Sakura is only book-mart with no strategy at all (?)

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Still is a pretty good strategy that destroyed the enemies best puppet.
Not only that, as I said in the thread, Sakura was able to read Sasori's moves, that shows her great analytic skills, which are also battle smart feats.

She is not an smart and independent ninja? Well, depends on who she is fighting, when she fights gods, of course she isn't...

Destroying a best puppet won't matter because her strategy didn't defeat Sasori, plus it was Chiyo puppets stabbed Sasori yet was hesitated at the last moment, so pretty sure he held back which mean he would've avoided anyway making their strategy useless.

Sakura reading Sasori moves is impressive, but like I said it won't matter because she had no way to deal to approach him, except when help revolves.

And yes Sakura isn't as smart independent girl compare to Shikamaru, Neji, Sasuke, etc.

And neither could have Chiyo destroyed Hiruko without Sakura, she needed each other.
Yes, Chiyo killed Sasori right after Sakura saved her life.

Yes which brings to my point : Sakura was always involved in Teamwork strategy

Yes, many characters attack recklessly foes and get soloed or saved, not only Sakura, and no one doubts of their wisdom.

I already put some scans above.

Yes Many characters attack recklessly except for the smart and wise one. Sakura is classified as reckless one since she isn't that smart.

No, but it's still a fact Naruto said it, and admitted inferiority in tactics skills to Sakura.
Again, his feats outnumber hers, but Sakura was praised many more times for her intelligence than Naruto.

Before Naruto mastered all the technique, in begginning of Part 1, Naruto only had shadow clones, and he always out smart many opponents being the best in tactical with his clones, heck Naruto even made up a strategy with Sasuke so that he could transform himself into a shuriken and aim at Zabuza arm to free Kakashi from the Water prison. Naruto is considered to be the #1 Knucklehead Ninja yet Sakura couldn't do anything, instead Sakura was scared and she couldn't make a strategy with Naruto and Sasuke, plus she had no idea what's Naruto in mind, so even Sakura have better intelligence than Naruto, for the most part she'd alway laid back without having any thoughts, while in the meantime, Naruto half-brain could do better than Sakura Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

Destroying a best puppet won't matter because her strategy didn't defeat Sasori, plus it was Chiyo puppets stabbed Sasori yet was hesitated at the last moment, so pretty sure he held back which mean he would've avoided anyway making their strategy useless.

Sakura reading Sasori moves is impressive, but like I said it won't matter because she had no way to deal to approach him, except when help revolves.

And yes Sakura isn't as smart independent girl compare to Shikamaru, Neji, Sasuke, etc.



Yes which brings to my point : Sakura has always involved in Teamwork strategy




Yes Many characters attack recklessly except for the smart and wise one. Sakura is classified as reckless one since she isn't that smart.



Before Naruto mastered all the technique, in begginning of Part 1, Naruto only had shadow clones, and he always out smart many opponents being the best in tactical with his clones, heck Naruto even made up a strategy with Sasuke so that he could transform himself into a shuriken and aim at Zabuza arm to free Kakashi from the Water prison. Naruto is considered to be the #1 Knucklehead Ninja yet Sakura couldn't do anything, instead Sakura was scared and she couldn't make a strategy with Naruto and Sasuke, plus she had no idea what's Naruto in mind, so even Sakura have better intelligence than Naruto, for the most part she'd alway laid back without having any thoughts, while in the meantime, Naruto half-brain could do better than Sakura Lol

(I'm aware you are in a debate with the OP, but I just wanted to reply to your post , you don't have to reply back at all, since you are already in a heated discussion.)


I'm curious why you compared Sakura to Shikamaru, when Shikamaru makes neji and Sasuke look like noobs in strategy.




I can't recall a single Battle Naruto has done that didn't involve some sort of teamwork except his VOTE Battles. hmm:yeah:

Sakura can't be independent in battle, because she has never fought alone in a battle.. and when she did fight alone in a battle in part 1, she was a boss, and used strategy.

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you can point out all the flaws in a battle that you want, however, the point was that she did use strategy. She trolled a guy who was an expert fighter (for their ages) by using a simple substitution jutsu, multiple times<< all of this is part of strategy. And then you also have the ino fight.

Now what was missing from both of those fights, that Naruto and Sasuke had? Combat power and better jutsus.


Furthermore, Naruto is not a tactical guy.. lol, he is a fighter who relies on instinct, all of his clone techniques and etc, are all based on his instinct, not some sort of strategy he formed. If you were to ask him of what he did, and how he formulated it, his reply would be something like this:

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"she was scared".. yea because she wasn't taught any ninjutsu and wasn't that good in combat, had nothing to do with her not being smart.. Naruto had shadow clone to rely on plus he was basically raised in the "Hood", Sasuke had his own skills that itachi and fugaku taught him, and that he trained on his own.

 

[DoubleKamui]

Why did Sakura rush him? Because she knew she would be fine based off of her abilities.

Nah it's because she's one hell of a reckless girl. Madara could have easily killed her there (with Gudodamas) but Sakura's plot shield was too damn strong. Even if we knew she was going to survive, it still doesn't change the fact that she neglected Naruto's words and didn't even bother to strategize with him, Sasuke & Kakashi against a God-tier character. The only thing she caused was nuisance; Naruto had to save her ass.

Oh really? So Sakura is the only character that attaks someone recklessly? And the only one who needed to be saved?

Fair enough:

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Currently feeling to lazy to write what Naruto and Sasuke did wrong in all those scans.

Dude, I never said nor implied that she is the only character in the series to attack recklessly.

The thing is Sakura gets bashed so bad because she is the woman, the main woman, that means she get more panel time than other female characters, more panel time to screw it up just like any other main character, as I showed you.

If her character actually received some nice development and wasn't too centered around Sasuke, then people would like her much more.

 

[Conspirator.]

How did this thread reach 18 pages? Lol

 

[Keimil]

Destroying a best puppet won't matter because her strategy didn't defeat Sasori, plus it was Chiyo puppets stabbed Sasori yet was hesitated at the last moment, so pretty sure he held back which mean he would've avoided anyway making their strategy useless.

No, the fact that she didn't finished Sasori herself doesn;t make her strategy useless at any level.
There were like 4 states of that battle:

1. Vs Hiruko
2. Vs 4th Kazekage's Puppet
3. Vs Sasori
4. Vs 100 puppets

Sakura was relevant in all of them, doesn't really matter if she didn't defeat Sasori with her own power, the teamwork she carried away all along this great fight took the victory, not only Chiyo. Even Sasori recognized Sakura as a gifted kunoichi.

Sakura reading Sasori moves is impressive, but like I said it won't matter because she had no way to deal to approach him, except when help revolves.

Irrelevant, she ended up destroying the puppet herself, without needing to approach.

And yes Sakura isn't as smart independent girl compare to Shikamaru, Neji, Sasuke, etc.

Sakura is smarter than Neji by feats and Databook, Shikamaru is way smarter than her in battle tactics not in medic stuff or book smart, Sasuke admitted she has better analytical skills and genjutsu know-how:

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Also, Naruto considered her superior than Sasuke when it comes to tactics.

Yes which brings to my point : Sakura was always involved in Teamwork strategy

Most of characters did.

Yes Many characters attack recklessly except for the smart and wise one. Sakura is classified as reckless one since she isn't that smart.

Well that's your personal classification, Narutoverse doesn't consider her that, not even remotely.
Sakura and Shino are the most intelligent shinobies in K11 after Shikamaru. (Third Databook)

Before Naruto mastered all the technique, in begginning of Part 1, Naruto only had shadow clones, and he always out smart many opponents being the best in tactical with his clones, heck Naruto even made up a strategy with Sasuke so that he could transform himself into a shuriken and aim at Zabuza arm to free Kakashi from the Water prison. Naruto is considered to be the #1 Knucklehead Ninja yet Sakura couldn't do anything, instead Sakura was scared and she couldn't make a strategy with Naruto and Sasuke, plus she had no idea what's Naruto in mind, so even Sakura have better intelligence than Naruto, for the most part she'd alway laid back without having any thoughts, while in the meantime, Naruto half-brain could do better than Sakura Lol

Wow recalling a feat from the very first episodes from the manga to call a character intelligent.
Yes, Naruto is smart in his own way and I already said he had more battle smart feats than Sakura, but even he knows that when it come tactics Sakura and Kakashi are the bests of Team 7.

Dude, I never said nor implied that she is the only character in the series to attack recklessly.


If her character actually received some nice development and wasn't too centered around Sasuke, then people would like her much more.

I know you didn't but the point you made was already stated before by many others in this thread, and yours was just pretty handy to quote to since you provided the scans.

Most of the haters and biased people who think she isn't smart because of charging directly to Madara or not being able to stab Obito's Rinnegan, act like Sakura is the only one who makes mistakes, even the one to blame for the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Well I have news Kakashi and Minato failed to kill Obito on time, failed to prevent Gedo Mazu from being release from his body, and granted the first Rinnegan to Madara, Naruto failed to kill Madara when he had just appear in the battlefield, he decided to save Guy instead, Sasuke charged at Madara with a base sword, and he didn't even have regeneration like Sakura.
Naruto, Sai and Sasuke totally underestimated Madara and attacked him with really lame attacks when they had the chance of killing him before he became God.

But whatever, It's Sakura, she is a woman, she is no one, she is to blame.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

(I'm aware you are in a debate with the OP, but I just wanted to reply to your post , you don't have to reply back at all, since you are already in a heated discussion.)


I'm curious why you compared Sakura to Shikamaru, when Shikamaru makes neji and Sasuke look like noobs in strategy.

Because all of them are considered not only Genius in talents, but they're smart tiers.

First off with Neji:

When the rookies are trapped inside one of the sound Nin boulder, Neji was the only one to knows what's Shikamaru in-mind strategy and was able to quickly observed how to break out the boulder thanks to his byakugan.

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things from databook 3:

-"The genius of Hyuuga leaps ahead, with neither cloud nor mist obscuring his keen eyes!"
"- His easy use of the Byakugan clearly stems from his excellent analysis and judgement skills.
- The basis of his strength lies in his ability to see precise chakra flow and his unrivalled tenketsu-hitting taijutsu.
- Through hard work and study along with his natural gifts, nothing can elude Neji's vision!"


Byakugan gives him CQC advantages allowed him to formulate his strategy. As example was when he was able to defeat Kidomaru independently. Neji despite having huge disadvantage was able to independently defeat Kidomaru due to being smart and his genius talent.

Now onto Sasuke:


Sasuke was hyped up to be smart and genius and often got praised by Kakashi. Well to be fair, Sasuke mostly won due to the plot in statistically although some tactics revolves , however I would like to name some few where he actually won through strategy.

He beat Deidara, managed to by pass the Gokage, and Danzo.

He see through Danzo's Izanaghi by himself...while Karin had nothing to do but observe, he had to fight at the same time, and still when karin told "I understand, are you ready to listen", he himself told what Izanagi was, like if he was saying "I understand his ability long ago noobs".

He even trick Danzo to have the confirmation that his analyses were good. Danzo himself coment it was clever

He dominated Deidara explosive attack through his tactical movment, and was able to escaped Deidara final explosion by reserving his techniques tricked Deidara to only committed suicide himself.

Gokage was struggling to beat Sasuke himself, Sasuke countered it and knock of some building to caught off some guard.

His Sharingan gives him the advantage to pretty much occupy the situation. You get the get the drill, Sasuke is smart.

I can't recall a single Battle Naruto has done that didn't involve some sort of teamwork except his VOTE Battles. hmm:yeah:

What is VOTE battles??

Sakura can't be independent in battle, because she has never fought alone in a battle.. and when she did fight alone in a battle in part 1, she was a boss, and used strategy.

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you can point out all the flaws in a battle that you want, however, the point was that she did use strategy. She trolled a guy who was an expert fighter (for their ages) by using a simple substitution jutsu, multiple times<< all of this is part of strategy. And then you also have the ino fight.

Sakura did fought alone during the chunnin exam, yet she didn't beat them, and instead she recieved some helped from Lee, Team 10, and Sasuke. Mostly in almost every battles, her strategy always failed.

Now what was missing from both of those fights, that Naruto and Sasuke had? Combat power and better jutsus.

That's why Sakura is useless

Furthermore, Naruto is not a tactical guy.. lol, he is a fighter who relies on instinct, all of his clone techniques and etc, are all based on his instinct, not some sort of strategy he formed. If you were to ask him of what he did, and how he formulated it, his reply would be something like this:

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Of course not, but for the most part he always able to come up with the most unpredictable mindset of his in almost every opponent he fought so far. He did with Sasuke, Neji, Gaara, Zabuza, Kakuza, Pain, Edo Kages, and especially Kaguya. Yet his non-intelligence is better than her intelligence which shows how much pathetic sakura is.

"she was scared".. yea because she wasn't taught any ninjutsu and wasn't that good in combat, had nothing to do with her not being smart.. Naruto had shadow clone to rely on plus he was basically raised in the "Hood", Sasuke had his own skills that itachi and fugaku taught him, and that he trained on his own.

Still Sakura had no idea what she's doing, she's always bragging herself about useless, so she charged in the frontline hopefully she could accomplish something but always failed. Sakura doesn't utilize in combat render her pointless in intelligence

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

No, the fact that she didn't finished Sasori herself doesn;t make her strategy useless at any level.
There were like 4 states of that battle:

1. Vs Hiruko
2. Vs 4th Kazekage's Puppet
3. Vs Sasori
4. Vs 100 puppets

Sakura was relevant in all of them, doesn't really matter if she didn't defeat Sasori with her own power, the teamwork she carried away all along this great fight took the victory, not only Chiyo. Even Sasori recognized Sakura as a gifted kunoichi.

The point is the teamwork failed if Sasori was holding back in the end. Sasori recognized them through all the hard effort they've reached thus far and also praised Sakura gifted Kunoichi which has nothing to do with being smart

Irrelevant, she ended up destroying the puppet herself, without needing to approach.

Which brings to my point, she's defending herself yet she couldn't withstand it, plus She's dealing with fodder puppets like a clone instead of a real opponent. Also Chiyo control Sakura movement throughout the battles and pull back whenever things goes wrong.

Sakura is smarter than Neji by feats and Databook, Shikamaru is way smarter than her in battle tactics not in medic stuff or book smart, Sasuke admitted she has better analytical skills and genjutsu know-how:

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Also, Naruto considered her superior than Sasuke when it comes to tactics.

Don't tell me you rely on Databook score lol, please the reason why she got high intelligence is because shes a book smart lol beside you should never rely on the databook unless it was supported by the manga feats yet not much could back up your statement. Sakura being smart in combat was just nothing more but hype. Your argument is invalid.

Most of characters did.

Yes but unlike Sakura, they had always accomplished something whenever strategy was brought up.

Well that's your personal classification, Narutoverse doesn't consider her that, not even remotely.
Sakura and Shino are the most intelligent shinobies in K11 after Shikamaru. (Third Databook)

Personal?? My ass! I don't remember recalling seeing how many times sakura rushed to battlefield and always get tossed around. I don't see her accomplishment feats in smart, especially I see almost none since the itatchi pusuit arc.

Databook means nothing, if Sakura smart feats never lived up the hype

Manga>> Databook

From the way I see it, the top 3 most intelligent one are:

1. Shikamaru
2. Shino
3. Neji/Sasuke

Notice those 3 are the leader of their own team battle squad, and there's a reason why they're in top 3.

Wow recalling a feat from the very first episodes from the manga to call a character intelligent.
Yes, Naruto is smart in his own way and I already said he had more battle smart feats than Sakura, but even he knows that when it come tactics Sakura and Kakashi are the bests of Team 7.

No you got it wrong, Naruto had also shown is feats during the chuunin arc.

 

[Radice]

LOL your solo Sakura's haters

 

[KingHashirama]

Because all of them are considered not only Genius in talents, but they're smart tiers.

First off with Neji:

When the rookies are trapped inside one of the sound Nin boulder, Neji was the only one to knows what's Shikamaru in-mind strategy and was able to quickly observed how to break out the boulder thanks to his byakugan.

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things from databook 3:

-"The genius of Hyuuga leaps ahead, with neither cloud nor mist obscuring his keen eyes!"
"- His easy use of the Byakugan clearly stems from his excellent analysis and judgement skills.
- The basis of his strength lies in his ability to see precise chakra flow and his unrivalled tenketsu-hitting taijutsu.
- Through hard work and study along with his natural gifts, nothing can elude Neji's vision!"


Byakugan gives him CQC advantages allowed him to formulate his strategy. As example was when he was able to defeat Kidomaru independently. Neji despite having huge disadvantage was able to independently defeat Kidomaru due to being smart and his genius talent.

Now onto Sasuke:


Sasuke was hyped up to be smart and genius and often got praised by Kakashi. Well to be fair, Sasuke mostly won due to the plot in statistically although some tactics revolves , however I would like to name some few where he actually won through strategy.

He beat Deidara, managed to by pass the Gokage, and Danzo.

He see through Danzo's Izanaghi by himself...while Karin had nothing to do but observe, he had to fight at the same time, and still when karin told "I understand, are you ready to listen", he himself told what Izanagi was, like if he was saying "I understand his ability long ago noobs".

He even trick Danzo to have the confirmation that his analyses were good. Danzo himself coment it was clever

He dominated Deidara explosive attack through his tactical movment, and was able to escaped Deidara final explosion by reserving his techniques tricked Deidara to only committed suicide himself.

Gokage was struggling to beat Sasuke himself, Sasuke countered it and knock of some building to caught off some guard.

His Sharingan gives him the advantage to pretty much occupy the situation. You get the get the drill, Sasuke is smart.





What is VOTE battles??






Sakura did fought alone during the chunnin exam, yet she didn't beat them, and instead she recieved some helped from Lee, Team 10, and Sasuke. Mostly in almost every battles, her strategy always failed.




That's why Sakura is useless




Of course not, but for the most part he always able to come up with the most unpredictable mindset of his in almost every opponent he fought so far. He did with Sasuke, Neji, Gaara, Zabuza, Kakuza, Pain, Edo Kages, and especially Kaguya. Yet his non-intelligence is better than her intelligence which shows how much pathetic sakura is.






Still Sakura had no idea what she's doing, she's always bragging herself about useless, so she charged in the frontline hopefully she could accomplish something but always failed. Sakura doesn't utilize in combat render her pointless in intelligence

Thank you for showing me how Neji and SAsuke got more individual battle screen time. But I'm glad you brought in the databook.

Intelligence stats (first 3 databooks):

Shikamaru: 5, 5, 5
Sasuke: 2, 2.5, 3.5
Neji: 2.5, 3,3
Sakura: 3.5, 4, 4

List from most intelligent to least intelligent:

1. Shikamaru
2. Sakura
3. Sasuke
4. Neji

Neji:

Yup, because he was the second smartest in the team. Sakura nor shino were there, soo yea. All he did was tell how Shikamaru came to conclusion, after Shikamaru already told them the answer.


Sasuke:
Sasuke vs Danzo = Won the fight due to obito and karin, Danzo didn't try to go all out because of obito being there.
Sasuke vs Gokage = was a team battle.. just saying, and nothing spectacular regarding strategy was there.
Sasuke vs Deidara = was a good battle.. but mediocre strategy.


Your bias:

Now from what I'm getting you are simply being biased mate. Naruto himself stated Sakura and Kakashi are better in strategies than Naruto or Sasuke.. so there should be no question about that. Furthermore, in the chunin exams there was a question that required an answer regarding battle.. guess who was the only one shown to answer it? Sakura. Not Sasuke, not neji.. Sakura.


All of Naruto's strategies failed against Kaguya, all of Sasuke's strategies failed against Kaguya.. so what? You say Sakura's strategies failed, but hopefully you know battles require MANY strategies.. not just 1. And furthermore, battles are not won simply on strategies. Shikamaru's strategies failed also in the war arc.. Shikaku's Failed also in the war arc.. but so what? They only failed because they didn't have the tools or all the information on their enemy..


Yes part 1 sakura in arc 1 was not good in battle, she didn't have the fully ninja mentality. Why? Because had never fought before.

You ignored her entire strategy against Sasori , why?

You ignored the fact she had less screen time than the people you are comparing her to, so you can't compare her to them by feat and feat, why?


Definitions:

intelligence: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

battle: a fight between people or groups in which each side tries to win a contest or to gain control of something

combat: a fight or contest between individuals or groups


Conclusion:

Sakura is pretty much the second intelligent person in K11, whether you think Sasuke/Neji or whoever your favs are , are smarter than her. Furthermore, no Databook= Manga, stats have no bias they talk about a person's skill and what they possess, they aren't hyperbole like the ones you mentioned for Sasuke from the databook.

Sakura wasn't given enough screent time to show us her combat battle, and when she was given screen time, it was against people she had no chance of defeating. Yet you are trying to judge her like she has... And I'm pretty sure you don't want me to start making Neji look dumber than Naruto.. simply because Naruto has had more "intelligent" moments..

 

[take it easy]

Sakura > Naruto in strategy

Just stop your Sakura wank.

 

[KingHashirama]

Just stop your Sakura wank.

I don't like fans who try to defy their own fav character (In this case that fav character is also my fav character so it just pisses me off more), because they can't handle others being superior to them, please get off of Naruto's D:

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[take it easy]

I don't like fans who try to defy their own fav character (In this case that fav character is also my fav character so it just pisses me off more), because they can't handle others being superior to them, please get off of Naruto's D:

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1. You might be better than me in strategy not equals you better than me

2.Who created strategies against BZ and Kaguya later? It were nor Sasuke, nor Sakura.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. You might be better than me in strategy not equals you better than me

2.Who created strategies against BZ and Kaguya later? It were nor Sasuke, nor Sakura.

1. That was to Sasuke........ Rofl. He was telling sasuke that he might be better than him in stratagies.. which Sasuke is.

2. Nice.. who had the power to take on Kaguya Naruto or Sakura? =]. Shikamaru with that same power would be 10x more dangerous

3. Naruto is not a strategist, please stop trying to make him out to be something his not. His whole character is based on the notion that INSTINCT can beat smarts.

 

[take it easy]

1. That was to Sasuke........ Rofl. He was telling sasuke that he might be better than him in stratagies.. which Sasuke is.

In part 1 / early Shippuden yes... War arc feats says that Naruto=> Sasuke in terms of battle smart.

2. Nice.. who had the power to take on Kaguya Naruto or Sakura? =]. Shikamaru with that same power would be 10x more dangerous

Naruto and Sasuke under Kakashi strategy. XD

3. Naruto is not a strategist, please stop trying to make him out to be something his not. His whole character is based on the notion that INSTINCT can beat smarts.

Re read Iinvasion of pain arc if you really think so.

 

[KingHashirama]

In part 1 / early Shippuden yes... War arc feats says that Naruto=> Sasuke in terms of battle smart.

Naruto and Sasuke under Kakashi strategy. XD

Re read Iinvasion of pain arc if you really think so.

1. Naruto isn't smart in battle...... he relies on instinct.. which is not the same as strategy...?

2. of course cause they'd get trolled on their own strategy =D

3. oh I did, he is smart.. but most of the pain arc was his average smarts , combining with his instincts.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Thank you for showing me how Neji and SAsuke got more individual battle screen time. But I'm glad you brought in the databook.

Intelligence stats (first 3 databooks):

Shikamaru: 5, 5, 5
Sasuke: 2, 2.5, 3.5
Neji: 2.5, 3,3
Sakura: 3.5, 4, 4

List from most intelligent to least intelligent:

1. Shikamaru
2. Sakura
3. Sasuke
4. Neji

Neji:

Yup, because he was the second smartest in the team. Sakura nor shino were there, soo yea. All he did was tell how Shikamaru came to conclusion, after Shikamaru already told them the answer.


Sasuke:
Sasuke vs Danzo = Won the fight due to obito and karin, Danzo didn't try to go all out because of obito being there.
Sasuke vs Gokage = was a team battle.. just saying, and nothing spectacular regarding strategy was there.
Sasuke vs Deidara = was a good battle.. but mediocre strategy.


Your bias:

Now from what I'm getting you are simply being biased mate. Naruto himself stated Sakura and Kakashi are better in strategies than Naruto or Sasuke.. so there should be no question about that. Furthermore, in the chunin exams there was a question that required an answer regarding battle.. guess who was the only one shown to answer it? Sakura. Not Sasuke, not neji.. Sakura.


All of Naruto's strategies failed against Kaguya, all of Sasuke's strategies failed against Kaguya.. so what? You say Sakura's strategies failed, but hopefully you know battles require MANY strategies.. not just 1. And furthermore, battles are not won simply on strategies. Shikamaru's strategies failed also in the war arc.. Shikaku's Failed also in the war arc.. but so what? They only failed because they didn't have the tools or all the information on their enemy..


Yes part 1 sakura in arc 1 was not good in battle, she didn't have the fully ninja mentality. Why? Because had never fought before.

You ignored her entire strategy against Sasori , why?

You ignored the fact she had less screen time than the people you are comparing her to, so you can't compare her to them by feat and feat, why?

Did I ever mention that Naruto&Sasuke strategy failed against Kaguya?? My point is that Naruto had alot of strategy involved in Kaguya fight and there were times when Naruto outsmart her which I've always said that Kaguya disappointed me , but honestly Kakashi plan led the defeat of Kaguya, and you know Kakashi is definitely the second smartest of Konoha, a true remarkable genius.

The difference with how Shikamaru failed is that atleast when things doesn't go according to the plan he falls back to revise his strategy and when he had rematch opponent he always ended up success. Even it doesn't such as the Tayuya fight, it won't matter much because statistically, Shikamaru had won more than loses plus Shikamaru had shown so much feats which all his hard effort almost corned Tayuya by himself.

Same thing with Shikaku, when he doesn't know the information of the enemies, he always thinks and reformulate his strategy, and thanks to him, the Shinobi alliance completely inflitrate the edo squads and Zetsu leading the war to victorious. You might say itachi was the one who stopped it, but I say it won't matter because they're almost completely dominated the war regardless.



Compare that, Sakura had received help from Chiyo which they worked together to reach this end point, but in the end it won't matter because Sasori held back. I'm not ignoring Sakura screen time, because whenever she does in almost every combat, no such feats ever shown.

And yes the reason why Sakura was the only one to answer it on paper test was because she's only book smart . She does not utilized in combat.

Naruto himself in unintelligent, but he always admit that Kakashi or Sakura or anyone else is better than him except Sasuke because he's always jealous. So I'm not buying it if Sakura is smarter than Sasuke.

 

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3. oh I did, he is smart.. but most of the pain arc was his average smarts , combining with his instincts.

Looks like some spacey orange forgot the following:

"- Deva is already handicapped when the fight starts.
- Uses smoke bombs, Rinnegan cannot see. When the opposite happened when Pa used smoke, Rinnegan saw through it.
- Rinnegan could see Chakra in the dark. Hilarious, when it could see the invisible barrier.
- When Nagato makes CT he decided not to make it bigger. Ingrates.
- Naruto goes into Kurama mode at just the right time when his ***** ass lost poorly.
- Ma summoned an entire platoon so that he could enter SM again.
- Once he turns off his raging emo(tional)-Kurama-mode off he is magically already inside SM.
- Once he reverts back, he's hilariously standing outside CT when he was within it.
- Nagato kills himself over Jiraiya's poor fan-fiction. "

All credit goes to shelke

Naruto had intel and PIS without end. The strategies were coming from Kakashi not him. Lol Just wanted to share this Hashi to further strengthen your point because you're absolutely right in this.

 

[take it easy]

1. Naruto isn't smart in battle...... he relies on instinct.. which is not the same as strategy...?
3. oh I did, he is smart.. but most of the pain arc was his average smarts , combining with his instincts.

Naruto isn't that battle smart.. he simply goes off of reflexes and intuition.

Battle smarts come from studying or experience.

1. If Naruto got his battle smart from experience instead of book, it doesn't means that Sakura better than him in battle smart.

2. Should i say again that Naruto has one of the best battle experience in his generation besides Sasuke?

Looks like some spacey orange forgot the following:

"- Deva is already handicapped when the fight starts.
- Uses smoke bombs, Rinnegan cannot see. When the opposite happened when Pa used smoke, Rinnegan saw through it.
- Rinnegan could see Chakra in the dark. Hilarious, when it could see the invisible barrier.
- When Nagato makes CT he decided not to make it bigger. Ingrates.
- Naruto goes into Kurama mode at just the right time when his ***** ass lost poorly.
- Ma summoned an entire platoon so that he could enter SM again.
- Once he turns off his raging emo(tional)-Kurama-mode off he is magically already inside SM.
- Once he reverts back, he's hilariously standing outside CT when he was within it.
- Nagato kills himself over Jiraiya's poor fan-fiction. "

Already answered on that BS from SB member .XD

Naruto had intel and PIS without end. The strategies were coming from Kakashi not him. Lol Just wanted to share this Hashi to further strengthen your point because you're absolutely right in this.

Seriously? What did Kakashi with his clones strategy or strategy against human path? You're Naruto haters/ Sasuke fanboys just hillarious.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. If Naruto got his battle smart from experience instead of book, it doesn't means that Sakura better than him in battle smart.

2. Should i say again that Naruto has one of the best battle experience in his generation besides Sasuke?

1. hmm Sakura has both book and experience smarts.. so yea. Naruto relies on instinct, thats his character.

2. It doesn't matter if hes experienced more battles than Shikamaru.. the point is Shikamaru is still smarter, and just like Shikakmaru... Sakura is still smarter than Naruto.


To claim Naruto is smarter than Sakura, is to go against the character's very core. Its like me claiming bs like Hashirama is smarter than Tobirama.. no. He simply has a better instinct.

Did I ever mention that Naruto&Sasuke strategy failed against Kaguya?? My point is that Naruto had alot of strategy involved in Kaguya fight and there were times when Naruto outsmart her which I've always said that Kaguya disappointed me , but honestly Kakashi plan led the defeat of Kaguya, and you know Kakashi is definitely the second smartest of Konoha, a true remarkable genius.

The difference with how Shikamaru failed is that atleast when things doesn't go according to the plan he falls back to revise his strategy and when he had rematch opponent he always ended up success. Even it doesn't such as the Tayuya fight, it won't matter much because statistically, Shikamaru had won more than loses plus Shikamaru had shown so much feats which all his hard effort almost corned Tayuya by himself.

Same thing with Shikaku, when he doesn't know the information of the enemies, he always thinks and reformulate his strategy, and thanks to him, the Shinobi alliance completely inflitrate the edo squads and Zetsu leading the war to victorious. You might say itachi was the one who stopped it, but I say it won't matter because they're almost completely dominated the war regardless.



Compare that, Sakura had received help from Chiyo which they worked together to reach this end point, but in the end it won't matter because Sasori held back. I'm not ignoring Sakura screen time, because whenever she does in almost every combat, no such feats ever shown.

And yes the reason why Sakura was the only one to answer it on paper test was because she's only book smart . She does not utilized in combat.

Naruto himself in unintelligent, but he always admit that Kakashi or Sakura or anyone else is better than him except Sasuke because he's always jealous. So I'm not buying it if Sakura is smarter than Sasuke.

No I wanted to let you know they failed hard against Kaguya, until Kakashi bailed them out.

SHikamaru lost to temari, to tyayua, only fight he won is against Hidan, which initially was a long battle, where Hidan had previously fought asuma also.. but i won't get into that. So yea, Shikamaru really hasn't won that many battles. Shikaku's strategy failed hard in the war...no he didn't go back and revise it.. and furthermore he was in the HQ, his sole goal was to make strategies.. so yea. He failed also,. Stop trying to make excuses for them. Nope, the Edo Kages basically saved their asses.. Shikaku's strategy failed against Edo Madara, and Juubi.


Yup, why do you forget the help Shikaku recieved from the entire alliance? rofl. The fight was Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori.. so what if her strategies involved teamwork.. thats how battle is done. ALL OF NARUTO'S STRATEGIES INVOLVE TEAMWORK BETWEEN HIM AND KURAMA... and he still fails most of the time.

"Sasori held back", he ain't hold back rofl. The dude was gonna get destroyed whether he let himself get killed or not.


"Book smart".. uh no, that question required EXPERIENCE and studying.. No Naruto never admit Kiba is better than him, he never admit rock lee is better than him, he never admit shino is better than him.. and so on. He only admit Kakashi and Sakura are better than him.


And Naruto > your opinion on if Sakura is intelligent or not.

See its the same process dude.. people are giving you stuff, but instead of accepting it you are making excuses to deny it. Now can I make Neji look like a retard compared to Naruto (even though i know Neji is smarter than Naruto)?

 

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People also seem to forget about how Sakura was the only one to notice the zetsu disguised as Neji and avoided a big trouble with her intelligence. Her haters will always over look her qualities and point out her flaws, even if many other characters have more flaws and committed more mistakes than her.