack, it's unclaoked offensive feats are pure garbage.
Sending Kisame flying away, who weighs a ton, is a bad feat apparently.

Omg still with the Hamura's chakra? You never change.
And I can see you're still in your little bubble denying a character's own words. :coffee:

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It's ridiculous to assume that Neji and Hinata are equal at anything just because they did a Wall Palm combo, I don't see any rational line of logic that would make me or anyone conclude that.
They used Wall Palm together, meaning the speed and power is the same, because that's how the technique works when used by two hands, as shown by Hiashi doing it solo, both hands released equal power and speed. The speed would also need to be the same for the attack to even work

portrayal is also a VERY big thing that should be taken in, as that scene depicts Hinata fighting as Neji's equal.

Air palm is still a fodder attack, even for Neji.
Still good enough to send Kisame flying, who weighs more than Sakura or Kabuto, so Sakura's forehead gets blasted and she gets knocked out.

Actually Hinata trips, A LOT, once on canon manga,
Stop it, you clown :lol She tripped due to being low on chakra, just like Naruto, Sasuke, Neji, and Deidara all did. You know this and I know this, and I know I've explained this to your sorry ass already.

and two times on The Last.
lmao I can still see your dumbass thinks the ground breaking beneath someone with literally nothing below them causing them to fall counts as tripping :lmao: Two instances, mind you, where Hinata wasn't even in a battle situation, meaning off guard.

So I am more than certain that a shock-wave like the ones Sakura can pull will make her more than just trip. And yes, shock-waves like that look quite deadly in the very core of the explosion, in chapter 532 you can appreciate it, many juubi clones lost their life to it.
Too bad Sakura needs to jump first to do that much damage, in which case her defenseless body gets stopped by Air Palm.
 

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Sending Kisame flying away, who weighs a ton, is a bad feat apparently.
30% chakra Kisame Clone =/= Actual Kisame.
And I can see you're still in your little bubble denying a character's own words. :coffee:

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Wow new evidence, you have never showed me that before (?)

They used Wall Palm together, meaning the speed and power is the same, because that's how the technique works when used by two hands, as shown by Hiashi doing it solo, both hands released equal power and speed. The speed would also need to be the same for the attack to even work
It doesn't mean anything you just said, you are bluffing big time, they don't need to be on the same level to use it. Stop on this subjuect, Air Palm is still useless offensively, let alone against someone with CR.
portrayal is also a VERY big thing that should be taken in, as that scene depicts Hinata fighting as Neji's equal.
OMG just stop there, they were never equals at anything, Hinata was tiers below at everything except Byakugan range as far as I am concerned. And you know it. Just stop on this, you are going to begin a war with you allies, the Neji fans, bring the featless Hamura sh*t against instead.
Still good enough to send Kisame flying, who weighs more than Sakura or Kabuto, so Sakura's forehead gets blasted and she gets knocked out.
30% chakra clone Kisame, not impressed. Sakura has CR girl, there is no way in the seven circles of Dante's hell that Air Palm will injure Sakura, let alone incapacitate her. To be honest, It's hard to imagine a defensive technique like that knocking down anyone that is not a fodder Zetsu.
Stop it, you clown :lol She tripped due to being low on chakra, just like Naruto, Sasuke, Neji, and Deidara all did. You know this and I know this, and I know I've explained this to your sorry ass already.
Hard to tell, the other you named were shown actually using tons of chakra before they fell, but was she? Besides, she did fell another 2 times after that.
lmao I can still see your dumbass thinks the ground breaking beneath someone with literally nothing below them causing them to fall counts as tripping :lmao: Two instances, mind you, where Hinata wasn't even in a battle situation, meaning off guard.
I know right?! And I don;t know why do you bring it up, it makes her look even worse. No pressure at all, no way that she may lose focus, but then again, and again. Too bad.
Too bad Sakura needs to jump first to do that much damage, in which case her defenseless body gets stopped by Air Palm.
Actually she doesn't, It's not about leverage, It's called Chakra Enhanced Strength for a reason, Kakashi explained it in early Part 2.
It's not about how high you jump, what it actually matters is how much chakra you focus in your hand or feet, and release it all at once in the very same time it makes contact. I thought you knew that, I am kind of disappointed.
I could post the scan, but I am feeling lazy. You are a big girl, you can look it up right? :)
 

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30% chakra Kisame Clone =/= Actual Kisame.
Weight doesn't change genius
Wow new evidence, you have never showed me that before (?)
No need for more evidence when your stupid ass ignores a character's own words

It doesn't mean anything you just said, you are bluffing big time, they don't need to be on the same level to use it. Stop on this subjuect, Air Palm is still useless offensively, let alone against someone with CR.

OMG just stop there, they were never equals at anything, Hinata was tiers below at everything except Byakugan range as far as I am concerned. And you know it. Just stop on this, you are going to begin a war with you allies, the Neji fans, bring the featless Hamura sh*t against instead.
Yes it does. If Neji's Air Palm was faster, it would hit the target first while Hinata's misses, so the speed is the same. And since Hinata has more Chakra (healed Naruto in the last in 3 seconds no matter how much you want to deny it), her power would be more.

Do you question if Naruto or Minato did more for their combined Rasengan? Bee and Ay with their double lariat? Lee with the other Gate users in The Last? Kiba and Akamaru? Nope, because understanding protrayal tells us they are all equal, like Neji and Hinata with air palm.

30% chakra clone Kisame, not impressed. Sakura has CR girl, there is no way in the seven circles of Dante's hell that Air Palm will injure Sakura, let alone incapacitate her.
Doesn't need to injure her, it will knock her out, and Byakugo doesn't deal with stopping brain concussions nor does Sakura have any feats of tanking anything since she got knocked out by a bridge

To be honest, It's hard to imagine a defensive technique like that knocking down anyone that is not a fodder Zetsu.
Sakura got knocked out by a bridge. A shockwave strong enough to send Kisame flying is superior.

Hard to tell, the other you named were shown actually using tons of chakra before they fell, but was she? Besides, she did fell another 2 times after that.
Shikamaru said everyone was. And before you say Shikamaru wouldn't know, it's called narrative. Hinata was also fighting 2 days non stop, more so than some of the other characters.
I know right?! And I don;t know why do you bring it up, it makes her look even worse. No pressure at all, no way that she may lose focus, but then again, and again. Too bad.
So ground crumbling beneath you in a corner of a building and on a floating orb equate to ground crumbling on flat lands where there is actually somwhere to jump to unlike the examples you retardly keep bringing up.

Actually she doesn't, It's not about leverage, It's called Chakra Enhanced Strength for a reason, Kakashi explained it in early Part 2.
It's not about how high you jump, what it actually matters is how much chakra you focus in your hand or feet, and release it all at once in the very same time it makes contact. I thought you knew that, I am kind of disappointed.
I could post the scan, but I am feeling lazy. You are a big girl, you can look it up right?
You got feats of Sakura being able to focus enough Chakra in her fist for that much damage without needing to jump? no you dont, now sit down.
 

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Why is the impact of war arc Neji and uncloaked Hinata's vacuum palm being compared to an impact facilitated by Kyuubi's roar? Why is early Shippuden Sakura's resilience being compared to Byakogou Sakura's?
lol Don't say Kyuubi roar as if it was what did it. Not the roar. Not Kabuto's butt. But the bridge itself.

Because Sakura hasn't shown to be able to tank blunt force ever since she got knocked out. Byakugo deals with speeding up cell division, and that has no relation to stopping a concussion in any shape or form.
 

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Weight doesn't change genius
Really? So glad to hear that, because that was not Kisame, was a fodder guy from Suna that Akatsuki was using as a spy.
Updating Air Palm feat N¹: Pushed the weight of a fodder guy a couple of meters away. Nice.
No need for more evidence when your stupid ass ignores a character's own words
Actually It's my stupid ass interpreting something else. But since we are going to debate with hype with no feats whatsover, I say Sakura is a Jonin and this ends right here? What if I go back to feats and say that Sakura was able to evade the attack from the golem in the movie, and Hinata had to be saved by Naruto? What if I question the continuity of the hypothetical power she got in the movie?
Yes it does. If Neji's Air Palm was faster, it would hit the target first while Hinata's misses, so the speed is the same. And since Hinata has more Chakra (healed Naruto in the last in 3 seconds no matter how much you want to deny it), her power would be more.
Actually, Neji could nerf himself in order to match Hinata right? Or maybe, just maybe, since we both are speculating because there is nothing on the 4th Databook about this, they only need to perform it at the same time, and the attack will naturally get stronger. There are many other possibilities that you are conveniently not thinking that in my opinion seems more likely, since we know there was no moment in Neji's life that Hinata was on the same level as him.
It's too much of a weak defense of the claim that they were on equal level of Air Palm just because the did Wall Air Palm together.
She healed? She only provided enough chakra to make Naruto have his cloak for a moment, it doesn't mean he was full and It certainly doesn't mean there was any kind of healing.
Do you question if Naruto or Minato did more for their combined Rasengan? Bee and Ay with their double lariat? Lee with the other Gate users in The Last? Kiba and Akamaru? Nope, because understanding protrayal tells us they are all equal, like Neji and Hinata with air palm.
You re comparing requirements and feats of different techniques. Too much speculation with strong arguments against it.
Doesn't need to injure her, it will knock her out, and Byakugo doesn't deal with stopping brain concussions nor does Sakura have any feats of tanking anything since she got knocked out by a bridge
Fair enough, still, Air Palm is a sh*ty skill. It wouldn't knock down anyone. It could barely push the weight of the random fodder's body.
Sakura got knocked out by a bridge. A shockwave strong enough to send Kisame flying is superior.
I thought you said weight doesn't change, so It was only the weigh of the Suna spy, not Kisame's. And actually makes a lot of sense.
Shikamaru said everyone was. And before you say Shikamaru wouldn't know, it's called narrative. Hinata was also fighting 2 days non stop, more so than some of the other characters.
But she was refiled too, remember the cloak? Yeah, I am not convinced. Many were on her same situation and didn't fell down, besides, she did fell 2 more times remember?
So ground crumbling beneath you in a corner of a building and on a floating orb equate to ground crumbling on flat lands where there is actually somwhere to jump to unlike the examples you retardly keep bringing up.
Chill, you claimed 64 palms makes her the queen of balance, well, apparently she It's not :)
You got feats of Sakura being able to focus enough Chakra in her fist for that much damage without needing to jump? no you dont, now sit down.
OMG really? Sure you wanna go there? You are that desperate already? Do you even realize in how much trouble you are If I start doubting all the hype every single of your claims are standing on? Hamura's chakratardness goes down easy pizzy, Air palm goes down for good, and we go back to the forever Chuunin, useless piece of a shinobi that was neglected by her father for her poor skill that is Hinata.
I wouldn't recommend it.

I have the very definition of how CES work, and it doesn't require any jumping:
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She only jumped in order to approach her targets.
See? I am playing nice ;)
 
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Byakugou is heling jutsu that creates new cells it doesn´t increase body sturdiness / durability nor was it ever said to do this.

1 . What tanking feats Sakura has against pure physical attack ?

I remember couple of them :

A) Got knocked out by regular punch to the head

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You think something changed in part 2 ???? Nope

B) Got knocked out again

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C) again

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D) Now you dont even need to punch her.she will faint away

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2. When did hitting the ground worked against opponent who can actually react not just stand there and watch ???

. Hitting the ground only worked against Zetsu,Shin and Juubi clones. It only worked against clones who are nothing more but fodders and plot tool whose job is to show us others performing their jutsus on them.

Hitting the ground never worked like here.

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Kabuto even admits he sucks at taijutsu yet still he is able to dodge her attacks

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And here half Kabuto body is literally underground while Tsunade is in air yet he still has time to react.
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We have similar case here. true this is Sasori but its same example hitting the ground and those debris can be dodged even by Chiyo
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Only time debris are hard to dodge is when Sakura jumps high into air but that can easily be prevented by vacumm palm or just by shunshin away.


Can someone post scans of debris hitting someone who isn´t some fodder or clone and scans of Sakura actually tanking physical attack that is above average level in terms of strength
 
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- ES Sakura loses to all of them

- War and Adult are more or less the same. They definitely beat every version of Neji and Hinata, Hiashi is a toss up, while KC Hiashi beats her.
 

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Sakura won't beat Neji let alone Hiashi, her fighting style is for close combat yet her Taijutsu is inferior to part 1 Chunin Exam Lee & Neji (going by DB states and feats :lol) and her speed is nothing that Neji can't handle. she might be faster than Hiashi but Neji is easily faster even if we ignored the DB states.

he, despite being critically injured and having TWO ****ing HOLES in his body, was able to cross 50 meters to catch up with his falling target in a matter of few seconds and strike his Chakra points (which are the size of the tip of the needle) instantly in mid-air and damage his organs, and all that while enduring all the pain.
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uninjured Neji is much faster than an injured one and part 2 Neji is far faster than his part 1 self so he should be faster than Sakura and that without even counting the Byakugan which boosts his reaction speed even further.

he has better Taijutsu (again, her Taijutsu is even inferior to his part 1 self :lol) a better speed and his and he has an insane striking speed. so once Neji gets in a melee range she is done for. I don't want to hear any pathetic excuses such as "b-b-but Neji needs many hits while Sakura only needs one hit" when she doesn't even have the capability to land this hit and the fact the 64 palms doesn't work that way.

the 64 palms is basically a maneuver of the Gentle Fist style, it isn't just a straight pokes like most people think, otherwise it would've not been considered as a powerful technique passed only to the main house. it would disable Byakugou and is the game ender here, it is a very high-speed combo and each hit block a Tenketsu and is delivered forcefully.

the Jutsu start with the user , then , which means that first two hits are more forceful than the other due to the spinning momentum and it will make the enemy unstable which will make reacting to the rest of the combo very difficult. Sakura isn't fast enough to evade Neji's striking speed nor she is skilled enough to counter nor her hand speed is fast enough to parry his attacks and there's fact that he can anticipate her movement with the Byakugan and his precision and good timing was noted by the likes of Kakashi and Hiruzen when he was just 13 y/o.
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"b-but she reacted to Kaguya's arm that was too fast"

Irrelevant :lol, reacting to something linear from a far distance =/= reacting to strikes and maneuvers in Taijutsu fights. just because I managed to evade a car moving linearly at a high speed from a good distance does not mean that I would be able to beat Mike Tyson in a fist fight lmao. this logic is just so flawed and shows the lack of knowledge about H2H combat.

the ground punching really irritates me. didn't mention anything about releasing Chakra so we can throw the fan fic "she concentrate it then release it to damage" out of the window.

it's called CES- Chakra Enhanced Strength. the user simply channels Chakra to the fist to increase its strength it which means more momentum = more power, less momentum = less power so can be prevented easily, because she needed to build up a lot of momentum to cause such an impact so anyone can prevent it easily by attacking her while she is in mid-air. (the Hyuga can do it with Air Palm).

it isn't the Chakra what causes the damage, it's their natural strength enhanced by the Chakra what cause it. that's why cutting their muscles disrupt their strength [ ].

that's the scale of the damage that is done when CES user hit the ground directly without jumping.
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which can be easily evaded by anyone. however, it is stated that Byakugou increases one's power but we don't how much it increase it so even if the CES user punched the ground while Byakugou activated, I doubt that the scale of the impact is going to be as large as the one that Sakura displayed at the war arc because nothing suggests that IIRC.

if Sakura would punch the ground she'd do nothing but put herself at a disadvantage since there will be dust after impact which prevented her from seeing Gaint ass Juubi clones that were very close to her.

Neji can use the dust to his advantage since the Byakugan can see through it and then strike her with air palm to knock her out and engage her in CQC and once he gets in a melee range, it's game over

but Sakura can win if she summons Katsuyu, but even with that, it is still a mid-high diff. and Hiashi trashes her with or without Katsuyu.

but that's if we are speaking about war arc Sakura, Adult Sakura stomps Neji even without Katsuyu and has a chance against Hiashi.
 
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Really? So glad to hear that, because that was not Kisame, was a fodder guy from Suna that Akatsuki was using as a spy.
Updating Air Palm feat N¹: Pushed the weight of a fodder guy a couple of meters away. Nice.
Fair enough, still, Air Palm is a sh*ty skill. It wouldn't knock down anyone. It could barely push the weight of the random fodder's body.
I thought you said weight doesn't change, so It was only the weigh of the Suna spy, not Kisame's. And actually makes a lot of sense.
This literal dumbass is honest to god trying to claim the shapeshifting (Keyword: SHAPE shifting) technique that even copied Itachi's ****ING Manegkyo Sharingan and Kisame's damn sword wouldn't copy the person's weight!!! :lmao::lmao::lmao:

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Actually It's my stupid ass interpreting something else.
Yeah, you're blatantly ignoring Hinata's own words and making up bs about how all Hyugas have Hamura's Chakra when that is nothing short of fanfiction never once mentioned in the damn movie nor do people ever inherit their ancestor's chakras.

, I say Sakura is a Jonin and this ends right here?
Stop embarrassing yourself FFS. So Chunnin Shikamaru is above Neji, Lee, Naruto, and Gaara? You know just as well as I do that ranks are irrelevant in fights, especially when they factor in far more than just who is stronger, so why are you trying to convince yourself otherwise??? :lol

What if I go back to feats and say that Sakura was able to evade the attack from the golem in the movie, and Hinata had to be saved by Naruto?
And Hinata didn't have Byakugan on, which would make her reflexes superior. Not to mention Naruto grabbed her instantly meaning she didn't even get a chance to jump on her own :lol

And like I've said millions of times before, objects from far away being avoided or not are nowhere relevant to actual H2H combat fights and I find it so damn hilarious you can't comprehend that.

What if I question the continuity of the hypothetical power she got in the movie?
What do you mean? You're already doing that, smartass.
Actually, Neji could nerf himself in order to match Hinata right?
No reason to assume he has when they are in a war.
Or maybe, just maybe, since we both are speculating because there is nothing on the 4th Databook about this, they only need to perform it at the same time, and the attack will naturally get stronger.
You have nothing to back that up, not even any logical explanation, unlike me.
There are many other possibilities that you are conveniently not thinking that in my opinion seems more likely,
If you want to make up nonsensical scenarios with no rhyme or reason, go ahead.

since we know there was no moment in Neji's life that Hinata was on the same level as him.
Must be why she saved him from a Zetsu and surpassed him in 64 Palms.

It's too much of a weak defense of the claim that they were on equal level of Air Palm just because the did Wall Air Palm together.
Nope, Neji has no reason to be holding back in a war, and I already explained why the speed would be the same. And since Hinata has more Chakra and has shown to be able to handle that potent Rikudo Chakra, her air Palm would be like the one in 616
She healed? She only provided enough chakra to make Naruto have his cloak for a moment, it doesn't mean he was full and It certainly doesn't mean there was any kind of healing.
Oh please just shut up :lol You're now resorting to undermining freaking Naruto's Chakra pool just to downplay Hinata's Chakra levels. Naruto was on his knees like he was in the war multiple times, yet Hinata resored his massive pool in a few seconds. And lmfao at even acting like Naruto entering 100% KCM even for a few seconds is anything small. It shows her pool is larger than Neji's, therefore her Air Palm would be far more powerful than what Neji displayed against the extremely heavy Kisame, which would be more than enough to knock Sakura out.

You re comparing requirements and feats of different techniques.
Nope. Simple fact is, characters using same jutsu in unison by portrayal always has them on par as per the examples I gave you, so there is no reason at all to ***** about Hinata and Neji using Air Palm to be any different a case from all of those.

But she was refiled too, remember the cloak? Yeah, I am not convinced.
Because your being ignorant and ignoring the fact that the cloak doesn't provide stamina. Even if it did, which it doesn't, Naruto was dying, which would have rendered that useless.
Many were on her same situation and didn't fell down,
Non of them were attempting to move or run you clown :lol They were literally standing in place. Same way how Sasuke and Deidara collapsed when attempting to stand up from having low Chakra

besides, she did fell 2 more times remember?
Two times when the ground beneath her disappeared isn't the same as the ground beneath her barely crumbling, unless your retarded brain thinks those two instances honestly correlate to an actual fight, then god help your dumbass.

Hamura's chakratardness goes down easy pizzy
Keep denying the power of Rikudo Chakra :coffee:

Air palm goes down for good
Air Palm impact > Bridge impact > Sakura's forehead. This is canon fact.
and we go back to the forever Chuunin
Ranks are irrelevant. Unless you want to claim Shikamaru > Gaara.

useless piece of a shinobi that was neglected by her father for her poor skill that is Hinata.
Keep masturbating to part 1 all you want SS fap, Hinata was praised by Hiashi on two occasions later on, where he considered her a strong Hyuga and capable of protecting Neji. Naruto also praises her constantly.

And let's not bring up her stance as a shinobi when Failkura wanted to abandon her village on multiple occasions, constantly cries her ass off in the middle of dire situations. Meanwhile, Hinata leaves Naruto to save the world and her sister and is capable of holding back her tears unlike Sakura in order to push through difficult situations. And of course, her mentality to the village is the same as Naruto's, Hiruzen's, and Hashirama's, treating the whole village as family, while Sakura can barely show kindess to her own kid.

I have the very definition of how CES work, and it doesn't require any jumping:
More momentum = Bigger impact. This is common sense. So yeah, still no feats of Sakura being able to do that much damage without first jumping and leaving her rag doll body open for an Air Palm knock out. Claiming she can store more Chakra in her fist for more damage is fine and all, but do you have any feats or statements of how much she can store? No you don't.
She only jumped in order to approach her targets.
lmao stop lying to yourself. Running > Jumping.

Tsunade also jumped up when attempting to kick Orochimaru. Why? for momentum for course. So there goes your nonsense about CES not being enhanced by momentum of the user, as if common sense wasn't enough for you, which it never is.

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:lol :lol :lol

If you're really trying to claim that Tsunade and Sakura actually needed to jump up to do that much damage then you really gotta up your troll game, Lady. You were way better before.
 

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If you're really trying to claim that Tsunade and Sakura actually needed to jump up to do that much damage then you really gotta up your troll game, Lady. You were way better before.
They both jumped when attacking. Therefore, the momentum aided their power. It really is that simple. We have seen how relatively mundane Sakura/Tsunade's CES are when they hit the ground without jumping in comparison to when they do jump.

Even ignoring that, this shows that, in character, Sakura and Tsunade both attempt to jump when using CES on an actual opponent, so whether I agree with you or not, in-character wise, they will jump either way to attack.
 

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The clown who believed Old hiruzen is faster than hebi sasuke trying to act logical :lol


Tenten would beat hinata handily no matter how much he try to jerk over non existing feats of fodder hinata.

Few days ago was moaning hinata has better or equal taijutsu than hebi sasuke using same garbage logic.Moron also tried to fart byakugan can see in slow motion using his asinine fanfic :lol
 
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